Woudl you let your toddler wear footie pajamas to Target? - Page 8

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by GFNDMom42 

You could be wearing a modest, classy dress and a perfect coif in public, but a muslim would say you are showing your arms, legs, face and hair, so you are inappropriate and even sinful! A good illustration of this is how much of American society finds it inappropriate to show your breast to nurse a child in public, but muslim women do not cover their breasts when nursing in public. It is OK in their religion to show your breasts, but not your face or hair (for women). Seems backwards to us, but it is the norm for them.

Not essentializing or pulling an "us" vs. "them" thing would be cool. Thanks.

[tzs]

Originally Posted by Liquesce 

Originally Posted by GFNDMom42 

You could be wearing a modest, classy dress and a perfect coif in public, but a muslim would say you are showing your arms, legs, face and hair, so you are inappropriate and even sinful! A good illustration of this is how much of American society finds it inappropriate to show your breast to nurse a child in public, but muslim women do not cover their breasts when nursing in public. It is OK in their religion to show your breasts, but not your face or hair (for women). Seems backwards to us, but it is the norm for them.

Not essentializing or pulling an "us" vs. "them" thing would be cool. Thanks.

i am not muslim, but as a religious jewish woman who also covers her hair, arms, and legs in public....i don't find the first post offensive at all. it IS my norm and it does seem backwards to alot of people.

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by tzs 


i am not muslim, but as a religious jewish woman who also covers her hair, arms, and legs in public....i don't find the first post offensive at all. it IS my norm and it does seem backwards to alot of people.

Not trying to make a big thing. Just statements about what is normal for those people, in particular when those statements are not particularly accurate as being representative of the erroneously-perceived-to-be homogeneous group, grate a little bit when one is otherwise happily bopping along in a thread about pajamas. So, yeah ... your personal, individual experience notwithstanding, not essentializing Muslims as a population would still be cool. "I experience ..." =/= essenializing. "Those other people, as a group, think/feel/behave ..." = essentializing.

[tzs]

Originally Posted by Liquesce 

Originally Posted by tzs 


i am not muslim, but as a religious jewish woman who also covers her hair, arms, and legs in public....i don't find the first post offensive at all. it IS my norm and it does seem backwards to alot of people.

Not trying to make a big thing. Just statements about what is normal for those people, in particular when those statements are not particularly accurate as being representative of the erroneously-perceived-to-be homogeneous group, grate a little bit when one is otherwise happily bopping along in a thread about pajamas. So, yeah ... your personal, individual experience notwithstanding, not essentializing Muslims as a population would still be cool. "I experience ..." =/= essenializing. "Those other people, as a group, think/feel/behave ..." = essentializing.

i get it....although this has shaped up to be quite the political pajama thread!

btw....i ran to the car today to get something i had forgotten in my yoga pant pjs and i felt like a scuzbucket...something about going outside in what you've just slept in....

just to add to the original thread.
 

[earth2birth]

Yes, I would allow it.

Nothing wrong with footies. Have you ever seen what people wear in boy stores:)

[onyxravnos]

I would just like to say that all this week DS2 has worn nothing but footie Pj's. at home, at the store, at the mall. EVERYWHERE!

 Normally we get dressed before we leave the house for the day but this thread has inspired me. :D

[Honey693]

We went to the library today and saw a little boy in dinosaur jammies and huge rubber rain boots and I automatically thought of this thread..  That kid rocked the jammie look.  He looked so happy and my DD was yelling Look at the dino pants mommy! 

[GFNDMom42]

Originally Posted by Liquesce 

 

Not essentializing or pulling an "us" vs. "them" thing would be cool. Thanks.

Post deleted- enjoy  

[marispel]

Ladies - I just want to apologize for my post.  I was in a terrible mood and I admit - I'm judgemental.  Gesh.  I do look at others and think the worst instead of thinking good things.  I swear, it's not you...it's me and I'm truly sorry.   Of course if I see you, the mom, walking around Wal-mart with PJs, Slippers and Curlers in your hair...I'm gonna judge, but you're just asking for it and I have my limits

I deleted my post because it was just too harsh and I honestly need to do a better job at not judging.  It's a work in progress...

[GFNDMom42]

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Edited by GFNDMom42 - 3/5/11 at 2:09pm

[GardenStream]

I didn't read the posts other than the first page and the last page and I have no idea what's happening a few posts above me....

Yes, I would let either of my boys go to the store in footie pajamas. I probably wouldn't even make them wear shoes while walking around inside the store.

Both of my boys have totally rocked the footie pajamas and rain boots look in public. It's definitely not something I'm going to allow myself to stress over.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by marispel 

Ladies - I just want to apologize for my post.  I was in a terrible mood and I admit - I'm judgemental.  Gesh.  I do look at others and think the worst instead of thinking good things.  I swear, it's not you...it's me and I'm truly sorry.   Of course if I see you, the mom, walking around Wal-mart with PJs, Slippers and Curlers in your hair...I'm gonna judge, but you're just asking for it and I have my limits

See, I don't see this as apologizing.  Telling parents who are teaching their children to not care about society's stupid rules and to wear what's comfy/cool to them that they're asking for it isn't an apology.  At all.  I'd just leave it at your judgmental and stop blaming it on everyone else.

[november]

Nope. PJs are for in the house only.

[MusicianDad]

Originally Posted by Honey693 

See, I don't see this as apologizing.  Telling parents who are teaching their children to not care about society's stupid rules and to wear what's comfy/cool to them that they're asking for it isn't an apology.  At all.  I'd just leave it at your judgmental and stop blaming it on everyone else.

That... Apologies don't generally have the phrase "your're just asking for it" in them. I maybe wearing curlers and a bathrobe at target, but you are the one responsible for your judgements.
 

[number572]

OP, I was watching some mainstream news on Hulu.com, and here's an ABC Nightline segment on this topic.  Its the 3rd of the 3 segments on this show, so you have to skip toward the end.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/221225/abc-nightline-thu-mar-3-2011?c=

Edited by number572 - 3/5/11 at 4:01pm

[stormborn]

Theoretically. Neither of mine will wear anything but underwear to sleep, but if we owned PJs it would be allowed without a second thought.

That's one of the great perks of being a toddler IMO; you get to do all sorts of stuff that will be socially unacceptable  when you grow up!

[MusicianDad]

Originally Posted by number572 

I was watching some mainstream news on Hulu.com, and here's an ABC Nightline segment on this topic.  Its the 3rd of the 3 segments on this show, so you have to skip toward the end.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/221225/abc-nightline-thu-mar-3-2011?c=

Hulu is only available within the United States, just to let you know.

[HollyBearsMom]

This is an apology??? I feel sorry the people in your "real" life.... 
 

Originally Posted by marispel 

Ladies - I just want to apologize for my post.  I was in a terrible mood and I admit - I'm judgemental.  Gesh.  I do look at others and think the worst instead of thinking good things.  I swear, it's not you...it's me and I'm truly sorry.   Of course if I see you, the mom, walking around Wal-mart with PJs, Slippers and Curlers in your hair...I'm gonna judge, but you're just asking for it and I have my limits

I deleted my post because it was just too harsh and I honestly need to do a better job at not judging.  It's a work in progress...

[Cynthia Mosher]

Originally Posted by GFNDMom42 

You could be wearing a modest, classy dress and a perfect coif in public, but a muslim would say you are showing your arms, legs, face and hair, so you are inappropriate and even sinful! A good illustration of this is how much of American society finds it inappropriate to show your breast to nurse a child in public, but muslim women do not cover their breasts when nursing in public. It is OK in their religion to show your breasts, but not your face or hair (for women). Seems backwards to us, but it is the norm for them.

The different cultural norms are a valid (and very interesting) part of this discussion. Still I don't want to carry this off any further into religious belief stuff but I have to correct this inaccurate statement -  "It is OK in their religion to show your breasts, but not your face or hair (for women)."

That is not at all accurate. Islam does not say it is "OK" for women to show their breasts. I see many Muslim women from many different countries breastfeed in public they all avoid exposing their breasts except in the company of women. 

[SandraMort]

I've also chosen to take my smaller kids out in pajamas for MY convenience, though admittedly when they were too young to have an opinion.  My kids, all four of them, hate socks and shoes, and will kick them off regardless of the weather.  In the wintertime, it's a LOT easier to put footie pj's on them than it is to keep socks on!!!  And if wanting them to stay warm makes me a bad mom, so be it.  :)