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post #81 of 393

So I had another discussion with my reluctant husband about cloth diapering last night. One thing he brought up that I haven't heard talked about amongst cloth diaperers is the washing machine turning into a 'bacteria bath'. From everything I've read and talked about with others, I'm certain with the right detergent and wash cycle (cold rinse & spin, full wash on Hot/cold, extra cold rinse & spin) that the diapers and machine will be absolutely clean and free of pee & poop (and thus so will the family clothes).

 

If you cloth diaper and use your own washing machine to wash them, have you found that it's necessary to change filters or run an empty load with special detergent to clean out the washing machine? Has anyone else's husband mentioned using an ultraviolet light to illuminate the bacteria in the machine and our family clothes as proof??

post #82 of 393
If you're going to illuminate your machine and clothes for bacteria, do it before you start washing diapers in it, too. You might be surprised by what you see.

To answer your question, I never had any problems with my top loader. I always wash on hot water and do a prewash, regular wash and extra rinse. My front loader and my clothes got stinky but that, apparently, is an issue with front loaders and not from washing dipes in it. I do have to clean my front loader by running an empty cycle with cleaner once a month. Also, breastfed poo is very different from artificial baby food poo. It won't leave the stains and gunk that artificial bay food poo might.

I keep forgetting to mention two things that can help with that. You can get biodegradable, flushable diaper liners. They catch most of the poo and you just flush it down the toilet. The other thing is a sprayer. It attaches to the water inlet on your toilet. You just spray any solid poo off the dipes and into the toilet before putting the dipes in the diaper pail.

Diaper Liners: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2333113

Diaper sprayer: http://www.jilliansdrawers.com/products/clothdiapers/accessories/minishowerdiapersprayer

Bumgenious Diapersprayer: http://www.clothdiaperoutlet.com/bumgenius_diaper_sprayer.html, looks the same as the other one.
post #83 of 393

MarineWife: thanks for the quick reply! After I posted, I realized I should do some internet searching first. Yes, I do agree that the light should be used prior to us getting cloth diapers. We do have a front-loader, but I've been told that a way to trick the machine to use more water is to put a wet towel in with the load. Although, I have CD friends with front-loaders who don't do this and say everything comes out clean.

 

Some good points my quick research made were that family underwear is equivalent to dirty cloth diapers. Soiled clothes (of pee & poop) have been in the machine, too, when our children were still in disposable diapers. Also, hot water wash kills bacteria, dust mites, etc. I'll have to get that exact temperature number, along with the hot water temperature number from our washing machine's manual to make my point ... only the facts will do with him :-)

post #84 of 393
Thread Starter 

I think it's a good point to bring up the washers.  We have a really old washer and the first thing I thought of when I decided to take the challenge of washing my own (instead of using the magical, beautiful service) was that I needed a new washer.  Turns out, based on my reading, that an old junkie machine is probably fine...if not preferable to some of the newer machines.  Something to keep in mind if anyone is worried about their old machine.  

 

I got an Aristocrat soaker in the mail today (got it second hand off Spot's Corner)  What a nice diaper for it being second hand - it looks untouched!  The wool isn't as super soft as I expected but, still, it is nice and I think worth the $20 I spent on it.  

post #85 of 393

Marinewife is right.  THere are already tons of bacteria in your washer (remind him that his underwear and towels already get washed in there!).  Didn't Matt Lauer - or one of the other germophobe media types - do an "expose report" on the germs lurking in your washing machine that could get on your clothes and make you sick? (insert scary dramatic music here) LOL

 

I used a minishower sprayer and will again.  I tried the liners but mostly they bunched up and I had to spray anyway so I just skipped them.  I only had my FL machine a few months before DD PT'd but never noticed any issues beyond the typical FL stuff (keep door open till dry between loads, do the monthly maintenance with bleach or vinegar).  You can also do things like add vinegar or TTO to the diaper loads for disinfecting - or even a tiny splash (like a tsp) of bleach.  If he's still super worried, keep a spray bottle of diluted vinegar, bleach water, or whatever your family is comfortable using and give the wash tub a quick spritz after diaper loads.  ;)

post #86 of 393
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I have another wool question.  With something like an un-felted Aristocrat - can you stretch the cover over your diaper or does that cause leaking.  I'm looking at this small Aristocrat and I swear if this new baby grows the same as DC this diaper will fit for A LONG time, especially if you can stretch it over a diaper.  Thanks!  

post #87 of 393

LOL! KimMama are you married to an engineer? Because he sounds just like my BiL. My sister is talking to him about HB right now...she has to do the same things. But the good news is once you get them on your side they KNOW it is right and will defend it (CDing or HBing) to the death!

post #88 of 393
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I have another wool question.  With something like an un-felted Aristocrat - can you stretch the cover over your diaper or does that cause leaking.  I'm looking at this small Aristocrat and I swear if this new baby grows the same as DC this diaper will fit for A LONG time, especially if you can stretch it over a diaper.  Thanks!  




 



First, it's a wool soaker (cover), not a diaper, right? A diaper would be made of several layers of cotton or hemp or bamboo or a synthetic absorbent material (my mind just went blank at what that's called). Knit, unfelted wool stretches like crazy.
post #89 of 393
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MW,

 

It's an Aristocrat cover -- I assume unfelted - doesn't look felted to me.  Just like the picture here: http://www.aristocratsbabyproducts.com/diaper_cover.html.  It is super stretchy, which if you can stretch it w/o having to worry about leaks, means that my child can probably wear this one size until potty learning.  My 9 year old can fit it (we make small people).  twins.gif  

 

If i can stretch this thing - it's way, WAY worth the $$ and I'll get a few more.  Maybe even the super expensive Kissaluvs.  

 

Also, I just got out the felted Lana diaper I have and I've got to say I don't like it as much - but maybe it's way more absorbent (seems so).  Perhaps I'll use that at night and use the unfelted knit by day?  

post #90 of 393
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LOL! KimMama are you married to an engineer?


I can see my close engineer friend becoming the biggest CD weenie on the planet!   

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I have another wool question.  With something like an un-felted Aristocrat - can you stretch the cover over your diaper or does that cause leaking.  I'm looking at this small Aristocrat and I swear if this new baby grows the same as DC this diaper will fit for A LONG time, especially if you can stretch it over a diaper.  Thanks!  



You can stretch them a bit, you'll loose a little absorbancy and might have compression wicking if you stretch them too tight.

 

For washing..  I used Dawn to wash my diapers when I had a top loader.  I never had a problem with smell, buildup.. etc.  It was super economical.  I did a hot sanitary cycle in my washing machine once every week or two with bleach.  I tried a bunch of other detergents recommended widely for CDs, but none of them did the job of just plain Dawn.  It only took like 1/4- 1/2 a Tbsp.  Id also put in a downy ball of vinegar and Id use eCover fabric softener sometimes if the hemp started to feel crunchy.  Tide worked well but it was more expensive.  Id use it and some baby oxyclean..  I know lotsa people dont like tide, but my diapers were clean, smelled good and DD never had a rash.

 

I dunno what Ill do now that I have a front loader.  I think I might use my shower head as a sprayer for the poopy diapes since it reaches easy.. and I might do a squirt of bac out on everything. 

 

http://www.pinstripesandpolkadots.com/detergentchoices.htm

post #92 of 393
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MW,



 


Also, I just got out the felted Lana diaper I have and I've got to say I don't like it as much - but maybe it's way more absorbent (seems so).  Perhaps I'll use that at night and use the unfelted knit by day?  




 



Yep, that's what I thought it was. I've never used those but, if they are anything like my knit soakers, they will stretch a lot. I never liked the felted ones as much. I had one, can't remember the brand now. It go stinky and lost it's water-resistance after a while (2 babies so it still did last a long time). No matter how often or how much I lanolized it, it just wouldn't stop leaks anymore.

You have to be careful not to use in "Free" detergents on your dipes. Apparently, there's something in them that will make them lose absorbency. I found out the hard way. I always use Charlie's Soap on my dipes now. I won't use the big brands you can get in the stores anymore.
post #93 of 393

I just googled Angelwing fold and it does look like it would trap more poo than just a trifold.  I have 2 snappi's a friend gave me so that looks like the way to go. 

 

It also looks like Bummis Original is the best cover for preemies (and it is cheap - the Bummis Super Brights are way too expensive for me).  Or maybe the Litewrap.

 

Boy is GMD an awesome website.  I love how they have pictures of different sized babies in different diapers.  Most websites I've been too don't talk much about tiny babies.

post #94 of 393
Thread Starter 

Liora, 

 

From what I've been reading I may have settled on a couple of Proraps for the newborn period.  I think they're like 8 bucks and have the umbilical notch.  They seem to come up on a lot of threads that specifically talk about the newborn period.  

 

ETA: I just looked up the Bummis Original.  Similar price to the Proraps and I think that may have been what I used for DC with the diaper service diapers.  Whatever it was had the mesh lining and I remember being happy with those (though I didn't know there were any other covers back then.  Grodiapers also have the mesh and it seems like a good thing to have in there for some reason.    

 

Anybody care to weigh in on the Bummis Original or Proraps for the newborn stage?  

post #95 of 393

IDC.. about the lana.. they definitely arent the cutest, but I find them soft enough and their plus is that they are bulletproof.  Id recommend them just for overnights.

 

Thirsty extra smalls have the umbilical cord notch too.

post #96 of 393

I've never worried about bacteria in the washing machine. We've never had a problem with illness -- we got sick the same amount and with the same frequency when CDing as before and after (that is to say, hardly at all, and rarely more than a cold).

 

I used a top loader with previous CDing, now we have a FL. My washing routine: I wash one time on cold and vinegar (this cycle is to rinse away the poop), then on hot with Charlie's, vinegar, tea tree oil, then a third wash (on hot if I can still smell poo, otherwise cold), with baking soda and sometimes more TTO. I'll sometimes do an extra rinse, but usually don't need it.

 

Not sure if this has been covered in this thread yet (can't remember seeing it but I don't think I've caught every post). One thing to be careful of is what detergent you use with CDs. Scent and softeners are really bad for the diapers. Before I started using Charlie's I used a free and clear (forget which brand though).

post #97 of 393
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Anybody care to weigh in on the Bummis Original or Proraps for the newborn stage?  


I can't on experience but I do have 2-3 of what I think are prowraps, def newborn size. My mom bought me this little bundle of 2 or 3 wraps and some bamboo inserts from a consignment store.

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Anybody care to weigh in on the Bummis Original or Proraps for the newborn stage?  


I haven't tried them but I wouldn't do Bummis Originals with young babies since they don't have double gussets to keep in the poo.

 

I think proraps have the double gussets, so they should work alright. I've used a coupl proraps all in ones which are basically a proraps cover sewn over the top of a prefold. They did fine but I will say the quality of the cover didn't seem as good as other covers I've owned (thirsties sized V1 and V2 and Bummis Super Brites.) The bad thing with the proraps back when I tried them (2007) was that they didn't have the wash tabs so the velcro kept snagging the edges of the cover and fraying it. The cover looked pretty awful after a while but I still have at least one of the diapers and it still works fine so it'd work but it's not my fave.

 

 

As far as a washing routine. I personally run a cold wash and rinse with baking soda (hard water.) And then a hot wash/cold rinse with naturoli extreme 18x soap nuts liquid soap (LOVE) with a bit of baking soda and sometime free and clear oxiclean. I would not use oxiclean baby as I think it has the baby scent to it just like other baby type washing products. I currently have a front loader. 

 

I think that it was easier to use a top loader with cloth diapers and if I could go back in time I'd have gotten that instead of my samsung wash, but my washer does alright. I was attempting to save money on water costs as they are a bit high where I'm living. Oh well.

 

My wash routine with a top loader was different. I'd simply do a prerinse (but I'd probably change that to a cold wash and cold rinse if I had one again) and then I would use arm and hammer essentials free and clear (loved.) And then I would do an extra rinse at the end. 

 

 

post #99 of 393

My hubby and I are going to CD. We've got some one size BumGenius pocket diapers and a bunch of prefolds and thirsties covers. I think we also have a few fuzzibunz.

I'm really excited, always wanted to use cloth! joy.gif

post #100 of 393
I'm not a fan of Bummies or Proraps covers but I'm not a fan of PUL so take my opinion FWIW. If I remember correctly from 5-6 years ago. the Bummis covers I had allowed urine to soak through. I didn't have the greatest diapers at that point, though, (Motherease one-size) so that may have been the issue.
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