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post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by happysmileylady View Post




Yes, I did, but my post was really more in general, rather than directed specifically at you.  I only quoted you becase that statement was a good example, quotes or not.  I apologize that I made it seem like I was specifically directing my post at you.

 

The reality is that in a lot of AP circles, a large number of people really do feel that AP choices actually are the best/right choices, and that other options are wrong.  That's why people think things like "she's not even going to TRY BF?" and "she wouldn't even TRY the sling, she had to have the latest and greatest stroller" and "why on earth would ANYONE turn their child FF before age 4 when RF is SO much safer?"  (and yes, I know RF and FF on not specifically AP principles, but a lot of AP folks also do extended RF) I find that a lot of moms who lable themselves as AP are so passionate about that lable that they tend to see choices as the right/best way and then not, vs just simply different.  Breast is best, therefore those who don't choose the best aren't doing the best for their babies and it's wrong not to do the best we can for our babies-that's the type of thinking I experience a lot in AP circles. 



No apologies necessary...I just wanted to make sure that you didn't misunderstand my statement. Thanks for clarifying. 

post #22 of 25
First, LindaOnTheMove, your post was beautiful and something that I will think on a lot. Thank-you.
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The reality is that in a lot of AP circles, a large number of people really do feel that AP choices actually are the best/right choices, and that other options are wrong.  That's why people think things like "she's not even going to TRY BF?" and "she wouldn't even TRY the sling, she had to have the latest and greatest stroller" and "why on earth would ANYONE turn their child FF before age 4 when RF is SO much safer?"  (and yes, I know RF and FF on not specifically AP principles, but a lot of AP folks also do extended RF) I find that a lot of moms who lable themselves as AP are so passionate about that lable that they tend to see choices as the right/best way and then not, vs just simply different.  Breast is best, therefore those who don't choose the best aren't doing the best for their babies and it's wrong not to do the best we can for our babies-that's the type of thinking I experience a lot in AP circles. 


I love this thread, because this is something I am working out, too.

I am one of those APers who does see my choices (or at least the choices I am striving towards as a mother) as better. Not just better in a 'ha, my clothes are better than yours' kind of way, but in a fundamental, societal, universal kind of way. Like, I would lobby politically to impose higher RF ages for kids in cars, I do often lobby for breastfeeding rights (and by extension, the right of children to breastfeed, regardless of the mother's 'choice'). Also the correlating supports for mothers and families that would need to be in place to make that work. I support legislation to ban circumcision. Not because I feel that I don't respect a parent's right to parent, but because I believe in fundamental rights for children, despite their parents. I'm a weird homeschooler who actually supports the UN's Convention on the Right of the Child and would very much like to see it ratified here in the US.

So. I completely understand that political beliefs and aims ought to stay out of social situations sometimes in the interest of harmony. I also get that it is not my job to go about righting every wrong, especially when the wrong is perhaps a matter of opinion. I want to be a gracious and warm person and friend. I'm not sure just how to balance these things in the right way in every situation, so I am sometimes at odds, too.

Of course, I also find that I am at odds even when I say *nothing*, just because of the way I parent. Not necessarily in conflict with someone, but definitely on the receiving end of a weird look, an uncomfortable vibe. For instance, a parent at church once asked me about breastfeeding, because i was breastfeeding at the time. I forget the question. The follow-up question was about how much formula I had used. I replied that I had never used formula. Another mother, a close friend of mine, was standing by and she jumped in and said, "well, MammaG stays at home, so she can do that". I felt as though I was being reprimanded for even admitting that we had never used formula somehow. It hadn't been a judgy conversation, you know? It hurts sometimes.

All that said, I sort of wish I had known a few AP mothers who were vocal about their choices before I had my first baby. I very quickly came to find this AP path for me and my family, but it would have been an easier path if I had had someone to talk to about it before my oldest was a toddler! I guess I hope to be that voice for someone. I also hope that in being vocal I can avoid hurting anyone. Tough line.

Anyway, I will follow this thread. It is something I am thinking about a lot.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by MamieCole View Post

I think the most important thing to remember is that it isn't your place to judge. Make the decisions that are best for you and your family. Let others do the same for theirs, even if you know that their choices aren't the "best." I know it is hard.

 

I remember the feeling of wanting to shout from the rooftops when I was at the beginning of my natural parenting journey. "If only people KNEW what I know they'd make the same decisions I make because to not do so is just so WRONG! So I must make sure everyone KNOWS!!" 

 

Shockingly, people don't respond to that method so well. shrug.gif

 

The best way to facilitate change is to just live your life. Other people ARE watching. You are making a difference just by being you and making the choices you make. 

 

 

 

 

This, pretty much word for word. Lead by example, and give people advice or information when they ask for it, but don't assume your way is the only way or even the right way for anyone else. It's just your way.

 

That doesn't mean you shouldn't pass judgment, IMO. Judging right from wrong, good from bad, smart from stupid, etc. is what helps us to make better decisions and choices for ourselves. But no one wants to be preached to and people get really resistant when you try to educate them "for their own good". I have found much inner peace by keeping my opinions to myself unless asked for them. The only exception to this, for me, is on the matter of circumcision, which I gently ask about/offer information on exactly one time and then let go after that. This is because my own son is intact thanks to some careful, gentle questioning by an intact friend, to whom I feel forever indebted. love.gif

 

Incidentally, this sort of thing is precisely why I no longer have a Facebook account. Seeing other people's status updates or political/social rants and the drama that ensued was too stressful for me. I found my heart racing and blood pressure rising on a daily basis, almost always when a friend posted something that was intended as a harmless rant but turned into some ridiculous snark war. No thanks!

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by MammaG View Post

First, LindaOnTheMove, your post was beautiful and something that I will think on a lot. Thank-you.


I am one of those APers who does see my choices (or at least the choices I am striving towards as a mother) as better. ....All that said, I sort of wish I had known a few AP mothers who were vocal about their choices before I had my first baby. I very quickly came to find this AP path for me and my family, but it would have been an easier path if I had had someone to talk to about it before my oldest was a toddler! I guess I hope to be that voice for someone. I also hope that in being vocal I can avoid hurting anyone. Tough line.
 


Thank you! loveeyes.gif

 

what about taking REAL action? what about starting an AP support group, or becoming a LLL leader, or training to be a doula?

 

I hear all the energy in your post, and I think it's wonderful, but that it should be channeled in a positive direction.
 

Channel the energy into helping people who want help rather than trying to convince people who don't!

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by rizzosanders View Post


Gosh, this is getting long.  Getting my words out in print is helping me work through my thoughts, and so I thank you for that.  Any advice or stories about how you achieve the balance between the two worlds (the one that thinks I'm a kook for parenting this way and for advocating for it, and the world that embraces me for those reasons) would be greatly appreciated.  I'm feeling fragile and out of sorts, and I'm thankful there is a forum such as this where I can discuss it without fear of judgment.  



I don't bother having a facebook account or a blog. I also pick my battles.

 

I know the whole don't judge philosophy aka moral relativity thing is popular now days but frankly some things are flat out wrong and we need people to stand up for them.

 

Also some people are insecure over their choices, as I learned with my BFF when she was so defensive over my HSing. Even though I would never have suggested she HS and I know it would have been a very bad idea for her kids but we would end up having to drop the subject because no matter what I said about what I was doing she turned it into being about her and what she wasn't. Sometimes that can't be avoided no matter how you put it.

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