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post #21 of 41

What are cell salts? Where do I find such an item? How much to give a 4 year old?

 

I give her cod liver oil 1 tbsp 2x a day, high vitamin butter oil 1 tbsp 2x a day, xylitol toothpaste, xylitol mouthwash and have been doing this fairly consistently for a year with barely any improvement. Sometimes the canines recalcify (?) but not permanently... I'm SO discouraged.

post #22 of 41

I havent read thsi whole thread but thought I'd reply to the housewife.

I'm no expert in these matters and ahve learned everything on here and in the Cure Tooth Decay Book byRamiel Nagel recommended here.

From what I understand, cell salts help with remineralizing teeth by helping to balance the absorbtion of minerals on a cellular level.  we got ours at whole foods but these are available on amazon and probably vitacost and others.  We are using hylands brand and have Bioplasma and calc Phos, calc Fluor and Silica.  If you call wf to ask them, you can ask for Hylands Cell salts #s 1,2, 12 and bioplasma.  On this forum, they recommended administering this 6x/day for first month and then 3x/day after.  We have been using these for less than 2 weeks and brushing alot with xylitol and using pascalite clay (another thing I learned about here)  my daughters brown line of decay across her top 4 teethis virtually gone.  There is still alot of work to do but I am seriously dedicated to these things now sa they have really worked.

If you are intereetsed in the pascalite clay, as well, we are brushing with this and letting DD put it on her teeth after brushing 1-2x/day and then I put it on her cavities at night in paste form and sometimes before nap.  Good luck!

 

post #23 of 41
Thread Starter 

Cod liver oil, xylitol and cutting out processed foods helped heal my son's teeth to some extent. There is still damage, but the spread of caries has stopped and it looks much better now. 

post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by gracemamma View Post

I havent read thsi whole thread but thought I'd reply to the housewife.

I'm no expert in these matters and ahve learned everything on here and in the Cure Tooth Decay Book byRamiel Nagel recommended here.

From what I understand, cell salts help with remineralizing teeth by helping to balance the absorbtion of minerals on a cellular level.  we got ours at whole foods but these are available on amazon and probably vitacost and others.  We are using hylands brand and have Bioplasma and calc Phos, calc Fluor and Silica.  If you call wf to ask them, you can ask for Hylands Cell salts #s 1,2, 12 and bioplasma.  On this forum, they recommended administering this 6x/day for first month and then 3x/day after.  We have been using these for less than 2 weeks and brushing alot with xylitol and using pascalite clay (another thing I learned about here)  my daughters brown line of decay across her top 4 teethis virtually gone.  There is still alot of work to do but I am seriously dedicated to these things now sa they have really worked.

If you are intereetsed in the pascalite clay, as well, we are brushing with this and letting DD put it on her teeth after brushing 1-2x/day and then I put it on her cavities at night in paste form and sometimes before nap.  Good luck!

 


Well said about the cell salts. And great to hear you are seeing results!
post #25 of 41

@gracemama

 

Allright well if it's working for you, then I'm going to try it. I've done everything else I can do and it only seems to have haulted the decay process, not yet reversing it really.

 

Are these the right items?

 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-27071-hylands-cell-salts-

 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-27142-hylands-cell-salts-

 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-27666-hylands-cell-salts-

 

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-13894-hylands-cell-salts-bioplasma-1000-tablets

 

I'm not near a Whole Food market - they are like over an hour away from where I live, so I try to get everything online... If you could verify those are the right things for me, that would be awesome!

 

I ordered pascalite clay on Saturday and hope that it arrives soon as I have heard good things about that as well. How do you get the paste to stay on the front teeth? My daughter has like 20 teeth and at least 8-10 of them have cavities.

 

It's so frustrating because we eat so well and she was breastfed till she was 18 months old and we don't give her a lot of sugar, carbs, processed foods, etc.  She's a wicked picky eater and doesn't eat very much.  I feel like such a horrible mother.. people look at her teeth and then give me a dirty look and I just wish I could explain that it's not my fault - I'm doing everything I possibly can to fix her teeth! Does anyone else feel like this????

post #26 of 41

Thanks koalamom!

Yes thehousewife- I feel the same sometimes. My own family came with me to our dentist appt. last week and their jaws literally dropped when they learned that 2 yr old DD has 8 cavities.  Her brown decay is WAY better but it still blows my mind that it got to this stage and of course we blame ourselves.  We also are eating what I consider to be a very healthy diet with almost no processed sugars, minimal watered down juice etc. After 20 years as a vegetarian, I am planning on adding in fish because of this issue.  just cant stomach the idea of bone broth just yet!!

Just checked your links and these are precisely what we are using. They taste good and my DD likes them. She asks for extras so no difficulty there! (Nothing like the cod liver oil we are REALLY struggling with as per my own thread asking for help!)

With the pascalite, we brush with this and xylitol depending on how we organize for the day and then before nap I mix some of the pascalite powder with water to form a firm but still speadable paste and put it on her teeth that need help.  Sometimes she isnt interested but we make a game of it in the evenings.  first we brush, then she and I both get pascalite powder in our hands and she uses her finger to put in on her teeth and mine if she wishes ( a bit like playing in the dirt= fun). Then I make the paste with pascalite and water and put it on the front and backs of her front four and on her molars.  I explain that it is happy teeth powder and it seems to work well. 

 

Good luck. I really really hope this helps your DC. Wishing everyone happy, healthy teeth!

 

post #27 of 41
I hear you housewife. We ate the perfect diet and when my dd got cavities, I was so heartbroken. And the perfect diet for us was bone broth, FCLO, tons of grass fed butter, and still she got cavities. The cell salts were amazingly fast at healing her teeth- one month. I was a vegetarian for 8 years and I regret it as I think that my dd didn't get the right nutrition in the womb.
post #28 of 41

Koalamom, I don't think being a vegetarian had anything to do with it. Many people who eat meat have children with cavities.  I've been a vegetarian for 24 years and my children are vegetarian, and so far, my 5 year old has one cavity, and my other child has none. (Knowing what I know now, I don't even think it was a cavity, just a deep pit in her molar, because she has the same thing on the other side, and we were just at the dentist (a different doctor) and she said it's not a cavity.)

 

post #29 of 41
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Koalamom, I don't think being a vegetarian had anything to do with it. Many people who eat meat have children with cavities.  I've been a vegetarian for 24 years and my children are vegetarian, and so far, my 5 year old has one cavity, and my other child has none. (Knowing what I know now, I don't even think it was a cavity, just a deep pit in her molar, because she has the same thing on the other side, and we were just at the dentist (a different doctor) and she said it's not a cavity.)

 


My kids are third generation vegetarians. Only my son has cavities, nobody else in the family had these issues. 

 

 

post #30 of 41
I didn't mean to sound against vegetarianism, as I am one at heart. I would be one if I felt good eating that way but my body just can't handle it. I guess I am trying to say that some people are not meant to be vegetarians. I fought it and knew I wasn't supposed to be as i felt pretty bad eating that way.
post #31 of 41
So mittens, you are vegetarian but letting your son eat FCLO if needed, and that is what is important. If you find an alternative that is great, but if all that works for your kid is fish, then go for it.

Was someone mentioning bone broth as a tough thing to do in this thread? If so, I highly recommend nettles infusions as a plant source of usable minerals.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by Koalamom View Post

So mittens, you are vegetarian but letting your son eat FCLO if needed, and that is what is important. If you find an alternative that is great, but if all that works for your kid is fish, then go for it.

Was someone mentioning bone broth as a tough thing to do in this thread? If so, I highly recommend nettles infusions as a plant source of usable minerals.


Yes, but that is something we only started after the teeth started decaying. I have since read about the benefits, and we are all using it now. But then, we are not vegetarians for reasons of principle - I grew up veggie, and stayed that way out of habit. I actually intensely dislike the taste of meat (I tried as a teenager). 

 

Nettles, yes! They are especially great during pregnancy for all the goodness in them. I drink them as tea. 

post #33 of 41
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Thanks koalamom!

Yes thehousewife- I feel the same sometimes. My own family came with me to our dentist appt. last week and their jaws literally dropped when they learned that 2 yr old DD has 8 cavities.  Her brown decay is WAY better but it still blows my mind that it got to this stage and of course we blame ourselves.  We also are eating what I consider to be a very healthy diet with almost no processed sugars, minimal watered down juice etc. After 20 years as a vegetarian, I am planning on adding in fish because of this issue.  just cant stomach the idea of bone broth just yet!!

Just checked your links and these are precisely what we are using. They taste good and my DD likes them. She asks for extras so no difficulty there! (Nothing like the cod liver oil we are REALLY struggling with as per my own thread asking for help!)

With the pascalite, we brush with this and xylitol depending on how we organize for the day and then before nap I mix some of the pascalite powder with water to form a firm but still speadable paste and put it on her teeth that need help.  Sometimes she isnt interested but we make a game of it in the evenings.  first we brush, then she and I both get pascalite powder in our hands and she uses her finger to put in on her teeth and mine if she wishes ( a bit like playing in the dirt= fun). Then I make the paste with pascalite and water and put it on the front and backs of her front four and on her molars.  I explain that it is happy teeth powder and it seems to work well. 

 

Good luck. I really really hope this helps your DC. Wishing everyone happy, healthy teeth!

 



Awesome, thank you so much!

 

I just got my daughter the following cod liver oil and she LOVES it! Peppermint flavored.  She always struggled with taking cod liver oil in the past but she seems to really like this one, so that is helping!

 

http://livesuperfoods.com/natural-supplements/fish-butter-oils/blue-ice-raw-emulsified-fermented-cod-liver-oil.html?options=cart

 

I also got the high vitamin butter oil to go with it (per Weston A Price suggestion)  and she seems to like this one much better than the last one I bought.

 

http://livesuperfoods.com/natural-supplements/fish-butter-oils/x-factor-high-vitamin-butter-oil.html

 

Let me know how this goes for you!!!!!!

 
post #34 of 41

thank you for the peppermint flavored CLO recommendation! We will try this! I wish someone at Green Pastures had mentioned this when I was trying to figure out what a toddler would take! Will get the butter oil too. Thanks again.

post #35 of 41

I'm just joining the conversation now with a 3.5 year old with early signs of decay, confirmed by trusted dentist, in the top 2 front teeth, where they meet. 

 

 

Our routine - brushing with fluoride and flossing with a xylitol floss 2x/day, sesame oil swish and spit after flossing, swishing with water after snacks and meals, CLO, raw milk, bone broth, vit D drops, xylitol spray,  and a teesy dab of fluoride on the decay at bedtime, and a relatively primal diet - eliminating processed grains is the biggest challenge, but we have at least moved on to sprouted grains. Zero processed sugar, almost zero "unprocessed" sweeteners, and even light on the whole fruits.

 

Would certainly be open to the clay, just not sure if he'd accept it, and I know he'd wake if I applied it after sleep.

 

Definitely interested in the alkalinizing stuff from uncleharry's - my son is really into swishing, and hates mint, so the unflavored one might go over fine.

 

Koalamom and others who answered "yes" to the Housewife's question about did you see healing, my sciencey brain needs to ask a follow up question. Did your trusted dentists agree that healing/ remineralization had occurred?

 

Cell salts question - can these be found without sweetener - I guess it's usually lactose with homeopathics? I just don't see the value of adding more sweets to his taste buds, never mind the teeth.

 

And what is up with all the dental-shame??? Husband and I are both struggling with it right now too and I see from your posts that we are not alone. I wonder why we're all so vulnerable to the self-judging feelings in this area... Don't want to hijack, just curious (and suffering.)

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

post #36 of 41

Your post was a bit hard to read for me at least due to some formatting things but I do hope you have good results with what you are trying.  Just thought Id reply on the dental shame. I think it is such an obvious indication of health and care that, particularly for those who are working so hard to raise healthy, happy kiddos- this glaring brown stained example of not getting it right feels like failure- at least to me at times.  Particularly when EVERYONE I know and talk to says, this cant be right! She's two! Ive never heard of this before! Etc. and then invariably the blame goes to the parents (Mom) for diet, brushing etc. I am trying to be as mellow as possible about it while doing the absolute best I can for my daughter (including eating fish for the firsttime in 20 years!!) and most of what everyone else here is doing. 

I think also, at least in our case, it is really hard having a kid whose teeth are soooo sensitive! We had some homemade cupcakes with agave syrup for a couple of DD birthday celebrations, some fruit sweetened soda and within days, her brown stains were back and a piece of one of her front teeth (about 1/4 of it) broke off and came out. Yikes!  We already have so many allergies to accommodate forher that this has been a hard adjustment. But there really is no choice, is there?  Doing the very best we can fro their health and their teeth is what parents are for.

Good luck.

post #37 of 41

Oy golly, what is up with that formatting thing??? Don't anyone try to twist their brain reading it (but thanks gracemama!), I'll take some time later and try to repost! yowza!

post #38 of 41

Trying again!

 

I'm just joining the conversation now with a 3.5 year old with early signs of decay, confirmed by trusted dentist, in the top 2 front teeth, where they meet.

 
Our routine - brushing with fluoride and flossing with a xylitol floss 2x/day, sesame oil swish and spit after flossing, swishing with water after snacks and meals, CLO, raw milk, bone broth, vit D drops, xylitol spray,  and a teesy dab of fluoride on the decay at bedtime, and a relatively primal diet - eliminating processed grains is the biggest challenge, but we have at least moved on to sprouted grains. Zero processed sugar, almost zero "unprocessed" sweeteners, and even light on the whole fruits.
 
Would certainly be open to the clay, just not sure if he'd accept it, and I know he'd wake if I applied it after sleep.
 
Definitely interested in the alkalinizing stuff from uncleharry's - my son is really into swishing, and hates mint, so the unflavored one might go over fine.
 
Koalamom and others who answered "yes" to the Housewife's question about did you see healing, my sciencey brain needs to ask a follow up question. Did your trusted dentists agree that healing/ remineralization had occurred?
 
Cell salts question - can these be found without sweetener</strong> - I guess it's usually lactose with homeopathics? I just don't see the value of adding more sweets to his taste buds, never mind the teeth.
 
And what is up with all the dental-shame??? Husband and I are both struggling with it right now too and I see from your posts that we are not alone. I wonder why we're all so vulnerable to the self-judging feelings in this area... Don't want to hijack, just curious (and suffering.)
 
Thanks.
post #39 of 41
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Koalamom and others who answered "yes" to the Housewife's question about did you see healing, my sciencey brain needs to ask a follow up question. Did your trusted dentists agree that healing/ remineralization had occurred?

 

Cell salts question - can these be found without sweetener - I guess it's usually lactose with homeopathics? I just don't see the value of adding more sweets to his taste buds, never mind the teeth.

 


 


My dentist confirmed as did my kid's dentist (two separate guys.)

 

There is lactose or sucrose in the salts, but that does not bother me.  I also put them in water so you don't get a huge "sugar taste."  But you can get them in alcohol rather than sugar.

 

post #40 of 41

To parents who are working to remineralize their children's teeth: Have any of you been working with supportive dentists who help monitor the progress or arrest of the decay? Have you used x-rays to monitor progress?

 

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to find pictures that will show me how the appearance of the teeth changes during remineralization. Does anyone have any links to pictures?

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