They want to put vaccines in our food?!

[sosurreal09]

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=912

Great! Read it somewhere else too. They are working on potatoes, and some other stuff!

[Otto]

Originally Posted by sosurreal09 

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=912

Great! Read it somewhere else too. They are working on potatoes, and some other stuff!

Actually, it states that they're not trying it out with potatoes or any marketed foodstuffs any more.

[sosurreal09]

Yea supposedly. I totally do not believe that. Can you say cover up?  It does say they will be doing it for edible leaves though. Here are some other articles about it.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/twr127d.htm

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9605/27/biotech.bananas/index.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KWZ/is_6_3/ai_113301732/

[elus0814]

That site is a bit to 'conspiracy theory' for my taste. Just because there are experiments with something going on doesn't mean someone is out to get you. 

If you're concerned about GM foods you can buy organic. 

[BeckyBird]

There have been times throughout history when they were "out to get you". But somehow, America has turned into some magical fairy tale country, where nothing bad will ever happen to us ever again.

Oh wait, no it isn't!  They are dosing us with Fluoride in the water, Aspartame in our food (they are poisons, look it up.) Depleted Uranium in weapons that our very own troops use, and you better believe the government knows how dangerous--deadly--DU exposure is to the troops. They are approving GMO's, although the studies all show how dangerous they are. Oh, and do you think organic is the way to go? Well check this out---

http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1294632/the-organic-elite-surrenders-to-monsanto

Should I go on?

It bugs me that people can slap the "conspiracy theorist" label on us, when we are merely showing concern. Asking questions and expressing concern should not be frowned upon. We don't all believe the government is out to get us, but we do need to use our voices when something is wrong. I believe that putting vaccines in our food is just wrong.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by elus0814 

That site is a bit to 'conspiracy theory' for my taste. Just because there are experiments with something going on doesn't mean someone is out to get you. 

If you're concerned about GM foods you can buy organic. 

 The site is merely relaying info from other sources. Do you think The Daily Mail, New Scientist, The BBC and Your World Biotechnology and you, are conspiracy rags?

It irks me when anything or anyone that speaks out against societal norms is labeled a conspiracy thoerist. It also amazes me the trust some people have in our governement. This is the same government that supported compulsory surgical sterilization which is now recognized as a crime against humanity. The US was the first country to carry out eugenics-driven sterilization. Eugenicists believed that human beings should be selectively bred. Their goal was to weed out defective persons from society. This was done all for the greater good  and to protect public health. In 1926 the US supreme court upheld the legailty of this practice (that first started in 1907) The majority wrote "Three generation of imbeciles are enough".

How about some other gems from our governments history - The Tuskegee experiments - Sponsored by the US Public Health Service.

In 1946 The US Public health Service and NIH sponsored  a vaccine experiemnt that intentionally infected 700 institutionalized Guatemalans with an STD. This study was covered up for 64 years.

These are just a few examples that when you read about them, would certainly have sounded like conspiracy theories at that time. The bottom line is that our government and the medical establishment will justify just about anything in the name of "the greater good"

ETA - funny after I posted this this am - just came across this article http://www.opposingviews.com/i/shameful-u-s-gov-t-experimented-on-disabled-prisoners  yet more examples!

Edited by Marnica - 3/1/11 at 1:05pm

[rush2ady]

There are already all sorts of toxins in what we call "food".  Just read some labels in the grocery store.  If there is a way to make a profit from adding vaccines in the mix, I'm sure it will be done.  It's not a huge leap from genetically mutated food to vaccines in food.

[BeckyBird]

Remember when it was a conspiracy theory to say that cigarettes were bad for you? Mysteriously, conspiracies don't exist in America anymore.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Remember when it was a conspiracy theory to say that cigarettes were bad for you?

Not really, no. The harm from smoking was plainly elaborated over years and years in the scientific literature.

[BeckyBird]

Doctors used to endorse cigarettes. The cigarette companies knew that people trusted doctors, so they were used in advertising.  But that was a million years ago.

Today, there are other concerns, and some of us don't automatically trust the official stories we're given. We should not be persecuted for being skeptical and asking questions. 

If you want a fresh conspiracy theory to argue over, why not look up Dr.Doug Rokke, former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project. Wait, the government claims DU is not harmful. So Dr.Rokke, Pentagon's most senior DU expert during the first Gulf War, must be lying!

The same people who are blatantly lying about one subject (safety of DU, sodium fluoride in the water, aspartame, etc.)  are the same people who advise us on the safety of vaccines.  If  I can't trust them on one subject,  I can't trust them on Any subject.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Doctors used to endorse cigarettes. The cigarette companies knew that people trusted doctors, so they were used in advertising.

Sure.^† That's different from the claim that asserting that cigarettes are harmful was once treated as a "conspiracy theory."

[ETA.--As opposed to the modern day, in which one can find stuff like this.]

^†So did babies.

Edited by Otto - 3/2/11 at 2:30am

[sosurreal09]

WOW that is nuts! (the baby promoting cigs) I can not trust the government to "do what's best for us" I mean come on not too long ago formula was recommended over breast milk because it was "more scientific" I don't want scientific! I want healthy and natural and already been tested since the beginning of humankind kind of testing. Genetically Modifying anything and putting a vaccine in it is like a double no no. I do not want to unwillingly vax my child or myself. I know GMO seeds do spread to organic farms. I know if they do start producing this it would be hard to avoid. I have friends who don't even eat organic at all, what do I do when I go over there? I already feel like crap that I feed us the food their, then to know it may have vax in it too. Guess I will have to prepare my food ahead of time and hope she understands. I am sure that will go over great. I am way more afraid of GMO food than pesticides. Since we have no way of knowing what is GMO or not I am even more terrified. I just read a story about how GMO hay is causing miscarriages and infertility in cows. So what about when we eat those cows? What about other GMO products? Are they pulling some Bill Gates theories here and trying to control the population? Who knows? I don't. All I know is I don't want to take my chances.

Becky Bird- I still don't get that article. So now GMO seeds are grown and just not sprayed with pesticides and it can be labeled organic? Is that what is going on here or if I buy organic produce am I still safe?

[BeckyBird]

On the subject of GE alfalfa, I found this article describing why organic farmers are upset, and why organic consumers should also be upset. The article is short and to the point:

http://news.change.org/stories/why-farmers-are-worried-about-ge-alfalfa-deregulation

Remind me again--Why do people think they won't put vaccines in our food? That would take care of the pesky anti-vaxxers, right?

[C is for Cookie]

Originally Posted by Otto 

Sure.^† That's different from the claim that asserting that cigarettes are harmful was once treated as a "conspiracy theory."

[ETA.--As opposed to the modern day, in which one can find stuff like this.]

^†So did babies.

Wow... I find this a bit disturbing.

[Carol2000]

If you call that Surgeon General "science," then you don't have a clue. That garbage is just like "creation science," where they carefully select what they want to see and deliberately ignore the evidence that exonerates tobacco. The REAL scientists are locked out. They get away with it because they control the politicians.

[lookatreestar]

 

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

There have been times throughout history when they were "out to get you". But somehow, America has turned into some magical fairy tale country, where nothing bad will ever happen to us ever again.

Oh wait, no it isn't!  They are dosing us with Fluoride in the water, Aspartame in our food (they are poisons, look it up.) Depleted Uranium in weapons that our very own troops use, and you better believe the government knows how dangerous--deadly--DU exposure is to the troops. They are approving GMO's, although the studies all show how dangerous they are. Oh, and do you think organic is the way to go? Well check this out---

http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1294632/the-organic-elite-surrenders-to-monsanto

Should I go on?

It bugs me that people can slap the "conspiracy theorist" label on us, when we are merely showing concern. Asking questions and expressing concern should not be frowned upon. We don't all believe the government is out to get us, but we do need to use our voices when something is wrong. I believe that putting vaccines in our food is just wrong.

[amnesiac]

I'm moving this over to the main vax forum. Please remember to remain focused on the vax related topic, with our forum guidelines in mind.

[newmum35]

Thats scary. Now why would they experiment with that if they werent planning to use it someday, kwim?  You dont spend all that time and money for nothing.  I hate it that scientists have messed with the genetics of food like this and GMOs are bad enough but vaccine laced food? I feel like Im living in a sci-fi novel except its the real world I cant close the book on it. Im really sad sometimes for my sons future, his generation, and those who will follow :( they really have the deck stacked against them

[sosurreal09]

Absolutely. It is very scary. I mean GMO's are taking over the entire food sources anyway--there will be no protection from this. I mean MO soy is up to what like 92% and is expected to be 100% GMO by next year...so what then the same with corn, and hay, and eventually all of our crops. Then they can put whatever they want in them and we will be powerless.

Monsanto has said for YEARS that their goal is to make vaccinable (is that a word lol?) foods through genetic modification. So why would they just give that up? I mean come on what's in GMOs right now...gold, viruses, foreign DNA, bacteria, then counteract it with antibiotics...all of that and probably more in a GMO crop...THAT is scary in itself. Now that people are really questioning GMOs they make a statement saying "they are trying to solve world hunger" I do not see how GMOs will solve anything...

The Bible foretold of this.

If anything I trust The Bible more than any man especially when the prophecies are becoming reality...

[Mama Metis]

This concept isn't really novel.  There are already oral vaccines for several diseases. You are not going to be buying these foods in the grocery store. They are simply using these foods as delivery mechanisms, mostly to bring important vaccines to populations in which refrigeration is unavailable and there aren't enough personnel qualified to provide injections. Personally, I prefer oral vaccines when available because I think they can be a more natural mechanism of exposure than an intramuscular injection. Not everything is out to get you.