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post #41 of 60

Do you know for sure that the Tdap Personal Beliefs Exemption form is blue? I haven't seen the original form, and I haven't read anywhere else that it is blue.
 

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Originally Posted by Bayareamom 
The blue waiver philosophical exemption form regarding this new Tdap booster mandate has been mailed to all California school districts by the California Department of Public Health (CDPH). 


 

post #42 of 60

Yes, I do know for sure because my family's already signed it.  It was mailed to us by our son's school (Dougherty Valley High School/San Ramon, CA).  You cannot download this form off the Internet.  Parents need only ask their school district personnel for the form.

post #43 of 60

If you check out my posts on Facebook, under my original name, you'll see where I have pointed out that this new waiver form is a blue waiver form, which states clearly at the top of the page "Philosophical Exemption Form" in big bold letters.

post #44 of 60

The reason you've not seen this form mentioned by the CDPH (specifically that it's a blue form with the lettering "philosophical exemption form" at the top) is because they simply do not want to bring any more attention to the issues with waivers than they feel they are obligated to (and they are not obligated by statute to do so).  They DO have to mention that waivers are still applicable to the Tdap mandate, but as far as advertising the fact that the waiver is a blue form, etc., they're not about to do that.  That's why I've been so diligent in ensuring the info. about the waiver form is given, in any venue I can. 

post #45 of 60

Thanks for spreading the information, Bayareamom. I know that 95% of the schools and media stories are not informing people about the exemption, so it's up to concerned citizens.

 

Just to avoid confusion, doesn't the form say "Personal Beliefs Exemption" on top? This is where I saw the form. http://www.sdiz.org/documents/Sch-CC/AB_354_Webinar_12-8-10.pdf  It's a little past halfway down the webpage.

post #46 of 60


Did you have to inform them of the law to get them to mail it to you? I'm wondering because the instructions to school staff specifically say not to send the form home, and that it has to be signed in the presence of a school staff member, but of course that's nowhere stated in the actual law. http://eziz.org/PDF/IMM-1038_PBEforminstructions.pdf

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Originally Posted by Bayareamom View Post

Yes, I do know for sure because my family's already signed it.  It was mailed to us by our son's school (Dougherty Valley High School/San Ramon, CA).  You cannot download this form off the Internet.  Parents need only ask their school district personnel for the form.



 

post #47 of 60

The blue waiver forms are technically not supposed to be mailed/sent off campus, but our school district disagrees and sends them via mail to those who ask.  I am not stating that's what all schools should do, but ours does. 

 

A caveat:  And this is coming from the Director of the CDPH Immunization Branch herself - Sandra Jo Hammer, R.N.  There is no authority written into the regs re: the statute which requires a parent to have to sign off on his/her exemption form in front of any school official, and that includes nursing staff as well

 

This creates an unnecessarily adversarial process, which was never intended by the CDPH. 

 

Here is what just happened recently: 

 

A District RN tried to tell a parent that she needed to seek advisement from her physician, prior to receiving her waiver.  When I informed Sandra of this, she promptly called this nurse.  When she inquired as to what reason this nurse was using in informing this parent this information, the nurse admitted it was her own 'bias.'  Sandra Jo promptly informed her she was NOT to misinform parents and told her it was this parent's right to use her exemption and that this process was not meant to be intimidating or adversarial in nature. 

 

Not only did Sandra Jo call this nurse, she then called the local public  health department and another agency after that, informing them of the proper procedures should a parent ask for the waiver form.  She really went the long distance to ensure parents' rights to the use of these exemptions, are upheld.

 

Remember, there is nothing within the regulatory provisions contained within the statute which requires school district officials to inform parents of these waiversHowever, if a parent knows to ask for their right to an exemption and asks for their waiver (or in turn knows they can simply write a letter, stating they are philosophically opposed to vaccinations, including the new Tdap mandate), then that school official MUST provide the waiver information.

 

The use of our state's right to exemptions was never, ever meant to be an adversarial situation.  It never has been for us.  It absolutely breaks my heart when I have a parent contact me and tell me they've been given the run around when trying to use their exemptions. 

 

The CDPH has put me on notice that, should any parent call me up with a valid complaint about a school official trying to make it difficult for them to use their exemption, I am to contact the CDPH and they will promptly contact the offending school district official.

 

 

 

 

post #48 of 60

Yes, the new blue waiver form re: the Tdap mandate, does say at the top, "Personal Beliefs Exemption."  It also states underneath that, "Pertussis (Whooping Cough) Booster Immunization (Tdap) Requirement."  It's a blue form (paper, not card).  Eventually, a new waiver form/card will be drawn up, including the language regarding the new Tdap mandate for this new age group.  Again, this new state form was mailed out because the language for this new Tdap, because it is a new mandate, was not included on the older form. 

 

However, should parents not want to use the state form when using their waiver, they don't have to!  They can opt to write their own letter, stating they are philosophically opposed to vaccinations (as well as to the new Tdap mandate), and send it in.  It does not need to be notarized and does not need to be signed in front of any school district official, including any on the nursing staff. 

 

I was going by memory when I wrote the above post re: the language on the new form, but later on found the copy of our son's form and should have corrected the information about that later on.

 

Apologies about that.

 

--Kim

post #49 of 60

I just asked at our school district's office for the form and I was told that there is no form and no exception, everybody has to get vaccinated. Unbelievable!

Why can't the form be available on-line to download like so many other forms? 

post #50 of 60

Your school district is either lying or very misinformed. Here are the instructions that they received months ago. http://eziz.org/PDF/IMM-1038_PBEforminstructions.pdf

You can also contact Bayareamom (she posted above) for help, either by PM or email kim_m_ii@yahoo.com She provided that email in a previous post.

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Originally Posted by Birte Reimer View Post

I just asked at our school district's office for the form and I was told that there is no form and no exception, everybody has to get vaccinated. Unbelievable!

Why can't the form be available on-line to download like so many other forms? 



 

post #51 of 60

Birte Reimer,

 

I will need the name of your school district and any phone numbers/contact information you can give me, immediately.  Please feel free to either pm me privately here at the forum, or contact me via the email address Ma2Two has provided.

 

Thanks,

 

Kim

post #52 of 60

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Edited by member234098 - 6/6/12 at 5:30pm
post #53 of 60


The 7-12th grade Tdap vaccine requirement is a new CA law that goes into effect July 1, 2011. Fortunately, California law regarding personal beliefs exemptions also applies to this new vaccine requirement.

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Originally Posted by miriam View Post

If you look closely at the blue form, it does not even appear that that P or aP portion is required.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/forms/CtrldForms/pm286b.pdf



 

post #54 of 60

Miriam,

 

With reference to the following itemization on the blue waiver form:  DTP/DTaP/DT/Td    [acellular] pertussis OR
tetanus and diphtheria only):

 

I'm not sure why this is listed in this manner - I'd have to ask Sandra Jo Hammer with the CDPH about this, but this info. is from the original blue waiver form and has nothing to do with the new pertussis booster mandate.  The P in Tdap IS a new requirement for all 7th thru 12th graders.  So CA parents need to be aware of this and understand their right to exemption if they elect to opt out of this particular mandate.

post #55 of 60

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Originally Posted by Bayareamom View Post

Miriam,

 

With reference to the following itemization on the blue waiver form:  DTP/DTaP/DT/Td    [acellular] pertussis OR
tetanus and diphtheria only):

 

I'm not sure why this is listed in this manner - I'd have to ask Sandra Jo Hammer with the CDPH about this


Here, http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/IMM-231.pdf it says that age 6 and under, pertussis is required, but age 7 and older, pertussis is not required. That is because there is no pertussis vaccine licensed for children ages 7, 8, or 9 years old. This form is from 2008.

 

Most kids entering 7th grade will be 11 or 12 years old, and the Boostrix Tdap vaccine is licensed starting at age 10. Adacel starts at age 11.

post #56 of 60

Try speaking in his right ear as it is the ear that is received by the left brain and is processed better. Further, try approaching him in a question like manner making him feel as if you are not talking at him or down to him. He has to believe that he is the one that either came up with the idea/information and that you seek/value his brilliance/opinion so to speak. Sorry, but that's just the way we (many) men are programed. Especially, those with an old fashioned up bringing. And, still believing in those teachings (women are of the lesser sex and are not necessarily to be heard).

 

I apologize again for imposing on you ladies. As a concerned dad, I have been performing some research of my own on the TDAP "requirement". I stumbled onto this forum and confirmed a lot. Thank you!

 

The awesome thing is... all of you are correct in the numerous ways in which your child may be exempt.

 

GOD BLESS YOU!

 

Andre

post #57 of 60
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Originally Posted by momofboys2 View Post

Thank you for this information about outbreaks.  This is very helpful knowledge.  I thought it was probably the county and that outbreaks would be dictated from the county health department--which would be worrisome, especially after what I'd just experienced in talking with them by phone.   This is a whole lot better.

 

My husband--he's not open.  He even goes and gets the flu shot for himself.  I've told him "no more vaccines" regarding the boys and he's said OK to pacify me, but if he knew it was a school requirement I'm sure it would be a different story.  They haven't been to the pediatrician for visits for years-since I stopped vaxing-as I know new ones are always being pushed there and my husband is the one who takes them.  I was reading on learning disabilities boards for years because of my sons' problems. Eventually I found books recommended regarding vaccine damage.  If my son hadn't had all his problems I would probably still be in the dark and think they're just fine.  Vax damage in my children (especially my youngest) is what took me on a path to becoming knowledgeable.

 

My husband treats me condescendingly.  He doesn't value what I say.  He will go along with things sometimes to pacify me, but he doesn't value knowledge I might have.  He kind of shuts his ears to me in anything like that. 

 

 



 

Try speaking in his right ear as it is the ear that is received by the left brain and is processed better. Further, try approaching him in a question like manner making him feel as if you are not talking at him or down to him. He has to believe that he is the one that either came up with the idea/information and that you seek/value his brilliance/opinion so to speak. Sorry, but that's just the way we (many) men are programed. Especially, those with an old fashioned up bringing. And, still believing in those teachings (women are of the lesser sex and are not necessarily to be heard).

 

I apologize again for imposing on you ladies. As a concerned dad, I have been performing some research of my own on the TDAP "requirement". I stumbled onto this forum and confirmed a lot. Thank you!

 

The awesome thing is... all of you are correct in the numerous ways in which your child may be exempt.

 

GOD BLESS YOU!

 

Andre

post #58 of 60

Andre, you are not imposing at all!

Thank you for the advice too!

post #59 of 60
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Edited by member234098 - 5/31/12 at 5:33pm
post #60 of 60

They should have an exemption form available at the district office. Ask for form CDPH 8261.

 

I have registered my kids in 3 different California cities and in the first two I got the exemption forms at the district office and the district nurse had to sign off (Riverside County) and at this last school they took an exemption form I printed off the internet (Orange County) without even batting an eye.

 

 

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