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post #161 of 281

After dinner tonight, which was later than usual, I drank another 1/4 teaspoon of the bentonite liquid clay. I also drank another large glass of water and am sipping another now before I go to bed. I usually drink 60-70 ounces of water daily anyway (although not necessarily the last few weeks). Shall I increase that while taking the clay? So far, I have not noticed any effects from the clay that I know of... I don't really know what to expect, though. LOL The girl at the hfs talked about a detox she did recently with the clay and yellow burdock and another herb. She said she experienced a bit of gastric discomfort and then she just felt really, really good. She took higher doses than I am taking. The bottle recommends 1 tablespoon, but I didn't confirm she followed the directions.

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you don't necessarily need to increase from 2 quarts if you are taking hydrated clay.  If you were taking pills, then perhaps.  I notice that "good" feeling anytime I high dosed clay over the last 10 years.  Of course when I high doses it was because of an issue, so I never really put two and two together.  Now that I'm doing high doses daily I have that feeling regularly-I would even say daily.  It's just a lightness and a lack of awareness of the GI tract (which for me is great news!  Even when I was stable, I was still hyper-aware of it.)

 

I'd say I noticed in under a week.  Taking that clay I'd say when you hit a cup you should notice something-but that's a rough guess as I don't use prehydrated clay.  I'm assuming that a cup of that is somewhat equal to 1 T. dry....give or take.

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Hmmmm....I've been checking back in with this thread occasionally, curious as to what you all were finding. I've done large amounts of clay once, but don't remember seeing any real difference except slightly firmer stools, and the need for drinking more water. I did it when trying to heal sudden-onset eczema I had, before I found out that it was actually parasites that were causing the eczema. I started with portions of a teaspoon of pascalite twice a day, then up to a teaspoon, then I just started dumping a good amount in the glass -- I'd guess I got close to a tablespoon twice a day. I did it over the course of two weeks, and never saw any changes that I noticed, so I stopped.

 

Then, when I found out I had parasites, I treated for them and everything got better, and then I started taking clay again occasionally, whenever I felt I needed help with detox from the parasite cleanse, or just when I felt drawn to it intuitively. I didn't ramp up the second time; I would just dump some in a glass and drink it whenever I felt like it. Probably closer to a Tablespoon than a teaspoon, but only once a day occasionally.

 

I'm out of the pascalite now, and have some redmond clay, but haven't been taking it at all. I remember having to choke down the redmond clay when I tried it internally, but Pascalite actually tastes good to me. So I'm not doing clay at all now, but wondering if I should order some more pascalite and try high doses again. I wonder if I would see/feel more of a difference now that the parasites are gone or reduced? Was I just not noticing the changes, or was I prevented from experiencing the benefits because of the parasite infestation? I know that clay addresses parasite reproduction, too, but I think I was beyond that level of help at that point.

 

Also, I have always questioned the high aluminum content in clays. I have read the info about the aluminum not being absorbed, but that never made sense to me. I would want to understand how absorption or non-absorption of aluminum works before taking it for a really long period. Can you explain that to me more? Is that the cation absorption issue, or something else?

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Then, when I found out I had parasites, I treated for them and everything got better, and then I started taking clay again occasionally, whenever I felt I needed help with detox from the parasite cleanse, or just when I felt drawn to it intuitively. I didn't ramp up the second time; I would just dump some in a glass and drink it whenever I felt like it. Probably closer to a Tablespoon than a teaspoon, but only once a day occasionally.

yes, clay is a valuable part of a parasite cleanse due to several mechanisms.  When I work with people who have parasites clay is a non-negotiable aspect!  So glad you found things that worked and glad too that you utilized clay.

 

I'm out of the pascalite now, and have some redmond clay, but haven't been taking it at all. I remember having to choke down the redmond clay when I tried it internally, but Pascalite actually tastes good to me.

Me too.  I love pascalite and crave it.  I like sodium bentonite and look forward to taking it.  I have a few other kinds and one of them I choke down and gag afterwards.  It doesn't taste bad...it's just clearly not what I need.  For you, I'd say revisit pascalite.

 

So I'm not doing clay at all now, but wondering if I should order some more pascalite and try high doses again. I wonder if I would see/feel more of a difference now that the parasites are gone or reduced? Was I just not noticing the changes, or was I prevented from experiencing the benefits because of the parasite infestation? I know that clay addresses parasite reproduction, too, but I think I was beyond that level of help at that point.

Hmmm, the parasites can make you so miserable that small changes are worthless, I'll give you that.  But I'd have to know the overall timing as it should have made a difference at some point....but it could have taken a few months in the absence of other things (herbs/homeopathics etc.)  I hesitate to say you weren't noticing the changes because I don't like this to sound like a miracle cure that works for everyone and you weren't paying attention.  I fully understand that not everyone is going to feel significantly different on it.  BUT as I said I'd not expect much unless the timing was correct (which it may have been-but I reserve judgment until then!)  I don't think for a second you didn't experience benefits as a result of parasites, it's just that amidst the madness it may not have even registered. It's not as though clay doesn't work if parasites are present, you know?

 

Also, I have always questioned the high aluminum content in clays. I have read the info about the aluminum not being absorbed, but that never made sense to me. I would want to understand how absorption or non-absorption of aluminum works before taking it for a really long period. Can you explain that to me more? Is that the cation absorption issue, or something else?




I don't for a second think it is.  I was concerned for years and years, but I haven't found ANY evidence that it is.  There are many reasons why this could be the case.  It is something to consider and to research though.  From my own reading and based on the anecdotal evidence I have there is no concern on my end.  But everyone should be an informed consumer.  For my family the aluminum levels were through the roof on everyone's test.  I used clay as part of our heavy metal plan, along with homeopathics etc.  Our levels went consistently down.  Now maybe they did in spite of the clay, but I find that hard to believe.  With the levels my kids and dh had I don't for a second think I could have helped them in having it mobilized and excreted to the point where it showed on tests when I was actively dumping more aluminum in.  Again...just my two cents!

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you don't necessarily need to increase from 2 quarts if you are taking hydrated clay.  If you were taking pills, then perhaps.  I notice that "good" feeling anytime I high dosed clay over the last 10 years.  Of course when I high doses it was because of an issue, so I never really put two and two together.  Now that I'm doing high doses daily I have that feeling regularly-I would even say daily.  It's just a lightness and a lack of awareness of the GI tract (which for me is great news!  Even when I was stable, I was still hyper-aware of it.)

 

I'd say I noticed in under a week.  Taking that clay I'd say when you hit a cup you should notice something-but that's a rough guess as I don't use prehydrated clay.  I'm assuming that a cup of that is somewhat equal to 1 T. dry....give or take.


Thanks. Lack of awareness of the GI tract is exactly how she described it, too! Interesting!

 

I had planned to buy non-hydrated clay, but this is all they had. I bought the smaller of the two bottles. When I tested all the supps I have going on right now, the hydrated clay came up as a very strong yes (dosing 1/4 teaspoon four times a day for now). I always need very gentle approaches to avoid illness and feeling just AWFUL. I intuitively grabbed the 1/4 teaspoon. If I had a 1/8 teaspoon, I would have started there. LOL

 

My revised plan (at the store) was to buy the pre-hydrated clay since it was there, try it out, and find a dry clay source online. At least this way I was getting started while it was in the forefront of my mind. Also, I am hoping it will help us in the event of polluted jetstream fallout. I'm not freaking out over that, but have been reading and I don't feel iodine/iodide is appropriate for us at this time under these circumstances. We're opting for a healthy foods and antioxidants approach along with the clay.

 

Anyway, it sounds like I wouldn't feel much of anything at the 1/4 t dose twice yesterday (1/2 t total of pre-hydrated clay). However, I am feeling *something* in the GI tract. I didn't just start clay, though. I started elderberry tincture (which tested no after I already took it after dinner last night...I'll test again in a bit...fresh this morning with nothing in me, yet) ... and beta carotene (25,000 IU, which tested yes). Along with the clay, I've never taken any of those before in those forms.

 

I also resumed taking a few supps I have taken before:

acerola powder (vit C - tested yes and I have had no problems taking it in the past...actually I resumed this a few days ago)

women's multi (it is a good one, but it contains ginger and I have reactions to ginger...it tested yes at 1 am & 1 pm, normal dose is 3 per day)

gokshura (Ayurveda herb for kidneys, tested yes, no problems in the past, very helpful in fact)

kidneytone (Ayurveda herb for kidneys, tested yes in addition to gokshura, no problems in the past)

suprabha (Ayurveda herb for abdominal organ support, tested yes at 1 am & 1 pm... I have felt major digestive distress taking this in the past, but at much higher doses -- 6+ am & 6+ pm -- per my first Ayurveda practitioner, who travels to India for six months at a time... My current Ayurveda practitioner feels any of it is too harsh for me... I just read the ingredient list and yea, I can see why she feels it is too harsh for me... I have reactions to cardamom and coriander and ginger in the spice forms... this has all three plus a bunch of other stuff.)

 

We regularly take D3 and we just ran out of our cod liver oil. We also take cell salts and flower essences regularly, although which exact ones change frequently.

 

I have enzymes from a different practitioner and those tested no yesterday (and other times) and I never was drawn to them, but I did take them for a few days back in the Fall last year during a cleanse. I also have probiotics still sealed and do not recall where or why I got them. Haven't been drawn to those, either. Didn't even test them -- just recalled I had them. I've taken probiotics while on necessary antibiotics and felt they were useful. Otherwise, not so much...at least not at this point...

 

All that to say I am taking the clay as part of a bigger picture, not in isolation. My bet is my digestive discomfort (mild, but there) is coming from the suprabha or ginger (from suprabha AND women's multi) or clay... in that order of probability with heavy odds on the suprabha. winky.gif

 

Is there such a thing as digestive distress short-term being good for the overall benefit? How much distress is good? When do you know to back off?

 

Barring any advice to the contrary, I'll probably skip the suprabha today and see how I feel. I thought about skipping the women's multi, too, but it is providing a long list of antioxidants that I feel are important right now. (We're also eating a lot of fresh produce from our CSA, as usual.)

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Is there such a thing as digestive distress short-term being good for the overall benefit? How much distress is good? When do you know to back off?

 

 



depends who you ask.  I don't think it's necessary to be uncomfortable, but I don't tend to mind for myself.  As I'm getting things moving I'll personally take some discomfort in exchange for speed.  But I don't ask others to do that.  AND since I'm willing to be uncomfortable I guess that's not truly distressing.  winky.gif

 

So distress is NOT necessary, and as to what's good....it depends on your personal comfort level.  If it's interfering with your life, it ain't good. 

 

In terms of backing off...once you find your comfort level you'll have an intuitive sense with how things feel and you can start to gauge based on symptoms.  If you feel fuzzy, cranky, exhausted, itchy, digestive ick etc. after a period of stability then it's a good time to up the clay.  If upping it returns you to normal...excellent!  If it loosens your bowels then you went up too fast.

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I've gone the super slow route for a few years now. Spring and Fall seem to call for SPEED for me!!! The discomfort I feel today is mild. I just noticed it and wanted a basic understanding from another person's perspective. Thanks! :)

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Yes, it does make sense to me that the clay was doing something, even if I didn't feel it. I also remember that I was desperate to address the sudden eczema, and that's really all I was watching. Also, when eczema is caused by parasites, it's usually roundworms. And I don't think the exact mechanism is known -- it could be leaky gut caused by the roundwoms, which it seems clay would help with, or it could be something entirely different not related to leaky gut -- given that roundworms in particular cause eczema, but lots of different parasites create a leaky gut. Am I making sense?
 

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I don't for a second think it is.  I was concerned for years and years, but I haven't found ANY evidence that it is.  There are many reasons why this could be the case.  It is something to consider and to research though.  From my own reading and based on the anecdotal evidence I have there is no concern on my end.  But everyone should be an informed consumer.  For my family the aluminum levels were through the roof on everyone's test.  I used clay as part of our heavy metal plan, along with homeopathics etc.  Our levels went consistently down.  Now maybe they did in spite of the clay, but I find that hard to believe.  With the levels my kids and dh had I don't for a second think I could have helped them in having it mobilized and excreted to the point where it showed on tests when I was actively dumping more aluminum in.  Again...just my two cents!


This is really, really comforting for me to read. Thank you! The fact that you did aluminum testing makes me feel a lot better. Like you, when I see that evidence it seems impossible that the aluminum from the clay could have been adding to your load, if your levels were going down like that. And being pregnant or nursing a small baby has always made me extra cautious, but I'm also coming out of that phase now too.

 

My interest in trying the clay again is that I have some gut healing to do after the parasites. I've done a lot of gut healing already since getting rid of them (got dairy and eggs back!) -- it seems so much easier and faster to heal the gut now that they're gone. BUT I also think that they're not completely gone (nor perhaps are they meant to be), and that now I need to do the more detailed work of helping my body and my gut reach a point of shedding them on its own, through glandular support and through gut healing and integrity. I still have emotional reactions to corn and probably wheat/gluten (haven't tried that again yet).

 

Soooo....I stopped my usual probiotic because I was reacting to it when I was in the awful throes of parasite reactions. I tended to react to concentrated green-type of stuff, and that was in my probiotic -- it was the garden of life kind. I'm doing mostly probiotic foods now, and did that throughout the parasite treatment -- kombucha and now, since I've gotten dairy back, milk kefir. Are those sufficient for high-level probiotic dosing? I'm guessing the milk kefir would be.

 

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Oh, I just don't know how I feel about clay. It has helped my stomach pain to just about go away and tolerate fats way more but I just feel a constant low grade sickness all. the. time. on clay. I traded the lyme sick feeling for the clay sick feeling. And something new, not knowing what to think about it- I went paleo diet and felt absolutely amazing and my teeth looked whiter, my sensitivity went away and my gums felt great. My palet/bite has even gotten wider. Now since being on clay for several weeks, my teeth are super yellow, very translucent, and decaying noticeably (more like enamel pits of brown color) between lots the teeth. My gums look even worse too receding wise. I am going to up my K2 to super high levels and see if that will help but this is making me freak out here as I have super sensitive teeth to decay. Not sure how long this detox is supposed to last for but it is driving me crazy. The little things are not good like pale skin, gunky eyes, greasy hair, cycle that finally went normal on paleo has gone crazy again. I was all fine with this, but just the teeth thing is drawing the line for me. I was up for hours on the verge of tears last night about my teeth. Sorry for the vent but thanks for reading.
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Oh, I just don't know how I feel about clay. It has helped my stomach pain to just about go away and tolerate fats way more but I just feel a constant low grade sickness all. the. time. on clay. I traded the lyme sick feeling for the clay sick feeling. And something new, not knowing what to think about it- I went paleo diet and felt absolutely amazing and my teeth looked whiter, my sensitivity went away and my gums felt great. My palet/bite has even gotten wider. Now since being on clay for several weeks, my teeth are super yellow, very translucent, and decaying noticeably (more like enamel pits of brown color) between lots the teeth. My gums look even worse too receding wise. I am going to up my K2 to super high levels and see if that will help but this is making me freak out here as I have super sensitive teeth to decay. Not sure how long this detox is supposed to last for but it is driving me crazy. The little things are not good like pale skin, gunky eyes, greasy hair, cycle that finally went normal on paleo has gone crazy again. I was all fine with this, but just the teeth thing is drawing the line for me. I was up for hours on the verge of tears last night about my teeth. Sorry for the vent but thanks for reading.


things will tend to wax and wane as you heal so ebbs and flows are common.  However if you have a constant low grade sickness then either the type of clay (I know you were using one you were very unhappy with-have you changed?) or the amount should probably change.  That nausea is something I feel as I'm stabilizing and the best bet would be to decrease dosage, but I prefer to just ride it out.  It lasts 3-4 days from most all reports.  Again, I'm strange like that!  I don't recommend that people muscle through things. 

 

The good news is that I have never, ever come across anyone saying that clay has done anything negative to oral health, quite the opposite.  However if you would like to pull the clay and have fewer variables, is that an option?  I'd think decreasing would be best, but if you are attributing the negative things to the clay then perhaps it's not the best idea to have it in play at the moment.  I don't know that I'd throw more variables in if that's what you're thinking-I'd personally remove the perceived culprit.

 

I'd still like to know if this is the clay you felt tasted like sewage.  I'm playing with many different kinds of clay, but the one I've used myself and with MANY others with only positive outcomes is pascalite, which is very mild in terms of detoxifying.  The only drawback is price.  If you switch to pascalite I'd just decrease the amount and see if that helps.  Also, pascalite across the board for anyone I know who has ever tried it has been extremely beneficial to oral health in particular.

 

I'm sorry you are feeling nauseated and upset!  You had a few weeks of feeling good so let's see what has to happen to get you back there. 

 

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Hugs mama!!! hug2.gif

post #172 of 281
I only used the nasty sewage clay for a few days and just cant bare it anymore. Pretty bad that I bought 44 lbs of it. I switched to a clay I collected in TX that is a really nice dark clay with a mild flavor. It may not be the clay causing any problems since I have cut down to 1/2 to 1 tsp per day as anymore and I am sick. It is like my tolerance for clay went way down. I just don't know what else could be going on. If I knew that I would be better in a few weeks it would be fine but just the thought of going on like this for months, ugg. Am I missing something? This is supposed to a magic substance. Or perhaps it is keeping me from getting even worse?
post #173 of 281

finally joining into this fun... I have been trying to get through this whole thread for many days and still only made it to page 8.  Dh is on his way home from work so I wanted to post before that so I can hopefully focus.

 

I am needing something new for ds and even before starting to read this thread, I intuitively felt that increasing his dose of probiotics is where we need to go.  I also have been thinking that we need to add in clay lately.  This is something we have never used so I really don't know anything about it so I appreciate this thread very much.  Here is some background...  ds is 3 with multiple IgE food allergies and has had anaphylaxis to tree nuts and eggs and fish (also allergic to peanut and soy).  We have been on GAPS for a number of months.  We tested his stool and found that he had no lactobacillus and very little bifido and instead had klebsiella.  Md prescribed Viracen (antibacterial to kill the bad bacteria), Digest Gold and probiotics (she wanted him on Klaire labs but I opted for Pharmax mindlinx caps to avoid FOS and dairy culture).  We did this for months (maybe 7 to 8?) during that time there was a point that he pooped daily easily though his stools were always runny and weird.  We retested his stool this past January.  He still had no lactobacillus and his bifido was lower than previous test but klebsiella was gone.  After initial questions of why no lactobacillus after supplementing the good probiotics for so long I came to the conclusion that the Viracen was killing all the bacteria.  We stopped the Viracen.   Md also said stop Digest Gold which did not make sense to me so we didn't initially.  I upped his mindlinx to 2 per day (8 Billion per dose) for about 2 weeks.  Then I slowly stopped the digest gold.  His poop spaced out to once a week again.  (he also holds bms which complicates the issue).  Two days ago, we started the digest gold again.  He has had small runny poops a couple of times per day since restarting digest gold.  His behaviour is intense (crabby, whiny, tantrumy).  I am clearly grasping at straws here.  His doctor (whom I trust and respect) is on maternity leave.  I do not like or trust or respect her PA who is supposedly communicating daily with her.  I feel like my intuition is leading me to this plan (adding clay slowly and increasing probiotic dose).  I REALLY feel like this is the right plan for him. 

 

I just need some feedback and reassurance that this is the right path.  Also, I am nursing him.  I also have gastrointenstinal discomfort and food reactions that I have not ever addressed.  Should I also start on some clay?  We are both currently taking 1 mindlinx per day.  Can we stay on that dose when we start the clay?  How much clay for each of us to start with?  I am of the low and slow breed.... Should I switch to custom probiotics and not worry about the dairy culture (he is not IgE to dairy and I am not sure he is even sensitive to it in anyway.  I just never have been brave enough to try it)   I am anxious to start this as I feel that it will help him.  He has suffered so much with chronic slow transit constipation.  I just want this kid to POOP!  Thanks for reading and I realize that some of these things have been covered in previous posts.  I appreciate a recap for us so I can organize myself in putting together our plan of action. 

 

Jennifer

post #174 of 281
Welcome to the discussion Jenn!

Ok, I have decided to take some action. A break from clay until I get some pascalite in the mail. Seems to be the best stuff on the planet and I felt some progress on it. Sorry to be a complainer up there.

Something serious I need to figure out is I was giving my kids a very small amount of clay in the morning when I was taking it and my dd was fine. But my very sensitive 20 month ds was having horrible poo. And the worse part is after stopping it has been probably 2 weeks, he is still not doing good with his bowels. He is loosing so much weight and now wont even eat. 3 days of not eating and he vomits all the time too. I was desperate and bought him Md's french fries to get him to eat something. And all he does now is nurse. He has bony ribs, diaper is now too big, pants fall off and is even thin in his face. Could be a bug but I am worried that the clay cleaned him out too much. I think that he may need some probiotics to rebuild? I have got to do something fast as he is not good.
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Welcome to the discussion Jenn!

Ok, I have decided to take some action. A break from clay until I get some pascalite in the mail. Seems to be the best stuff on the planet and I felt some progress on it. Sorry to be a complainer up there.

Something serious I need to figure out is I was giving my kids a very small amount of clay in the morning when I was taking it and my dd was fine. But my very sensitive 20 month ds was having horrible poo. And the worse part is after stopping it has been probably 2 weeks, he is still not doing good with his bowels. He is loosing so much weight and now wont even eat. 3 days of not eating and he vomits all the time too. I was desperate and bought him Md's french fries to get him to eat something. And all he does now is nurse. He has bony ribs, diaper is now too big, pants fall off and is even thin in his face. Could be a bug but I am worried that the clay cleaned him out too much. I think that he may need some probiotics to rebuild? I have got to do something fast as he is not good.


I have never seen or heard anything like that in relation to clay.  anywhere.  I'm now fairly concerned about the clay you were using.  As I said, I've been taking clay personally as have my extended family (siblings, parents, niece, nephew) as well as taught classes on it to many who have done it on their own, not to mention clients.  Granted, I'm taking larger amounts now, but this is not anything I've ever seen or heard of.  I'm really wondering if what has made the difference was the pascalite-which as most of you know what all I recommended for many years, even here on MDC.  There are people out there using high amounts daily who had very troubled digestion and don't have issues with their teeth or losing appetite.  You said that the clay you purchased tasted like sewage-and this has me very troubled as I said when you told me.  Did you ever contact that company?

 

I love my sodium bentonite and my pascalite.  Other clays I have tried haven't been as pleasant or comfortable to take-yet all the literature out there states that with slight variations clay is clay.  HOWEVER we do know there is something extra special about pascalite.  The only issue is that it's pricey as all get out. 

 

I don't think the clay cleaned him out too much simply because I've been researching this for a long time and I've never ever heard anything like that unless it was used with psyllium (which I don't ever recommend in any situation ever.)  I am thinking though that we need to stick to pascalite.  Probiotics would be fine, of course at this stage.  There are a lot of bugs around too, so that's not entirely out.  But still-I think for him you need to lay off anything like this (probiotics are of course generally recommended at times like this) until you find what works for you-which seems to have been pascalite.

 

*since this is something I am exploring I don't have all the information.  I can make educated guesses based on what I've seen/read/experienced but that's about it.  I can tell you what I've done successfully with my kids and what others have as well.  The FDA says it's GRAS.  But if you start something and see that it's not helping then it's probably best to back off until you can determine why and consult with someone when necessary.

 

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The only clay I ever gave to my son was the pascalite so he did react to that. I took the nasty clay when I ran out of pascalite and that was only for 3 days until I decided that something was just not right. Then I switched to a small 1/2 tsp per day of sodium bentonite that tasted very mild. I am stopping that until I get some pascalite. I contacted the sewage taste clay company and they offered a refund but it isn't worth it without a shipping refund so I am stuck with 44 lbs of junk clay. The company said in all of the thousands of customers, I am the only one who complained of the taste and they said they even supply many of the major calcium bentonite companies on the internet and sell to many high end spas.
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The only clay I ever gave to my son was the pascalite so he did react to that. I took the nasty clay when I ran out of pascalite and that was only for 3 days until I decided that something was just not right. Then I switched to a small 1/2 tsp per day of sodium bentonite that tasted very mild. I am stopping that until I get some pascalite. I contacted the sewage taste clay company and they offered a refund but it isn't worth it without a shipping refund so I am stuck with 44 lbs of junk clay. The company said in all of the thousands of customers, I am the only one who complained of the taste and they said they even supply many of the major calcium bentonite companies on the internet and sell to many high end spas.


wow.  they didn't offer a shipping refund?

 

I have no answers for the pascalite.  I have never heard that-adding it to my notes.

 

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Originally Posted by gigismom View Post

finally joining into this fun... I have been trying to get through this whole thread for many days and still only made it to page 8.  Dh is on his way home from work so I wanted to post before that so I can hopefully focus.

 

I am needing something new for ds and even before starting to read this thread, I intuitively felt that increasing his dose of probiotics is where we need to go.  I also have been thinking that we need to add in clay lately.  This is something we have never used so I really don't know anything about it so I appreciate this thread very much.  Here is some background...  ds is 3 with multiple IgE food allergies and has had anaphylaxis to tree nuts and eggs and fish (also allergic to peanut and soy).  We have been on GAPS for a number of months.  We tested his stool and found that he had no lactobacillus and very little bifido and instead had klebsiella.  Md prescribed Viracen (antibacterial to kill the bad bacteria), Digest Gold and probiotics (she wanted him on Klaire labs but I opted for Pharmax mindlinx caps to avoid FOS and dairy culture).  We did this for months (maybe 7 to 8?) during that time there was a point that he pooped daily easily though his stools were always runny and weird.  We retested his stool this past January.  He still had no lactobacillus and his bifido was lower than previous test but klebsiella was gone.  After initial questions of why no lactobacillus after supplementing the good probiotics for so long I came to the conclusion that the Viracen was killing all the bacteria.  We stopped the Viracen.   Md also said stop Digest Gold which did not make sense to me so we didn't initially.  I upped his mindlinx to 2 per day (8 Billion per dose) for about 2 weeks.  Then I slowly stopped the digest gold.  His poop spaced out to once a week again.  (he also holds bms which complicates the issue).  Two days ago, we started the digest gold again.  He has had small runny poops a couple of times per day since restarting digest gold.  His behaviour is intense (crabby, whiny, tantrumy).  I am clearly grasping at straws here.  His doctor (whom I trust and respect) is on maternity leave.  I do not like or trust or respect her PA who is supposedly communicating daily with her.  I feel like my intuition is leading me to this plan (adding clay slowly and increasing probiotic dose).  I REALLY feel like this is the right plan for him. 

 

I just need some feedback and reassurance that this is the right path.  Also, I am nursing him.  I also have gastrointenstinal discomfort and food reactions that I have not ever addressed.  Should I also start on some clay?  We are both currently taking 1 mindlinx per day.  Can we stay on that dose when we start the clay?  How much clay for each of us to start with?  I am of the low and slow breed.... Should I switch to custom probiotics and not worry about the dairy culture (he is not IgE to dairy and I am not sure he is even sensitive to it in anyway.  I just never have been brave enough to try it)   I am anxious to start this as I feel that it will help him.  He has suffered so much with chronic slow transit constipation.  I just want this kid to POOP!  Thanks for reading and I realize that some of these things have been covered in previous posts.  I appreciate a recap for us so I can organize myself in putting together our plan of action. 

 

Jennifer


quoting myself still hoping to get some feedback on the above.   I purchased hydrated sodium bentonite clay from WF today.  It is Sonnes's #7.  Is this a good one?  It was the only one they had in stock and I am anxious to get this started.  DS had a terrible night last night.... scratching and thrashing around in his sleep, frequent waking.  He is tantrumy today and very gassy.  All of this I guess is die off from restarting the enzymes.   Here are my specific questions:

 

For me:

 

Start with small amount (1/4 to 1/2tsp) 1x per day then increase to 2x per day then 3x per day all if tolerated and then increase amount

 

Should I continue to take probiotic that I normally take during this time?

 

How much clay do I work up to before increasing the probiotic?

 

For DS:

 

Start with 1/4 tsp max 1x per day and increase as above as long as well tolerated?

 

Again, continue with probiotic since he has been it for a long time, right?

 

Should he continue to take the Digest Gold at this time?  I am thinking yes as it seems to be causing some die off which is why I am looking forward to trying the clay in the first place

 

He takes the digest gold before his evening meal... I was thinking to give him the clay with meals as it was mentioned somewhere in previous post that this was better for those with food issues.  How will this interact with the enzymes?  Should I not give the clay at evening meal?  or which one should I give first?

 

Again, what is the goal dose of clay before increasing probiotic? 

 

Sorry if any of these questions are percieved as stupid.  I think the only stupid question is one left unasked.  I really hope to get some guidance as I am trying so hard to help him.   I am learning and am humbled as usual by all the knowledge and patience and commitment to help others that I have found on this board. 

 

Jennifer

 

post #179 of 281

Sorry, Jennifer, I am fumbling my way through this also, so I don't feel qualified to advise anyone. hug2.gif

 

For myself, I started with 1/4 teaspoon (t) of clay in the afternoon and 1/4 t in the evening on the first day. (No probiotics at all.)

Day 2 - 1/4 t am & 1/4 t noon & 1/4 t pm

Day 3 - 1/2 t am & 1/2 t pm

Day 4 - 1/2 t am & 3/4 t pm

Day 5 - 1 t am & we'll see about 1 t pm (today)

 

I am using pre-hydrated clay, so my amounts are super tiny from what I understand. My body is quite sensitive, so this felt right. I had planned to take it several times a day (3-4 times), but that just isn't realistic these days. It is all good for me. I feel movement in my digestive tract that is mild and completely manageable at this point.

 

I've experienced interesting discharges and "output" thus far. Stools are well-formed and brown this whole time, which is not always the case otherwise. The smell has changed a few times (odorless several times) and the use of tp has changed several times (very little required a few times) and the frequency is all over the map (1 to 5 times per day). Urine is all over the map in terms of color, clarity, odor, and sediment, which is very unusual. Frequency is consistent, which is typical. Vaginal discharge was clear, slippery, odorless for two days (figured I was ovulating). Yesterday it was white, medium consistency, mild odor (slightly sweet), but very low volume (pencil eraser size dot on panties, twice). Vaginal discharge (other than ovulation & menstrual fluids) is not common for me. My face has several pimples on my chin (not uncommon) and a few in various stages on my cheeks (very uncommon). All whiteheads with redness surrounding the immediate pimples, plus a splattering of other redness (light red, not really noticeable to others) around my face (uncommon). And, I have quite uneven texture on my face these last few days...lots of little bumps, but not irritating in any way. It feels like my skin is letting stuff out...unsightly to me, but actually feels healthy/good... ???

 

In fact, all of the discharges have felt "cleansing" versus "irritating". Gentle release is how I would describe it thus far...

 

I have had several mild headaches, too, and I don't care for headaches at all. (Who does??? LOL) I haven't taken anything for them. I have cell salts, but the nature of the headaches keeps changing and I haven't been able to pin the symptoms down enough to treat them. Our weather has been wacky, too, so I figured it was that more than anything else until I was typing this out... Now I am wondering if they are mild detox headaches???

 

Does this all sound typical so far? Any cell salt or flower essence support ideas?

post #180 of 281

So far, DS is taking 1-1.5 tsp clay per day (he is 8); DD2 is taking around 1 tsp (she is 3); I have taken about 1 tsp for a couple days too.  I'd like to increase mine, but DD2 might be at her dose, plus it's harder to hide and get into her.  We're probably going to keep at this another week or so before starting probiotics.  I've mainly noticed poop differences in DD2, she is going a little bit more often and having higher output, I think.  I haven't been taking it long enough to notice a whole lot, but I do think I get a little intestinal discomfort so far, but nothing horrible.

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