any adults 30s and older who have had no vaccinations at all? - Page 2

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by RoseV 

Just to claify that the risk of catching Polio from the vaccine ( as I understand it) is that it is only from the live vaccine drops (ie the OPV and not the IPV) and the risk is to third party contacts like mothers and grandparents when they change nappies as the live virus is excreted from the body of the infant for about 30 days.  So you must always take extra care and wash hands well when changing the nappies of a baby recently vaccinated with the OPV vaccine.

And yes, as I understand it you are right that most cases of polio in the last 30 years or so have been tramsmitted through this route.

Also to note that most cases of polio are no worse than a bad cold and do not lead to paralysis in any way.

They also changed the deffinition of polio when they brought in the vaccine.

BEFORE the vaccine polio was diagnosed as having some form of paralysis in two examinations at least 24 hours apart.

AFTER the vaccine was introduced in 1955 the diagnosis of polio required some form of continuing paralysis 50 - 70 DAYS after the onset.

No wonder the number of cases of polio dropped. 

Nowadays people who would previously have been diagnosed with polio are now diagnosed with Viral or aseptic meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chronic Fatigue syndrome (CFS), Myalgic Encephalitis (ME) or a host of similar afflictions.

Hasn't the oral polio vaccine (OPV) been eradicated from the U.S. years ago, or are they still using it here?

[kiah]

I was never vax'd - I'm 28.

My sisters are 31, 26 and 24 and are all unvaxed too.

We have had measles, rubella and chickenpox.

All fine, healthy and happy!)

[Calm]

Originally Posted by RoseV 

Just to claify that the risk of catching Polio from the vaccine ( as I understand it) is that it is only from the live vaccine drops (ie the OPV and not the IPV) and the risk is to third party contacts like mothers and grandparents when they change nappies as the live virus is excreted from the body of the infant for about 30 days.  So you must always take extra care and wash hands well when changing the nappies of a baby recently vaccinated with the OPV vaccine.

And yes, as I understand it you are right that most cases of polio in the last 30 years or so have been tramsmitted through this route.

Also to note that most cases of polio are no worse than a bad cold and do not lead to paralysis in any way.

They also changed the deffinition of polio when they brought in the vaccine.

BEFORE the vaccine polio was diagnosed as having some form of paralysis in two examinations at least 24 hours apart.

AFTER the vaccine was introduced in 1955 the diagnosis of polio required some form of continuing paralysis 50 - 70 DAYS after the onset.

No wonder the number of cases of polio dropped. 

Nowadays people who would previously have been diagnosed with polio are now diagnosed with Viral or aseptic meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chronic Fatigue syndrome (CFS), Myalgic Encephalitis (ME) or a host of similar afflictions.

Good points.  

The oral vaccine is not used in the US generally anymore, and was the source of the polio when it was.  It is still used in other countries.  However, the person vaccinated got polio, as well as third parties:

"Very rarely (there have been 2 cases in Australia in the past 13 years) the vaccine can cause a form of paralytic polio in the person receiving it – vaccine associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP)."

Where I am, In Australia

The person who received the OPV or those who are in close contact with him may get infected. 

. In very few cases, OPV can cause actual infection to the patient. 

drugs.com

"A mutation of the vaccine virus known as a reversion causes previously attenuated poliovirus to revert to a more neurovirulent form.The paralysis that results is identical to that caused by wild virus, and is usually permanent."

Vaccine associated paralytic poliomyelitis

"Most VAPP cases occurred in OPV recipients rather than among their contacts."

CDC

As you point out, people are still paralysed by the vaccine, the IPV (injected form).  And really paralysis by any other name is still paralysis, caused by the vaccine itself.  

Adverse events are statistically at a level of reporting between 1 and 10% of cases.  The overwhelming majority of adverse events from vaccines are not reported by patients OR doctors.   When you read the reports at VAERS, keep in mind the reality is adverse events number ten to 100 times more than those reported.  For instance, from 2009, there were 9 reports of paralysis and disability from the IPV, so that number is more like 90 to 900.  There was one death reported already this year.  You can search this data base for such statistics... but bare in mind this gap in reporting.  

[Racecarma]

Hi - I'm an older mom of a 6 and 2 year old.  I was not vaccinated as a child and neither were my brother, sister, etc.  There were very few vaccines back then and for some crazy reason, our doctor told my mom we did not need the polio shot because at the time, I guess they thought her immunity was passed on to us.  My mom had polio -she is in her 70s now.  She was sick but got over it without any serious complications.   We all got the childhood illnesses (Mumps, measles, German Measles (Rubella), Scarlet Fever (Strep A), Chicken Pox, Influenza, Pneumonia you name it) and never heard of anyone dying of these illnesses.

At 31, I had a routine tetanus shot that I had a severe reaction to.  I have had many chronic auto-immune issues since I received this vaccine which I wish I never had now.  Amazing how the childhood illnesses did not phase me but the vaccine nearly did me in!  About this time, my brother was vaccinated for a trip to India.  He became so terribly ill he was forced to cancel his trip.

We do not vaccinate our children.  My older sister did not vaccinate her four children (this was prior to my vaccine injury) and I thought she was a bad parent.  I have since apologized for that error because she had done her investigation and I had not had my experience yet.  Her children are now mostly grown and none have had any problems.  They were sick here and there but all were healthy and had no issues.  Her eldest has her own babies now and she also does not vaccinate.  

[Wkdgrneyes]

Wow! Im shocked to hear that so many unvax'd people near my age got the measles & rubella. Im 33 years old and got all the vax's at the time in childhood...only then it was DPT, OPV, and MMR. That is all I got. I have never met anyone born in the 70's or 80's personally who ever got the measles. I always thought measles were more of a thing of my parent's generation...(they were born in the 50's). I did get the chicken pox but most kids did anyways. I wonder if the measles are making a come back due to lack of vaccinating? My daughter won't be getting the MMR though, where we live i've never heard of a measles outbreak or a WC outbreak. Maybe it's the location, I don't know.

[Calm]

Originally Posted by Wkdgrneyes 

Wow! Im shocked to hear that so many unvax'd people near my age got the measles & rubella. Im 33 years old and got all the vax's at the time in childhood...only then it was DPT, OPV, and MMR. That is all I got. I have never met anyone born in the 70's or 80's personally who ever got the measles. I always thought measles were more of a thing of my parent's generation...(they were born in the 50's). I did get the chicken pox but most kids did anyways. I wonder if the measles are making a come back due to lack of vaccinating? My daughter won't be getting the MMR though, where we live i've never heard of a measles outbreak or a WC outbreak. Maybe it's the location, I don't know.

Lack of vaccinating?  Record high rates of vaccination are in the United States these days, with less than 1% of kids not getting some kind of vaccination.  Record high rates for measles specifically.  

It makes little sense to me why they attribute recent measles outbreaks to a gap in vaccination rates when they are at a record high.  Wouldn't record high rates of vax correlating with measles outbreaks lead us to the opposite conclusion??

[stephaniemz]

I think the numbers of people who don't vaccinate is actually higher than "less than 1%" - a lot of these statistics are self-reports and I assume that many people who choose the non-vaccination route are often silent or do not share. 

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 6/8/12 at 8:54am

[Calm]

These are Australia's official statistics and it sits at 91% fully vaxed.  But that is fully vaxed, up to date for age.  The article above includes any injection of a vax at all.  A fully unvaxed kid is extremely rare.  1% rare?  Probably not.  But it wouldn't be too far from the truth.

[Vermillion]

I don't completely fit your requirements here, but I thought I'd respond anyway since you mentioned polio... When I was a baby, I was given the oral polio, and promptly spit it out. All of of it. So the doctor tried again with a second dose. I spit it all again, and my parent's never did bring me back to get it again! So I guess I am not protected! Beyond that, I have had a very small amount of vaccines, and NOTHING after the first couple of shots. My parents were pretty broke and didn't take me to all of my baby checkups, and for that, I am pretty thankful! BTW, I am 27...

[lovbeingamommy]

Unfortunately, I was vaxed as a baby in the mid 60's.  However, many of my friend's kids (age ranges 13-30) have not been vaxed at all.  All are children of chiropractors - most chiros I know don't vax - these kids are very healthy and have had chicken pox.   

[JulianneW]

Well we are not quite 30 but my siblings and I, 25, 23, 21 and 17 have never had any vaccinations. Yes, I have been to Africa

The only thing we have had is chicken pox. Personally chicken pox was a blast, I have very fond memories of playing with my sister till the wee hours of the night. (Okay it was probably 9 o clock but we thought it was late)

[han33]

Hiya, 

I know its a little late! But for any recent readers.. im 33 and never had a vaccine in my life! Neither has my brother or sister. We are all really well. When I speak to my dad and mention if any kids are ill he doesnt understand it. " you kids were never ill, kids shouldnt be ill whats happening" I have never given my 3 kids injections except a pre-school booster to my two eldest when i had a guilty feeling i was being a bad parent. My second child did have a reaction 6 months later which the doctor ignored. She was emotional and not well and her arm had REALLY swollen were the injection had been it even had the needle prick. It was like she just had it a couple hours before. So that was the first and last of that. Dont trust them.

I do believe in a good diet - normall diet of meat veg fruit and puddings, ice cream etc. I love honey and malt extract. I try to leave out (although will allow once in a while, not weekly) crisps, sweets - but like chocolate! dilute juice and ready made meals with all that stuff added. 

Eat well, be happy and get fresh air and exercise.

All the best Han x

[member234098]

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Edited by member234098 - 6/7/12 at 8:20am

[Racecarma]

Originally Posted by lovbeingamommy 

Unfortunately, I was vaxed as a baby in the mid 60's.  However, many of my friend's kids (age ranges 13-30) have not been vaxed at all.  All are children of chiropractors - most chiros I know don't vax - these kids are very healthy and have had chicken pox.   

I was born in mid-60s but the vaccinations available then were nothing like the volume they are supposed to get now.  The only ones they offered to us at the time were smallpox and polio.  I received neither one. My mom had polio and my doctor told her I should not need it because I should inherit her immunity.  His theory was flawed but nevertheless, thankfully, I did not get it.  That was the shot, as you know, that contained simean virus 40 SV-40, the cancer causing monkey virus.  We had all the regular illnesses like rubella (German Measles), chicken pox, measles, flu, scarlet fever (Strep A) etc. and survived just fine.

[ILoveMyBabyBird]

i was vaxed for everything at the time, but i got chicken pox- before the vax came out, i am 28. dh is 32 and from india and was never vaxed until he applied for a green card to usa, and he survived just fine in india until he came to the usa at 21, he was vaxed at 26 with Dt for sure will see what else, naking atm

[Sunflower223]

I had whatever the vaccines were when I was a kid, just like I had hordes of antibiotics.  However, I was born in a time when vaccinations were still limited.  I had chicken pox, measles, rubella, and whooping cough as a child, like most people I know.  I never knew anyone who died from any of those things.  I actually had the MMR shot in elementary school when they started mandating it for school, in spite of the fact that I had already had the diseases.  I still remember how bad it hurt.

[MountainMamaGC]

My mom, her 5 siblings, my dad, and his 7 siblings, only received small pox vaccines. They have all had measles, mumps, chicken pox, rubella, and my mom and her siblings even had TB and all lived.

[tillymonster]

Not vaxed either and I'm 31. I've never had anything other than chicken pox, but that's standard for an 80s kid. I did want to note however that my sis got GBS when she was about 6 and almost died. It is a miracle she came out of it unscathed. She has no issues with her legs. We are pretty sure she was never vaxed but I remember hearing from my mom that she had to give sis a vax to be allowed in school, or some nonsense. We are all still wondering if the vax "caused" GBS (she would have to already be predisposed so caused is the wrong word). I'm not vaxing until 2 and maybe not even then until I know more.

[Racecarma]

Originally Posted by tillymonster 

Not vaxed either and I'm 31. I've never had anything other than chicken pox, but that's standard for an 80s kid. I did want to note however that my sis got GBS when she was about 6 and almost died. It is a miracle she came out of it unscathed. She has no issues with her legs. We are pretty sure she was never vaxed but I remember hearing from my mom that she had to give sis a vax to be allowed in school, or some nonsense. We are all still wondering if the vax "caused" GBS (she would have to already be predisposed so caused is the wrong word). I'm not vaxing until 2 and maybe not even then until I know more.

I wonder about your sister and the timing of her vaccination.  I recall that in there were large numbers of people getting GBS from the first swine flu vaccine in the late 70s.  GBS is most certainly caused by a reaction to something and my guess would be the vax.  I had a vaccine reaction, 105 F fever and vaccine induced encephalitis at age 31 from a tetanus vax.  The pain in my brain and my body was indescribably excrutiating. Up until that time, I had no vaccines and survived childhood illnesses fine.  Now I have problems with auto-immune issues and struggle to remain as healthy as I should be.  No doubt in my mind caused by the vaccine.  Had a been an infant getting a shot with an immature immune system and brain, I am sure my reaction would have been catastrophic and I would probably even have died and been labled a victim of SIDS.