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post #21 of 35

I am joining this breech discussion, I am just 36 weeks and found out yesterday DD is breech. I think for a while she was transverse but since yesterday she has been fully head up in the center of my belly. I am still very emotional about the discovery. I think it would have been easier had I confirmed this several weeks ago when i did *suspect* she was breech. But, since my OB never confirmed it (she sort of brushed it off and said she "thought she felt feet" in the top of my belly in my last exam at 33 weeks) I am super frustrated i didn't force the issue and confirm it via a quick US which she did yesterday. Ugh. So anyways, like pps, i so did not need this with the other plans I had to prepare for my second natural birth. Now i am completely consumed by getting her to turn. I got my first Webster adjustment today. Seeing the acupuncturist tomorrow, back to the chiro on Monday or Tuesday. Trying hypnosis later this week too. About to get on spinning babies, and have tried the breech tilt  a few times.

 

I am now super freaked out but glad I found it - the pp who posted about the connection of breech to Thyroid. My TSH runs at about 3.0 which isn't enough to have me medicated (I refused it during this pg and my OB was ok with it since i was still in "normal" range), but now I have to wonder if that is why this baby is breech. (My first was not breech and I was on the medication to lower TSH it was about 1.0). My OB did have my TSH tested on Thurs before I left the office, though she never mentioned the connection she could have been thinking about it. Ugh.

 

Wishing FLIPS for all breech babies this weekend!!!

post #22 of 35

Sending some FLIP dust everyone's way!

 

kittn - I am so glad she flipped on her own and didn't have to bother with the version! 

 

yamilee21 - That is so great you have a midwife comfortable to a breech birth if she doesn't turn.  I will say that off all the things I tried, I think moxibustion would have worked had my ligaments not been so tight.  When I did the moxibustion she got very active and I could tell she was "trying" to turn, just couldn't get all the way around.

 

naturalmummy - your LO still has time to flip, good luck!  I have severe hypothyroid and take a high dosage of westhroid to keep it under control.  My naturapath who treats my thyroid mentioned the connection to me when I told him my LO was breech, but when I brought it up to my OB (the one I fired before I found my Dr. Wonderful), she LAUGHED at me and said that was a "nice theory".    I enjoyed firing her :)

post #23 of 35

I'm getting hiccups down low and my tailbone is KILLING me - that means baby's vertex, right? I'm pretty sure this big round thing under my ribs is a butt, but it's hard to tell.

post #24 of 35

gwendolyn98 - thanks. i wish i could be more positive and not just focus on the possibility of a c-section. i am working on it. the thyroid connection has me wondering if going on meds a this point will help at all? i'll at least bring up to my ob this week.

 

minkajane - for me, hiccups were a very poor indicator of position. numerous times i felt her hiccups way down low or in the bottom half of my belly, so i took that as one(false) sign she was head down, when in fact, the whole time (i think) she has really been head up. OB says b/c the hiccups can reverberate through their whole body. even now where DD is clearly heads up i still feel hiccups in lower half of abdomen. i wish i could say it were more accurate. 

 

here's to flipping!

post #25 of 35

naturalmummy - I know how easy it is to become distraught over it and think all the plans for your birth are now out the window!  Once you have tried everything, please don't discount an external version if all else fails.  I'm glad I gave mine a try and would do it again in a heartbeat rather than consent to a RCS.  I know its no for everyone, but at least think about it.  But I have a good feeling your LO will flip before you come to that decision.  Go buy lots of moxibustion :)

post #26 of 35

Found out that I have contraindications for an ECV during an ultrasound. My midwives have referred me to an O.B. since they don't do breech deliveries, especially the "kneeling position" breech that my baby is in. No one in the Seattle area delivers breech, and because of what they found in the ultrasound, I don't want to attempt one anyway.

 

On to cesarean birth! Will make it a very special experience.

post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by SeattleMolly View Post

Found out that I have contraindications for an ECV during an ultrasound. My midwives have referred me to an O.B. since they don't do breech deliveries, especially the "kneeling position" breech that my baby is in. No one in the Seattle area delivers breech, and because of what they found in the ultrasound, I don't want to attempt one anyway.

 

On to cesarean birth! Will make it a very special experience.

Aww. I have heard of some babies turning right up until the due date. Mine is still breech, I'll have an u/s done right before my due date to determine what type of breech to be sure that a vaginal delivery is still an option. How many weeks are you?
 

 

post #28 of 35
Thread Starter 

Regarding ECV, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it. From researching, it seems like it's more likely to fail than be successful. I have also read that it's extremely painful for some women. It hurts me a lot when my midwife merely checks the baby's position, I can't imagine someone trying to get him to flip. OUCH!

If it gets down to the wire and my options are looking dismal, I may consider it but there is a huge EEEK factor for me.

At this point my midwife seems confident that he'll either flip before delivery or Webster technique will get him to flip. I'm not quite sure I share her optimism but I'm trying.

 

For those of us that breech vaginal delivery is an option, I'd like to share this really cool blog by a midwife in Australia. She has some great breech vaginal birth videos and photos and looking at it has helped calm some of my fears about breech birth.

*Warning* This link does go straight to birth photos:

 

http://www.homebirth.net.au/2011/03/mechanism-of-breech.html

 

 

post #29 of 35

Lauren-I'm 37 weeks. I have a strip of scar tissue that runs directly through my uterus. It butts up against baby's head, which may explain why nothing has worked in turning him.

 

Where do you live that breech vaginal delivery is an option?

post #30 of 35

I have a baby that is still constantly flipping between breech and vertex, which is rough because he/she will settle in the breech position for a few days and get me worried that he/she's stuck. Every few days the baby will flip but one of these days I know he/she is going to have to pick a position and stick to it. lol. I'm just hoping it's the vertex one! As for ECV, my MW has had very positive things to say about women who have ended up needing them. With chiropractic care most babies are able to turn on their own without doing an ECV, but in her experience, of the women who've needed to have the ECV, over 90% of them who had seen a chiro for Webster's had a successful version and baby stayed head down through delivery. The only women who were not successful with the ECV had also not seen a chiro for Webster's. Definitely something to keep in mind. Also, they do ECVs through an OB at the local hospital who has great success with them and they always do them between weeks 36 & 37 because they say that it the best window for getting baby to turn with enough room,but not so much room that the baby will just turn right back around later. My MWs will not induce (ever) so it's not as if their statistics are coming from an ECV followed by an immediate induction.

 

ECVs can be unpleasant, so I've been told, but let me tell ya... after 2 csections I promise you that hurts worse and you will experience MUCH LONGER lasting effects from this (including increased insurance premiums for being "high risk") if you've had a csection. I would much rather do an ECV than have a scheduled csection.

 

Good luck to all of you with breech babies. I've also heard moxibustion is one of those crazy things that seems to have a high success rate. Here's to hoping we all end up with vertex babies and vaginal deliveries!! :-)

post #31 of 35
Thread Starter 

I'm in TN. Some home birth midwives will deliver breech babies. There is also The Farm as an option but that is on the other side of the state from where I am located.
 

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Originally Posted by SeattleMolly View Post

Lauren-I'm 37 weeks. I have a strip of scar tissue that runs directly through my uterus. It butts up against baby's head, which may explain why nothing has worked in turning him.

 

Where do you live that breech vaginal delivery is an option?



 

post #32 of 35
Thread Starter 

There are the risks of ECV to consider. Placental abruption is the main one. I was also told that the ECV would be at the hospital in case of an emergency c-section needed on the spot.

I think the success definitely depends on the skill of the OB performing the procedure. I've never had a c-section and can't imagine it would be pleasant but it would suck so bad to end up with an emergency C due to an ECV. Ugh. So many things to consider!

I've seen a chiropractor twice a week for the past year. He hasn't been doing Webster's because he is not certified for that technique. C'mon babies, get head down and stay that way!

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Originally Posted by EricaRN View Post

I have a baby that is still constantly flipping between breech and vertex, which is rough because he/she will settle in the breech position for a few days and get me worried that he/she's stuck. Every few days the baby will flip but one of these days I know he/she is going to have to pick a position and stick to it. lol. I'm just hoping it's the vertex one! As for ECV, my MW has had very positive things to say about women who have ended up needing them. With chiropractic care most babies are able to turn on their own without doing an ECV, but in her experience, of the women who've needed to have the ECV, over 90% of them who had seen a chiro for Webster's had a successful version and baby stayed head down through delivery. The only women who were not successful with the ECV had also not seen a chiro for Webster's. Definitely something to keep in mind. Also, they do ECVs through an OB at the local hospital who has great success with them and they always do them between weeks 36 & 37 because they say that it the best window for getting baby to turn with enough room,but not so much room that the baby will just turn right back around later. My MWs will not induce (ever) so it's not as if their statistics are coming from an ECV followed by an immediate induction.

 



 

post #33 of 35

SeattleMolly,

Im in the seattle area and I do know midwives that will deliver breech sometimes.  It all depends on the situation.  Do you have an amniotic band, or do you know what the scar tissue is caused by?  Im assuming you have tried mayan abdominal massage to help break it up and websters..

 

Also, as far as a doctor goes, if you are willing to do the drive, you might try contacting Dr. Gramann in Enumclaw.  I know someone who he delivered breech vbac about 4 years ago  now and many people that have had successful vbacs with him recently, just havent known anyone else that had a breech baby and consulted with him.

post #34 of 35

 

Hi ladies - just wanted to check in to see if we've had any flippers in the group. Not here yet. It's been just over a week since the official discovery of her position. I was getting obsessed and overwhelmed by my efforts to make her turn. I have gone through 2 moxa sticks (need to find some more), have gotten 2 Webster adjustments, had a hypnosis session and 3 acupuncture sessions but after the 3rd session she did not want to treat me anymore b/c she felt like there was a "reason" the baby wasn't moving. Her reaction made me nervous and frustrated but not entirely sure where she is coming from - earlier on she had said it can take 2 weeks?! anyways, i am thinking of finding someone else this week who may be more specifically targeted to pregnant woman and even turning breech.

 

i did get some positive news at my last OB appt on Thurs. They did an us and said that I/DD have everything possible "going for us" for a possible natural turn or EV-- good amount of fluid, baby is very active and not engaged yet, good placental placement and second-baby uterus benefits. So that was encouraging. I even got the name of 2 possible OBs at my hospital who would (possibly) attend a breech vaginal birth, so I am looking into them (but I think they are long shots).

 

There is a chance I'll be going in for EV this week but could be next. I am so sick of obsessing over this and just want this baby to turn!!!

 

I have looked through spinning babies too and was wondering if anyone has had luck or heard of luck with the head stand in the pool. I was thinking of heading to a pool this week to give it a whirl.


 

 

 

post #35 of 35

I think mine has gone back to transverse... I don't feel that hard little head right under my chest any more. Not sure about the position at all. My midwife is going to attempt to turn the baby tomorrow (not ECV in the hospital).

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