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post #21 of 78
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I wrote and recieved this back:

 

Thank you for your message.  I heard this bill in committee and on the Floor of the House.  I am sure there are many bills in which we can agree, but I don't think we'll agree on this one.  This bill asks parents to sign a form saying that they understand the information that was presented to them about immunization.  It does not force you to have immunizations, only that the Doctors or other medical staff have informed you of them.  I believe this bill allows for more access for the patients.

I did vote yes on this bill and it passed out of Committee and on the floor of the House.  It has now moved in the House as version HB 1015; and in the Senate as SB 5005.  Both versions have passed their respective houses and are being further considered. 

 


So is the bill only that we have been informed? Not that they agree that we are not vaccinating?
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by jrose_lee View Post

I wrote and recieved this back:

 

Thank you for your message.  I heard this bill in committee and on the Floor of the House.  I am sure there are many bills in which we can agree, but I don't think we'll agree on this one.  This bill asks parents to sign a form saying that they understand the information that was presented to them about immunization.  It does not force you to have immunizations, only that the Doctors or other medical staff have informed you of them.  I believe this bill allows for more access for the patients.

I did vote yes on this bill and it passed out of Committee and on the floor of the House.  It has now moved in the House as version HB 1015; and in the Senate as SB 5005.  Both versions have passed their respective houses and are being further considered. 

 


I would write back.  The bill does not require PARENTS to sign a form, it requires the DOCTOR to sign a form.  Apparently your rep didn't read the whole two sentences!
 

 

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Originally Posted by jrose_lee View Post

I wrote and recieved this back:

 

Thank you for your message.  I heard this bill in committee and on the Floor of the House.  I am sure there are many bills in which we can agree, but I don't think we'll agree on this one.  This bill asks parents to sign a form saying that they understand the information that was presented to them about immunization.  It does not force you to have immunizations, only that the Doctors or other medical staff have informed you of them.  I believe this bill allows for more access for the patients.

I did vote yes on this bill and it passed out of Committee and on the floor of the House.  It has now moved in the House as version HB 1015; and in the Senate as SB 5005.  Both versions have passed their respective houses and are being further considered. 

 




So is the bill only that we have been informed? Not that they agree that we are not vaccinating?


The bill makes it so that to file an exemption, with every exemption you file you have to have a signed statement from a health care practitioner saying they discussed the pros and cons of vaccination with you.  If you read the bill reports, their underlying reasoning is that vaccine exemptions are too easy to get.  Those speaking for the bill include the AAP.  The only opponent is from some mercury/heavy metal coalition, who honestly sounds a bit flaky from the con statement.  So I think that's part of why it is passing.

 

This is what will be added to the current immunization law should this pass:

 

 

 

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The form presented on or after the

11 effective date of this section must include a statement to be signed by

12 a health care practitioner stating that he or she provided the signator

13 with information about the benefits and risks of immunization.

 

 

You can read the whole bill, the bill reports, etc at the two links in the original post.
 

 

post #24 of 78

Can you go to a naturapathic physician and they sign the form?

post #25 of 78

I don't think they could not let a ND sign sense they are licensed to provide primary care in this state and to give vaccines

post #26 of 78
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If you read the bill, yes, they allow liscenced NDs.

 

 

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(2) For purposes of this section, "health care practitioner" means

12 a physician licensed under chapter 18.71 or 18.57 RCW, a naturopath

13 licensed under chapter 18.36A RCW, a physician assistant licensed under

14 chapter 18.71A or 18.57A RCW, or an advanced registered nurse

15 practitioner licensed under chapter 18.79 RCW.

 

post #27 of 78

"More access" to what?  Vaccinations?  headscratch.gif

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  I believe this bill allows for more access for the patients.
 

post #28 of 78
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The Bill is scheduled for public hearing in the Senate Committee on Health and Long Term Care at 1:30 on March 17th.  I don't know if that means they can take public testimony or not.  But if so, if anyone can go and voice their opinion that would be great.  If not, here are the committee members to write to:  http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/HEA/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

 

 

post #29 of 78

Thank-you for the update DahliaRW. I just sent another slew of emails out, this time to the Health & Long Term Care committee members. I dread what passage of this bill might mean for those of us who don't vaccinate/selectively vaccinate.

 

post #30 of 78
Bumping, any movement?

I asked my nd at my kids. Dr ppt and she didn't think it would pass. Said we'd deal with the extra paperwork if it happened.
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Bumping, any movement?

I asked my nd at my kids. Dr ppt and she didn't think it would pass. Said we'd deal with the extra paperwork if it happened.
 


Why did she think that (just curious).  I don't know the reasoning.

 

Just looked it up again and saw:

 

 

Mar 16  Executive action taken in the House Committee on Health Care & Wellness at 9:00 AM.
      HCW - Executive action taken by committee.
      HCW - Majority; do pass with amendment(s). (Majority Report)
      Minority; do not pass. (Minority Report)

 

I'm not real sure what the means.  Anyone with more knowledge know?

 

Haven't seen it up for vote in the Senate Committee yet, but I would guess since they had a public hearing that it'll be in the agenda to vote in the future..
 

 

post #32 of 78

bump. any updates on this?

post #33 of 78
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It's up for 2nd reading in the Senate.  If it's voted yay, then it can be put up for third reading and vote, and then if it's voted yay it passes the senate.  Or at least that is my understanding.  You can check the status of the bills in the links in the OP.

post #34 of 78

Here's some info I received today via e-mail:

 

http://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Resources/WAStopSB5005.aspx

 

I just spent several minutes calling the representatives on the list.  Please consider calling them if you live in WA state.  You can also call your representative.

 

The newest version sounds even more disturbing (from a NIVC e-mail):

 

Note, the House Health and Wellness Committee adopted some changes to SB5005 which make this bill worse in some ways. There is a link below in the talking points so you can see the bill.  It does not require a signature by a vaccine administrator on the exemption for a religious exemption only if the parent “demonstrates membership in a  religious body or a church in which the religious beliefs or teachings of the church preclude a health care practitioner from providing medical treatment to the child.”  Unless you belong to a church prohibiting medical treatment, this does nothing to help our members and sanctifies the state in giving preferential treatment for some religious beliefs not others.

 

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Amendments/House/5005.E%20AMH%20HCW%20H2234.2.pdf
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1015.pdf

post #35 of 78
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Actually, the new religious part makes sense.  I know tehre are some religions that do not believe in seeking medical treatment at all.  Which means going to a doctor to discuss vaccines could be against their beliefs.  So, the ammendment makes it so that those in religions who believe that (Christian Scientists come to mind) WOULD NOT have to go to a doctor to have this form signed, protected their religious beliefs.  Not that I agree with this bill at all, but at least that does solve the problem of "what if it's against my religion to go to a doctor")

post #36 of 78
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By the way, it passed the senate today, if I'm reading it right.

post #37 of 78

dahlia, where are you seeing this passed today? sorry in advance if its totally obvious

 

so what happens next?

post #38 of 78
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I actually have it backwards.  It passed the senate on  2/22, and passed the house today.  So I guess now Gregoire has to sign it?  Anyone know for sure?

 

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5005.E%20SBR%20HA%2011.pdf

post #39 of 78
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Ok, another bill report says it takes effect 90 days after the adjournment of the session.  Not sure if that means from today or from some time in the future.  I sure wish I could remember my high school government class better!

post #40 of 78
so... What about all those doctors who will kick out patients who refuse to vax? I'm imagining a situation where a family skipped wbv to avoid the confrontation, then goes in for the exemption and gets told they'll be dismissed if they don't comply with the cdc schedule. And then, assuming said family continues to refuse and seek the exemption, gets told that since they are no longer patients, the dr cannot sign? Finding a doctor who agrees with them isn't easy for everyone, especially those in more rural area I imagine
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