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post #241 of 281

He had a very bad experience last night.  He had not had a bm since Sunday so I gave him an epsom salt bath.  After playing for awhile in the tub, he suddenly starting scratching and crying that his bottom itched and he had to poop.  By the time I was able to get him out of the tub, dried and into a diaper he had scratched himself to the point of bleeding.  I tried so hard not to let him scratch.  He then had multiple liquid bms for about the next 30 minutes.  Every time he had a bm I had to change him immediately because his bottom burned and itched so bad.   I think we went through 6-7 diapers.   He also passed a lot of gas.   He was crying the whole time.  Finally, when he was done, I used a prescription antifunal cream from the ped because I did not know what else to do to help him.  He had instant relief of the itching.  He has been much better today with much less gas and no abdominal distention and 2 tiny liquidy bms.   I have a friend irl who uses homeopathy for her kids and suggested using sulphur or lycopodium.  I know nothing about these so am hesitant.   His MD gave us (we purchased) a homeopathic cream that has candida parapsilosis and penicillum frequentans.  I am supposed to be massaging this into his abdomen 3 times per day but it hasn't made its way into our routine yet.  I am definitely going to try the castor oil packs and am planning to wait before I increase the probiotic just to see how he does.  I agree he needs to increase eventually but just want to go slow at this point.  We all hate to see him suffer so and this has been so stressful for my girls too.  They were both crying last night seeing him.  greensad.gif

post #242 of 281

Thought I'd update again as things seem to change by the minute over here... He had another episode of abdominal cramping and gas today.  I placed a castor oil pack across his abdomen and he sat and rocked in the chair for about 30 to 40 minutes with it in place while I fed him lunch.  Then he started playing and shortly there after had a large bm which was as close to "normal" consistency as he has every had in his life.  He was still a bit itchy after but not as bad as Thursday night.  So we are still holding strong at the starting dose of probiotic (25 bill cells) for the kids and 50 bill for me.  Everybody is still taking the clay 2x per day.  Hope you are all having a great weekend...

 

jennifer

post #243 of 281

:goodvibes, Jennifer, I don't have any advice, but I hope the rest of the weekend is smooth and easy. 


 

post #244 of 281
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:goodvibes, Jennifer, I don't have any advice, but I hope the rest of the weekend is smooth and easy. 


 



Thanks!  He is doing much better now.  He has had a bm 2 days in a row with no itching, crying or trauma of any sort.  Consistency is good too.  He saw the PA at our doctor's office today and we are starting on some homeopathic remedies that will hopefully help too.  She is going to share our plan with the doctor who is on maternity leave until July and get back to me but she was encouraging of the clay and increased dose on the probiotics and attributed all of the above chaos to die-off..  so we continue to march forward.  he is now taking a rounded baby scoop of custom probiotics

 

jen

 

post #245 of 281
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sounds great!!!!

post #246 of 281

so "they" are starting to get with it as well:

 

"It is now clear that this microbial community is essentially another organ that plays a fundamental role in human physiology and disease."

 

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/3/78/78ps12.abstract

 

I doubt that the paper is worth the electrons it would take for me to request it through interlibrary loan.

 

 

post #247 of 281

so, first of all, forgive me if these questions are answered elsewhere. i've read through most of this thread, but it's all kind of a blur now.

 

my main question is this: does the clay mop up enough of the die-off to make major probiotic doses safe during breastfeeding?

 

also, i'm comfortable w/probiotics and playing with the dosage, but with the clay, how much would you start a one year old on?
 

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Yup!  Cell salts and clay-mother's best friends!  Honestly, if you looked in my purse at any point you'd see what I carry, and have carried for years.  Don't leave home without 'em!  Cell salts, remedies, 2 tinctures, emergency/rescue essences and clay.  I usually have l liquid oxygen as well.  My bag isn't even all that big!

i'm curious to know how/for what you use the clay when out and about. and are there any good books you recommend for getting very familiar with the cell salts?

 

thanks!

post #248 of 281
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so, first of all, forgive me if these questions are answered elsewhere. i've read through most of this thread, but it's all kind of a blur now.

 

my main question is this: does the clay mop up enough of the die-off to make major probiotic doses safe during breastfeeding?

 

also, i'm comfortable w/probiotics and playing with the dosage, but with the clay, how much would you start a one year old on?
 


i'm curious to know how/for what you use the clay when out and about. and are there any good books you recommend for getting very familiar with the cell salts?

 

thanks!




Of course no one can give advice here, but I've not yet heard of a practitioner that is really cautious in any way with probiotics during breastfeeding-though I know many that utilize them for mama and baby.  I've never even heard of any really that use "support" when they do.  I don't like the idea of people being uncomfortable and I have a love affair with clay...so it's a natural progression for me!

 

My kids were taking at least 1/4 tsp each around a year.  Often more-if there was an exposure to allergens and whatnot.

 

In terms of clay in my purse (it is seriously in there) I have had many occasions to use it!  IN case of exposure to allergens, bug bites, bee stings, migraines, digestive upset (diarrhea/vomiting) diaper rashes..the list goes on and on.  I carry it and love it and talk about it constantly (and have for years-just look on MDC alone!) because it's inexpensive, safe, multi-purpose and practical.  Frankly, no home should be without it.  My love is and always will be pascalite, but there are many types of clay.  I think that's the gentlest, and when I say I gave my babies clay it was *always* pascalite.  Not because I felt others weren't safe or effective, but I love and trust pascalite.

 

Cell salts-there are a few good ones, but the most cost effective for starting out is the biochemic handbook.  It's maybe $4 and covers things well-but you can pop over to the cell salt thread in H&H proper and see how many are using them too.

 

HTH!

post #249 of 281
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Of course no one can give advice here, but I've not yet heard of a practitioner that is really cautious in any way with probiotics during breastfeeding-though I know many that utilize them for mama and baby.  I've never even heard of any really that use "support" when they do.  I don't like the idea of people being uncomfortable and I have a love affair with clay...so it's a natural progression for me!

 

My kids were taking at least 1/4 tsp each around a year.  Often more-if there was an exposure to allergens and whatnot.

 

In terms of clay in my purse (it is seriously in there) I have had many occasions to use it!  IN case of exposure to allergens, bug bites, bee stings, migraines, digestive upset (diarrhea/vomiting) diaper rashes..the list goes on and on.  I carry it and love it and talk about it constantly (and have for years-just look on MDC alone!) because it's inexpensive, safe, multi-purpose and practical.  Frankly, no home should be without it.  My love is and always will be pascalite, but there are many types of clay.  I think that's the gentlest, and when I say I gave my babies clay it was *always* pascalite.  Not because I felt others weren't safe or effective, but I love and trust pascalite.

 

Cell salts-there are a few good ones, but the most cost effective for starting out is the biochemic handbook.  It's maybe $4 and covers things well-but you can pop over to the cell salt thread in H&H proper and see how many are using them too.

 

HTH!


thanks! i'm not concerned about general probiotic use during breastfeeding, but about really massive doses that could cause some serious die-off. i've used Klaire, Kirkman labs, and home-brewed kefir & kombucha throughout pregnancy and throughout my older child's 3 years of breastfeeding. but i have recently discovered a major gluten intolerance and possible celiac, so i'm realizing there's some serious gut healing to do. i'm taking a normal dose of Custom Probiotics, but i'd love to really ramp it  up. 

 

thanks for the pascalite recommendation - i will check that out. and i'll find the cell salt thread, too. i have a few, but apart from using them for the symptoms listed on the Hyland's bottle, i'm not really sure how to use them. 

 

thanks for the quick response! 

 

post #250 of 281

Okay, so I have been following this thread from the beginning.  But I'm looking for some guidance how to optimally use the probiotics/clay, along with my normal regimen.

 

I purchased the 6 strain Custom Probiotics blend and have been giving it to myself and my two kids for about a month, ramping up accordingly.  Here's the thing:  I don't feel a difference in myself (ramped up to 1 scoop 2x/day = 400 billion cfu's), and haven't seen (with 3 yo DS - up to 2 child scoops 2x/day = 100 cfu's; he's still having soft, unformed stools) or heard (with 11 yo DD - up to 3 child scoops 2x/day = 150 cfu's) any changes either with them.  I do my best to take it on an empty stomach 1/2 hour before food, and I try to time it the same for the kids, but I've had to first dissolve the probiotic in a little water, then add a splash of juice to get them to drink it (HUUUGGGEEE fight, especially from 11 yo to take just dissolved in water).  Is adding the juice compromising the benefits of the probiotics?  Do I need to try different strains of probiotics, or try a different brand?  (Although it seems that Custom Probiotics is the best price/cfu's)

 

I also want to start using clay (purchased the hydrated clay at HFS to ease into using), but unsure how to time it with the med/supps that I need take in the am!  I ultimately want to give to the kids too, but am going to guinea pig it on myself first!    While other times of the day are less crammed with supps, I'm having trouble figuring out how to fit them all in, especially in the am.  I have about a 2 - 2 1/2 hour time span to fit these in.  So please chime in with some suggestions! 

 

Med/Supps to take in am:

 

To take on empty stomach/away from supps/food

Armour Thyroid - at least 1 hour b4 food

Wobenzym (enzyme) 30- 45 minutes b4 food

Probiotic - 1/2 hour?

Clay - when in relation to other "empty stomach" meds/supps?

 

Other

Isocort (adrenal)

DHEA

Herbal Tincture for adrenal/thyroid

Vitamins/Supps - Multi, Vit C, Fish oils, milk thistle, NAC

Cell Salts

 

TIA for the assistance!

ETA:  My kids are GF, DF and mostly EF.  I generally am GF, DF, but not EF.  Kids had IgG testing about 10 months ago; as DD showed more reactive for more foods, she is the reason that we are GF, DF, and mostly EF (for DS and I, I don't worry about trace or hidden dairy/gluten ingredients, as he hasn't had much exposure to either and didn't test positive for either) and both kids also tested positive for egg.  They both tested positive for a few other things, but the gluten, dairy and egg were the biggies.


Edited by oaksie68 - 4/19/11 at 11:35am
post #251 of 281

I used to have issues with Candida. Two years with a healthy diet and gut healing has made the issues disappear.

 

A month ago, I started taking high dose probiotics to help with pregnancy. I wasn't able to add the clay because the only clay I could afford was Great Plains Bentonite - and I was nervous about possibly taking a lower quality clay (if it is a lower quality).

 

The probiotics made me crave sugar like crazy. Had no idea why, but I just had to have baked goods and sugar.

 

I ran out of the probiotics last week, and I didn't have the money to refill. The past two days, my Candida symptoms have returned. Today was the worst.

 

I plan on buying some more next week. Crazy symptoms, but I have always been out of the norm for things like this.

 

 

post #252 of 281
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that sounds pretty normal to me!  how people judge their issues is through their lenses.  If the symptoms you attribute to candida are gone then it's reasonable to assume that there's no longer an issue.  Unfortunately it's not always true.  What you likely did was upset the tipping point, but it also confirms (in my mind) that you still had healing to do.

 

Great Plains is a great company.  Not at all inferior, just more expensive!

post #253 of 281

Right - I feel like I still have some healing to do. I might try the Great Plains bentonite. It is less expensive - not more-... Its about 8.00 for a 16 fluid ounce bottle.

post #254 of 281
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Right - I feel like I still have some healing to do. I might try the Great Plains bentonite. It is less expensive - not more-... Its about 8.00 for a 16 fluid ounce bottle.



oh no, that is EXTREMELY expensive.  It's not apples to apples.  That may have about 1-2 T. of clay in there.  If you buy it dry and hydrate it yourself you will save a LOT.  A pound (16 ounces) of dry pascalite is $12.

post #255 of 281

How about the bentonite clay from MRH ($5.50 for 1lb)? Is it good quality for internal use? I'm buying some for external use anyway, but might increase the amount to 5lbs if it is good for internal use.

post #256 of 281
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the fine mesh can be...but it ends up costing so much (they're shipping is horrific) so I just go for pascalite for the most part.  Or living clay.

post #257 of 281

Gosh, I better check shipping before I get excited about my order. You are the second person to mention shipping prices. I live on the same coast as MRH, so I guess I've been hoping S&H will be lower for me. redface.gif

 

I didn't see a "fine mesh" option. I have a Vitamix (dry container) among other grinding options. Would that help make a dry clay be more palatable or mixable or ???  Or, is it a different grade issue?

post #258 of 281
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oh no, that is EXTREMELY expensive.  It's not apples to apples.  That may have about 1-2 T. of clay in there.  If you buy it dry and hydrate it yourself you will save a LOT.  A pound (16 ounces) of dry pascalite is $12.



Wow- I had no idea. Thanks for the info. Now on to looking for some already dried pascalite.

 

post #259 of 281

wow, this thread is pretty amazing!!!! I love the idea of increasing the amount of pbx.......and this has me seriously thinking about  it.  I guess Iam having a should'ave, could'ave, but didn't moment ( well longer since it is a looong thread).

We do water kefir, usually about 1/4 - 2 tbls a day, is this something we can try to increase? I have always been cautious of having too much kefir.

Do you mamas give more than is recommended on bought pbx but still  limit the kefir?

Sorry if I am not making sense, but my head is just spinning from reading  thi thread :)

post #260 of 281
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elsewhere we are speculating that probiotics isolated function differently than food based.  The results I'm seeing are with probiotics.  There have been a few that have said they didn't feel so much increasing kefir but the probiotics kicked their butts.  Pat (wuwei) said that it was perhaps that the kefir has more strains of lower potency so when you add them up it's very potent.  But if you use a high potency probiotics with only a few strains those strains can push more.  I find this to be a likely explanation.  HTH!

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