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post #221 of 296

Lioness: Thinking about your family and hoping things are turning a corner!

We say grace, but not a specifically pagan one. We sing this to the tune of "Are You Sleeping?"

We are thankful

We are thankful

For our food

For our food

And our many blessings

And our many blessings

Amen

Amen

 

I just got Pagan Prayer Beads from the library, inspired by this discussion. I'm hoping to delve into it once I finish my garden research. I need to get my seeds started, and I still don't know what I'm gonna grow! I'm thinking about using the sprouting seeds as the basis of my altar for the equinox. We'll see...

post #222 of 296

I have been following the prayers discussion as well. While I pray/send energy/meditate for me, my friends, family, world concerns etc, I haven't really taught the girls to pray. I have taught them to light candles (battery operated ones) for people we are concerned about, so I guess that is a kind of prayer. I never felt comfortable with prayer as a child, so as an adult I have found peace in prayer but some of the leftover childhood feelings are there, so I guess I feel weird teaching them.

 This thread has really got me thinking though, and i will discuss it with dh and see what he feels- he isn't a praying type, according to him.

 

post #223 of 296
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Originally Posted by sweetsunshine85 View PostThere are 15 Mysteries, 3 sets of 5, 5 Joyful, 5 Sorrowful and 5 Glorious. There are 10 Hail Mary's between Our Father's and Glory Be's. So its Our Father, 10 Hail Mary, Glory Be, etc.... There are also prayers at the beginning and end of it. I used to be Catholic and we prayed the Rosary every day in Latin and English! So if I can be of any help....

 


Good gracious, now I'm really confused!

OK, here, I guess is what I want to know.

What prayers to say, in what order, and how many of each, and...hmm.

I'm looking at my rosary right now. It has... well, it has a Brigit's cross where the Jesus should be lol.gif

 

But it has:

The Brigit's cross, then:

1 bead, space, 3 beads, space,1 bead.

Then the thing that has the Knock water in it. A medal of sorts.

Then the circle part of the rosary.

THAT has:

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads.

 

So what do I say, and when? I want to do this pretty well exactly right before I go experimenting. So as to get the cadence down, I guess. I can learn either Catholic prayers or Pagan ones, or both, but I am giving myself till Easter to get it right. I'm pretty sure Easter is the end of April sometime. I would like to start soon smile.gif

 

Is that more specific? Does that help?

So, if you can write down, just like I did with "X beads, space, X beads", for instance,

1 Hail Mary, X whatevers, X other prayer...get the picture? Then I can look up the words to the prayers on my own. I just need to have a "map", as it were, of which ones to say for each bead. Or set of beads. Clear as mud, I know...sigh. Thanks, if that makes any sense!

 



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Originally Posted by revolting View PostI just got Pagan Prayer Beads from the library, inspired by this discussion. I'm hoping to delve into it once I finish my garden research. I need to get my seeds started, and I still don't know what I'm gonna grow! I'm thinking about using the sprouting seeds as the basis of my altar for the equinox. We'll see...


Oh, I like your grace! We have lots of meal blessings. I know they are probably archived on this forum somewhere! We don't have that book at our library greensad.gif I want the one that's, I think it's A Book of Pagan Prayer. It's like a daily reader, a page for each day. It's expensive, though, even on half.com! But I got a groupon for B&N and I'm going to see if they have it there.

 



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Originally Posted by Aeress View Post This thread has really got me thinking though, and i will discuss it with dh and see what he feels- he isn't a praying type, according to him.


I don't know why this reminded me, but one of my favorite bumper stickers is the one that says "As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school" lol.gif

 

Hey Clay! How you doin, mama? Thinking aboutcha.

post #224 of 296

Hi all!

 

Busy, busy! but thinking about my pagan friends! flowersforyou.gif

 

 

I'm reading a book right now, Anna, the Voice of the Magdalenes by Claire Heartsong (the first book is Anna, Grandmother of Jesus). This is NOT the usual Christian story! Initiations in Egyptian temples, Isis Mysteries, Tantra, Avalon... I love it! Sheepish.gif

 

 

post #225 of 296

I guarantee I am not the most experienced Rosary sayer on this thread, but here is my understanding of how it works:
 

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Originally Posted by Maiasaura View Post

I'm looking at my rosary right now. It has... well, it has a Brigit's cross where the Jesus should be lol.gif

 

But it has:

The Brigit's cross, then:  --say the Apostle's Creed at the crucifix

1 bead, space, 3 beads, space,1 bead.   -- Our Father at the 1 bead, 3 Hail Marys, then a Glory Be at the one bead

Then the thing that has the Knock water in it. A medal of sorts.  -- dedicate the first decade of the rosary to whatever your intention is, or say the First Mystery of the day aloud.  Then Our Father

Then the circle part of the rosary.  

THAT has:

10 beads, space, 1 bead  10 Hail Marys, then at the one bead say a Glory Be, the Fatima Prayer (optional, as I understand it )  name the next Mystery or intention, then Our Father

10 beads, space, 1 bead  Same as above

10 beads, space, 1 bead  Same as above

10 beads, space, 1 bead Same as above

10 beads.    10 Hail Marys and  I would add the Glory Be and Fatima Prayer to finish  the decade

 

At the medal again, say the Hail Holy Queen, and you are done.

 

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Originally Posted by Valerie.Qc View Post

Busy, busy! but thinking about my pagan friends! flowersforyou.gif

 

 

I'm reading a book right now, Anna, the Voice of the Magdalenes by Claire Heartsong (the first book is Anna, Grandmother of Jesus). This is NOT the usual Christian story! Initiations in Egyptian temples, Isis Mysteries, Tantra, Avalon... I love it! Sheepish.gif

 

 

 

Hey, Valerie! I love those!  I went on a Magdalen spree a few months ago after you mentioned listening to one of the McGowan books on cd?
 

 



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Originally Posted by Aeress View Post

I have been following the prayers discussion as well. While I pray/send energy/meditate for me, my friends, family, world concerns etc, I haven't really taught the girls to pray. I have taught them to light candles (battery operated ones) for people we are concerned about, so I guess that is a kind of prayer. I never felt comfortable with prayer as a child, so as an adult I have found peace in prayer but some of the leftover childhood feelings are there, so I guess I feel weird teaching them.

 This thread has really got me thinking though, and i will discuss it with dh and see what he feels- he isn't a praying type, according to him.

 


I would love to chat some more about this, but am going to post first and then come back

 and edit because I already lost a post today.

post #226 of 296
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Originally Posted by Maiasaura View Post

Fake it till you make it,  

 

 

my therapist tells me this all the time. after awhile it becomes your new habit and and you are no longer faking it.

 

we all seem a little better here. DH has his intake appt tomorrow afternoon. i still cant believe he dumped out all of his beer. i am still kinda in shock.

 

so yesterday i made sure to go to the Y for my class. DD2 actually cooperated and stayed in day care for the whole time. so now my shoulders hurt. i didnt have an excuse to ge3t out of it lol. but i felt real good last night when i got home. i took a shower and sat in the sauna before class too. it was awesome. then i helped DS make brownies for his spanish class. he had to make a video of him doing it, in spanish. so i got to connect with him and we laughed. today i am paying the price for all those down dog to crocodile moves. my shoulders and between my shoulder blades are on fire. which is too bad cause those are the muscles i need to do dishes and fold laundry. i made myself do it. but i had to (out loud) keep telling myself not to stop till it was done. lol. it is all worth it. i just keep feeling physically better every day. now my pants are falling down and my rings are falling off. i need to go get it resized really. and maybe buy some more pants. haha. tomorrow i want to go to the zumba class. it is latin dance and an exercise class. it looks so fun. just trying to busy myself. get busy living instead of busy dying.

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Originally Posted by Maiasaura View Post




Good gracious, now I'm really confused!

OK, here, I guess is what I want to know.

What prayers to say, in what order, and how many of each, and...hmm.

I'm looking at my rosary right now. It has... well, it has a Brigit's cross where the Jesus should be lol.gif

 

But it has:

The Brigit's cross, then:

1 bead, space, 3 beads, space,1 bead.

Then the thing that has the Knock water in it. A medal of sorts.

Then the circle part of the rosary.

THAT has:

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads.

 

So what do I say, and when? I want to do this pretty well exactly right before I go experimenting. So as to get the cadence down, I guess. I can learn either Catholic prayers or Pagan ones, or both, but I am giving myself till Easter to get it right. I'm pretty sure Easter is the end of April sometime. I would like to start soon smile.gif

 

Is that more specific? Does that help?

So, if you can write down, just like I did with "X beads, space, X beads", for instance,

1 Hail Mary, X whatevers, X other prayer...get the picture? Then I can look up the words to the prayers on my own. I just need to have a "map", as it were, of which ones to say for each bead. Or set of beads. Clear as mud, I know...sigh. Thanks, if that makes any sense!

 



Ok, so on the cross, Catholics make the Sign of the Cross, then say the Creed (a basic statement of beliefs), Then, first bead,~Our Father, space, next 3 beads~One hail mary each, space, Glory Be. Centerpiece acts as first bead for first decade. So you think about the mystery, then say Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, space, On the bead in between the groups of ten you end the decade with a Glory Be, then start the next on that same bead with another Our Father. Then repeat, 10 Hail Marys, Glory Be, Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, Glory Be, etc... When you get back to the center, after the Glory Be, is the Hail Holy Queen, a prayer praising Mary. Then you can either start a new set of mysteries or end with the Sign of the Cross again. Is that more helpful?


 

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post #229 of 296

Maia, if memory serves, Easter Sunday is the first Sunday after the full moon that happens on or after Spring Equinox.  and if the full moon happens on a Sunday (like this year), Easter Sunday is the following sunday.  So, Easter Sunday can only happen between March 22 and April 26.

 

it's cold here today.  brrr.  hope everyone is having a great week.

 

if you're looking for some lovelies...  check out this piece: http://www.thespiritedwoman.com/go_blog_blog_blog/2011/02/to-find-the-way-through-enter-the-heart.html

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Originally Posted by LionessMom View Post

my therapist tells me this all the time. after awhile it becomes your new habit and and you are no longer faking it.

 

 

"thoughts become things"... 

 

it's actually sort of the same concept as FEs...... change the energy pattern, and send energy along the new pattern, and that new pattern becomes habit. (tapping, too. ;-)

 

actually, the rosary would be a great way to do this, as well.....

 

 

thinking of everyone, hope all are well and somewhat warm!

post #231 of 296

LOL  I think SweetSunshine hit it, but in case I can add anything...

 

Quote:
The Brigit's cross, then:

1 bead, space, 3 beads, space,1 bead.

Then the thing that has the Knock water in it. A medal of sorts.

Then the circle part of the rosary.

THAT has:

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads, space, 1 bead

10 beads. 

 

It might be easier to think of the rosary beads as a visualization/counting aid.  There are a lot of prayers and a lot of repetition and without that visual guide it can get hairy trying to remember where you are.  And since there are specific spiritual benefits to specific rosary practices, it's important to be able to keep track of your progress towards certain goals.

 

Anyway...

 

The sets of ten beads are called "decades".  There are five decades on your standard rosary.  There are three sets of mysteries containing "five mysteries each".  Which works out to One Specific Mystery Per Decade.  So really all you need to do is decide which set of mysteries you want to use (Joyful, Sorrowful, or Glorious) and then invoke the first element of that mystery set as you hold the first bead in the first decade. 

 

So if you choose "Joyful Mysteries" you'd invoke "Annunciation" as your fingers reached that first bead in the first set of ten.  You'd say a Hail Mary as you hold the bead.  You'd then move your fingers to the next bead and say another Hail Mary while still contemplating the Annunciation.  You'd continue to move from bead to bead, contemplating the Annunciation and reciting the Hail Mary with each bead.  At the end of the decade, when your fingers slip off that last bead, you'd pray the Glory Be.  No need to count how many Hail Marys you prayed, or wonder if you'd contemplated the Annunciation long enough... the beads kept track for you, leaving you free to focus on the spiritual rather than the numerical side of the equation.

 

Clearing your mind of the Annunciation you'd now focus on the Visitation (the next specific mystery of the Joyful set), take hold of the loan bead sitting there between the decades all on it's lonesome, and you'd pray the Our Father.  Your fingers move to the first bead of the new decade and you return to praying the Hail Mary while holding each bead only this time you're contemplating the Visitation.

 

Once around the rosary covers all five elements of a single "Mystery set".  You need to go three times round the rosary to cover ALL the mysteries in all the sets.  (well, technically, Pope John Paul added a fourth set of mysteries called the Luminous Mysteries but I never really took to those and I didn't see them getting pulled out all that often... one adds to established tradition at one's own risk I think!  LOL)

 

Clear as mud, yes?  It's actually easier to do than to explain... kind of like reading a book about meditation and actually sitting quietly with a candle.  It makes more "sense" when you're in the moment.

 

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Thursday is "scary hoop day"... I see the OB and should find out if the babe is "ok" or not and if the cyst is getting bigger (bad) or smaller (good).  I'm stressing but trying to stay upbeat. 

 

post #232 of 296
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Originally Posted by Aubergine68 View Post

Hey, Valerie! I love those!  I went on a Magdalen spree a few months ago after you mentioned listening to one of the McGowan books on cd?
 

 Yes! I LOVE McGowan's book! I still have to get my hands on The Poet Prince (fiction) and on The Source of Miracle (her way to use the Lord Prayer)



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Thursday is "scary hoop day"... I see the OB and should find out if the babe is "ok" or not and if the cyst is getting bigger (bad) or smaller (good).  I'm stressing but trying to stay upbeat. 

 


(((hugs))) and good vibes!
 

post #233 of 296
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Originally Posted by LionessMom View Post

  

something bad happened today. my DH went to the hospital. he was drunker than ever and started crying and couldnt stop. i got real scared. he had me call to get him to the hospital. i am so worried for him right now. i have no idea what he is doing there. i am at home with the kids. i posted a thread somewhere about it. i feel lost. i really hope that this is his bottom, his rock bottom. i really want to hope that he will come home tomorrow not wanting to drink anymore. but i am not holding my breath. :(  


Oh hun *hugs* to you.  I really hope that this serves as his wake up call and your family can get the help you need! 


 
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Originally Posted by Maiasaura View Post

 

What book? Is it "Sugar Blues", by chance, or "7 Weeks To Sobriety"?  I find it so funny (funny-peculiar, not funny-haha) that "the experts" refuse to admit sugar is addictive. Powerful lobby indeed, huh? OH, or that sugar affects children's behavior eyesroll.gif

  


It's the companion book to this called the Sweet Poison quit plan.  The experts would never be allowed to say that it's addictive and bad... just look at how much $$ he US govt pumps into the sugar /hfcs industry!  It's really sad that they are resigning entire generations of american kids to eating rubbish and starting on the road to a very unhealthy life.. all for the sake of $ .   The things the book says make perfect sense.. so much sense that it's fairly obvious that the govt & food industry DOES know this,  but they dont' WANT to know it as it is not in THEIR interest.  I am absolutely making the shift!   Today the kiddo & I stopped at the coffee shop (we had to grab a few things at the supermarket so while we were there ;)  and I suprised my barista friend by ordering a regular flat white with no sugar, and added my own splenda :).

 

I'm feeling very edgy with the whole NZ earthquake at the moment... I listened to the news earlier and the presenter was talking to a lady on a mobile phone that was trapped UNDER HER DESK in a collapsed building.  And the silly cow was asking things like what is around you... HELLO the building is around her,  she is terrified and this is what you ask her??  Comfort the woman, let her know help is on the way etc... I'm so disappointed in humanity at moments like that!    On the upside, we heard from our brothers almost immediately.. they are a couple of hours south (in Dunedin) but Nigel often goes to Christchurch with work so it was nice to hear they are ok.  We have had a bad year thus far, down here in the southern Hemisphere :( 

 

 

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Clay- thinking of you!!!

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Hello, all! It's been ages (this is the Mama-previously-known-as-Salvia)! Just felt inspired to check in today and I know why!

 

I have the book Pagan Prayer Beads and would like to donate it to the Pagan Mamas circulating library. I will send to to one of you all- just PM me- and then that person can pass it on to someone else. May you all have better luck with it than me. I never did make my prayer beads and to this day I have a real block with praying (recovering Catholic/Born Again- yikes).

 

Sorry to just barge in. Congratulations, Clay and I hope that Thursday goes well!

 

My surprise third daughter, Phoebe, is a real joy. She is 6 months old now and, well, she's heaven! It makes my heart happy to see how much her big sisters love her, too.

 

Blessings to all! stillheart.gif

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-23°C (about -10°F) this morning cold.gif... I'm so ready for Spring!

 

Sending good vibes to NZ people.

 

Salvia! love.gif Good to have some news from you!!! Oh! A baby! Congratulations!!! flowersforyou.gif

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Salvia/GoldBerry- So glad to see you! Congratulations on the birth of your 3rd daughter. I have found that having the 3 girls to really a magickal experience, they have such an intimate bond with each other. Do you still have goats? Stop by now and again, I miss seeing pics of your garden.

 

Car- Found an 09 Dodge Journey, we are calling today to set up a time to pick it up. I am so excited! It is smaller than my old mini-van, but I was so tired of the van that i don't mind. I am happy with the company I am working with, the dealer has been easy to work with and didn't try to sell me some piece of junk I didn't want. Sure, it isn't a fancy vehichle, but I am not a fancy person. We are waiting for the bank to write the check and then we are good. :) Oh and I was assertive with the dealer, dh was really surprised at how assertive I was. The sales manager tried to pawn off his cars that he is obviously having trouble selling, onto me, and i had nothing to do with it. Nope, I know what I want. That is that. The poor dealer called yesterday, he said he had what I was looking for and could get it for me. I told him, don't bother I found a vehichle. Honestly, the dealer was ok to work with but his manager so wasn't. I am going to write the manager a letter, cause he is the on the lost the sale. I feel good knowing I can be assertive, get what I want and not get screwed in the process. Woman power! *hehe*

 

post #238 of 296

Heyla and hugs back atcha GoldBerry!  Good to see you.  :)  (the really short back story to tomorrow's testing is that I became pregnant while taking medication that isn't good for babies... we haven't told anyone IRL, I'm now 12+ weeks along, and tomorrow should tell us if the babe is still viable.  An u/s in January to check fetal development found what could be ovarian cancer so I'm also being evaluated for that.  Tomorrow should give us a good feel for whether the various cysts are a "big deal" or not.  It's been a rocky road to Dublin Town, that's for sure!)

 

30 hours to go and hopefully this limbo will be over, one way or the other.  Of course, it just means a new limbo will take it's place, but somehow it feels like tomorrow is the "big" day in terms of figuring things out.

 

The Marian aspects are really the only things I "miss" from my christian days... those, and the whole ritual community aspect.  I do miss having places I could just "walk into anywhere" and belong.  I remember when I lived in Turkey I was never able to get into the US Embassy, but the Italian Embassay had a church so they let you just "walk in" as long as you said you were going to the church.  LOL  Not very secure I suppose, but the Italian Embassy was my "if things go bad" escape route because of it (and with the whole Iraqi conflict starting up while I was there, there were moments of "this could be bad").

 

All the kiddos woke up on the wacky side of the bed today, and they did it early (Tor a few minutes before 5am sigh) so I can tell it's going to be a day just filled with "argh!".  LOL  Here we go!

 

Oh... a question... we live really rurally.  There is not a lot of social anything for young kiddos here... lady knows I've tried for the past 5 years to form social connections for the kiddos.  DD1 depends on her 2 day/week preschool for social interaction and full body action play.  Starting next year the plan is for dd2 to join her 2 days/week (the staff are willing to work with dd2's SPD and I think it's crucial that dd2 have more sensory stimulation/social interaction).  However, the school is moving so that there will be roughly a one hour commute to the school from our home (so an hour there, and hour back in the am then an hour there and an hour back in the pm for 4 hours in the car 2 days/week).  And the tuition is going up (a lot) so tuition for dd1 and dd2 would be our single biggest expense (double our mortgage payment actually).  And I learned last night that my job is going "bye bye".  So our already thin income will be stretched even further.

 

So... our tax return is almost, to the dollar, the amount we would need for a year's tuition.  The plan had been to use the return to pay down cc debt.  We have a lot of cc debt, the tax return would clear about 1/5th of it, letting us add 100 dollars to our snowball for monthly payments on the remaining debt.  Not something to be sneezed at, but also not a "clean slate" sort of amount.

 

DH and I are bouncing back and forth between banking the return for tuition or putting the return towards debt and not doing preschool.  We HAVE to have dd1 in school (she'll be 6yo) so that's not an option.  And dd2 HAS to have some sort of "non family social group interaction" since she is no longer eligible for her therapy programs and honestly I'm just not able to keep the sensory diet on track by myself.  We could maybe put the girls in a one day a week activity but keeping in mind that there could be a newborn arriving in early sept it would be helpful if they could both attend the same activity at the same time but that isn't likely (very physcial and outgoing 6yo vs very sensory sensitive and shy 4yo).  but maybe?  WWYD?

 

I know I'll be meditating on this, and using the pendulum, but right now my brain/emotions are just a mess so some outside ideas would be appreciated!

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Clay- Hmm, I know for me, even the worlds greatest school out there would give me great pause over the hour drive. I hate driving back and forth. I would rather not have debt, so I would get rid of the debt and do my best to make the school payment. How would you handle the drive with a newborn? I value education, so I would be willing to pay the tuition, even if it really stretched the budget. Is public school a non-option for dd? If it were me, I might consider sending dd to public school for a year while I adjusted to having a newborn. L is going into 1st grade but it sounds like she is farther ahead in some areas. That is a lot to think about.

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GB, i saw you posted in the WWL thread and just about jumped out of my seat! congrats on the new babe, and it is SO SO good to "see" you! joy.gif

 

clay, first of all, hugs and vibes for thrusday, and ohmomma, i missed the cyst, hon! that must have been post-jan 8th, and i was in.. well, yeah. i am so so so so so sorry that i didnt know about that! gah, how on earth could i have missed that? huge hugs for you, sweetest one. i can not even imagine the racing range of emotions going on for you right now, and this $$/education decisions/etc on top of it. i know it's a lot. crazy lot. i know for me, and this is me, and you and i operate very differently, but honestly, i would be really wanting some... "help" in making sure i was making the decision from the "right" place, iykwim. i know you've been holding off on FEs. and i get that, i do. but maybe, just maybe this would be a good time to give one a try. because what it could do is help you feel that you're focusing on the best bits and making the decisions from a place of pure you, not distorted thru the crazy stuff that's cluttering. it's just a thought, and obviously if it doesnt resonate, ignore me. it just... well. i've been helped so much by them, especially the past two months, i just have to share that. huge hugs, and pm me anytime if you need an ear to vent thoughts at (& i promise not to suggest FEs, unless you ask). xoxoxoxox

 

aeress, you rock! yay!

 

cari, that is so frightening. things have been rough in oz, and all over. sending hopeful thoughts. goodvibes.gif

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