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post #381 of 421
Monkey- I have ten tablets of 2.5 mg of femera that I can send to you (enough for one cycle), if you can use it. It was from my canceled iui cycle before I did ivf, and we are doing injectibles now, so I wont be using it.
post #382 of 421

rcr - Thanks for the offer. I think I can get it for $10, though, so I should be good. But if we have to repeat this fun, I may hit you up for that. :)

 

Lavatea - That is an interesting idea for a testing receptacle! I'm guessing they're individually wrapped?

post #383 of 421
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Lavatea - That is an interesting idea for a testing receptacle! I'm guessing they're individually wrapped?


Yeah, they are. They have a little silica packet I dump out first. Then I just squeeze the sides in a bit to make it pooch out, hold my tongue just right, and try not to get it all over my hand, lol. ROTFLMAO.gif
post #384 of 421

Right now I am feeling so jealous for all those ladies who get monitored with Clomid. I have been having the worst O pains I've ever had! They got so bad that I was grimacing every time I walked a bit too hard tonight during clinicals. I got my first positive opk last night and got another one this morning, the one I took this evening had started to fade but still looked positive. I'm hoping to fit in another am bd after DH gets home. He switched to an 11pm-7am shift and tonight is the first night. I'm super sad about not getting to sleep with him at night but my puppies are pretty good cuddlers. I feel strangely optimistic about this cycle. Maybe all this pain has me delusional.

post #385 of 421
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Lavatea - That is an interesting idea for a testing receptacle! I'm guessing they're individually wrapped?




Yeah, they are. They have a little silica packet I dump out first. Then I just squeeze the sides in a bit to make it pooch out, hold my tongue just right, and try not to get it all over my hand, lol. ROTFLMAO.gif


 

 

I do the same thing!!  First few times I was running around trying to find something to pee in and then it dawned on me to use the packet!!!  Works like a charm!!!
 

 

post #386 of 421
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A few questions now... does anyone have any idea how much an hCG shot costs, or if there's a cheap source for that? The RE wants us to order through them, even if we don't plan on using it, but I don't want to order something expensive we may not use. Same question for OPKs... since we're not going the IUI route, we're supposed to use them to time intercourse. (Of course, I'll be watching other fertility signs, since I know PCOS can cause false + on OPKs.)

 

Also, my RE said that because of my PCOS, I'm at increased risk for ovarian hyperstimulation. He made it sound like my cysts could all mature into eggs all at once with the Clomid/Femara. I've never heard this before, and I'm curious if anyone else has? I'm especially curious because he said my AMH is high, even for someone with PCOS, and that, along with my ultrasound, indicates I have a LOT of half-baked follicles.

 

Anyway, advice/input/reassurance from anyone who knows anything about this is much appreciated!

 

(Sidenote: Still hate my RE. He keeps talking about how he wants us "In the driver's seat", but utterly fails to mention options (like no IUI, or no hCG shot) until we bring them up!)


HCG - mine costs $80, I have to pay up front at the beginning of the cycle for everything, but only receive the stuff when its needed, so if something doesn't end up being needed, I end up with a credit on my account. However, I only used HCG for IUI cycles, so that the timing is just right. When I did clomid without IUI, there was no HCG shot either.

OPKs - I bought mine from saveontests.com, but they are the dip type. I have never gotten a positive OPK, I don't know if this is anything to do with my PCOS, but they aren't very useful for me.

hyperstimulation - It's certainly true that you could end up with more eggs than you want when stimulated. My first IUI cycle was nearly cancelled for that. But not ALL the follicles mature, it's my understanding that there are always a bunch of small ones that don't come to anything. I have the classic PCOS ovaries on US too, and they respond strongly to the stimulation, and definitely not all the little follicles grew.

Good luck!
post #387 of 421
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I tried Clomid + IUI for three cycles (and one of Clomid alone) with no luck, but the problem wasn't the IUI, it was the Clomid for me... one cycle of Gonal-F + IUI and bam! Embryo(s?)...

I have wondered about that too. Like, if it does turn out that clomid was the issue, and I am switching drugs, should I keep doing IUI as well? But on the other hand, even in situations like yours, I guess you never know whether it was the new drug that fixed the problem, or whether the IUI fixed the problem, but just due to chance you needed 4 IUIs before success.

Anyways, glad to see you still around.
post #388 of 421

Nice to see you, MBA!

 

 

I have been crying all the time the past couple of days, just emotional about everything. Then I got a weird, sharp backache today and realized af had arrived, 3 days early. In other words, this cycle had a luteal phase defect, which must mean only my vitamins (or progesterone cream when I used it) make my luteal phase normal. Go B6! Sooo... once again I am back to the idea that there is still, after all these years, something wrong with me.

 

"The letter" arrived yesterday, saying we have an appointment with the hospital in June. This is the first appointment for couples with infertility. At least I now have something "to give them" with this luteal phase thing. Before today, I had nothing tangible to report. Dh's SA got moved to the future, as we don't really need the results before June anyway and with af, we can't do it this Friday. I am just fine with that, as I, once again, think I am the one with the issues.

 

I am guessing Femara or Clomid might be in my future, just because..... but we will see. I would actually be interested in a closely monitored cycle, with both blood tests and ultrasounds, but I don't know that they will be willing to give me that. Just thinking that MIGHT give some answers. It is a bit sad, though, that we have to keep TTC, even though we would like to adopt. Biological children cost next to nothing here (socialized health care), adopted children cost a lot of money and time.

 

Interestingly, a friend of my mom's had asked about us today. Mom had told her that I have hypothyroidism and things just aren't happening. She had said something about how hypothyroidism causes a lack of progesterone, as she had had both. Apparetly, she took double the dose the doctor had prescribed for (of what?) and ended up with twins, 10 years ago. Now what sense does that make? I am wondering if she means something other than progesterone.... My guess is that she had the twins, naturally, and just thinks the progesterone was capable of causing that. But what do I know...


Edited by LessTraveledBy - 3/29/11 at 9:33am
post #389 of 421

Lavatea and Smiles: Whoa, you folks who are using the packaging for the OPK have some seriously good knowledge of your anatomy and even better aim! I use a glass pickle jar and still manage to get pee everywhere half the time irked.gif.

Speaking of OPKs, I just got my very first smiley face today (first time trying the digitals, I've been squinting at the two lines previously). Gave me quite a thrill! On the other hand, feels like a LOT of waste -- electronic parts, plastic parts -- for a throw-away test. Is it possible to buy just the inserts next time and keep the electronic bit? Or does one have to buy a new complete box each time?

 

Smiley face and all, I'm just waiting for the in-laws to leave so I can jump DH...

post #390 of 421
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Smiley face and all, I'm just waiting for the in-laws to leave so I can jump DH...


LOL! Should I give them a call and tell them it is time to get going? I speak Swedish. ;)

 

post #391 of 421

I'm nervous about the OPKs not working because of my PCOS. One of the digital ones says that it compares your current levels to baseline, so I'm wondering if I should go with that..?

post #392 of 421
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Nice to see you, MBA!

 

 

I have been crying all the time the past couple of days, just emotional about everything. Then I got a weird, sharp backache today and realized af had arrived, 3 days early. In other words, this cycle had a luteal phase defect, which must mean only my vitamins (or progesterone cream when I used it) make my luteal phase normal. Go B6! Sooo... once again I am back to the idea that there is still, after all these years, something wrong with me.

 

"The letter" arrived yesterday, saying we have an appointment with the hospital in June. This is the first appointment for couples with infertility. At least I now have something "to give them" with this luteal phase thing. Before today, I had nothing tangible to report. Dh's SA got moved to the future, as we don't really need the results before June anyway and with af, we can't do it this Friday. I am just fine with that, as I, once again, think I am the one with the issues.

 

I am guessing Femara or Clomid might be in my future, just because..... but we will see. I would actually be interested in a closely monitored cycle, with both blood tests and ultrasounds, but I don't know that they will be willing to give me that. Just thinking that MIGHT give some answers. It is a bit sad, though, that we have to keep TTC, even though we would like to adopt. Biological children cost next to nothing here (socialized health care), adopted children cost a lot of money and time.

 

Interestingly, a friend of my mom's had asked about us today. Mom had told her that I have hypothyroidism and things just aren't happening. She had said something about how hypothyroidism causes a lack of progesterone, as she had had both. Apparetly, she took double the dose the doctor had prescribed for (of what?) and ended up with twins, 10 years ago. Now what sense does that make? I am wondering if she means something other than progesterone.... My guess is that she had the twins, naturally, and just thinks the progesterone was capable of causing that. But what do I know...


LTB - I don't know that one cycle of a slightly short luteal phase counts as a luteal phase defect. I know you've been charting a long time, though, so maybe you're going off of older info, too? And just because you might have a problem doesn't mean your DH doesn't also have one. I think the SA is still a good idea. I hope the specialists don't blow you off. Do you have to tell them up front what treatments you are or aren't comfortable with? Is there a way to steer them toward testing before talking about treatment options?
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Lavatea and Smiles: Whoa, you folks who are using the packaging for the OPK have some seriously good knowledge of your anatomy and even better aim! I use a glass pickle jar and still manage to get pee everywhere half the time irked.gif.

Speaking of OPKs, I just got my very first smiley face today (first time trying the digitals, I've been squinting at the two lines previously). Gave me quite a thrill! On the other hand, feels like a LOT of waste -- electronic parts, plastic parts -- for a throw-away test. Is it possible to buy just the inserts next time and keep the electronic bit? Or does one have to buy a new complete box each time?

 

Smiley face and all, I'm just waiting for the in-laws to leave so I can jump DH...


Lol, it does get on my hand quite often. I just dry up with TP then wash my hands really well. Yay for a smiley!!

AFM - I don't know what the heck is going on with me this cycle. My temps are crazy, I've had very little CM, I have the beginnings of a yeast infection, and I'm peeing like crazy. If I hadn't had AF or all of those negative HPTs, I'd think I was pg. I often get yeast infections when I'm pg. But I just don't think that's the case. Although a surprise-I-didn't-know-I-was-pregnant pregnancy would be awesome. Lol. A girl can dream...
post #393 of 421
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I'm nervous about the OPKs not working because of my PCOS. One of the digital ones says that it compares your current levels to baseline, so I'm wondering if I should go with that..?


monkey, have you used OPKs before and had them not show positives?  I have PCOS and have never had any trouble getting a positive on cheapie OPKs.  Except this month, but it was fading in toward positive one night and I think I just missed the surge, since it was probably 24 hours before I took another one.  Usually when it starts getting darker I will take two a day until I get a positive.  I understand a lot of PCOS'ers don't get positives, but it's not all of us.

 

Thanks, everyone, for the sympathy about the IVF thing.  I think we're going to put it off for a few more months, until DH finds another job.  The one he has now is stressing him out (and possibly killing him), and he's just not a functional person right now.  I have to completely take care of him right now, which is ok, I understand how hard everything is for him right now, but I just don't see how I can give myself injections and deal with the hormones and still make sure the house is clean, meals are cooked, force him to eat, force him to check his blood sugar, keep up with treating his ketoacidiosis, make sure there are clean clothes, and keep up with his doctor's appointments and instructions.  And then, if by some miracle I got pregnant, I would get no TLC, because he just doesn't have the energy to do more than stare at the ceiling when he has downtime.  So I have been trying not to cry all day, but I will be home by myself tomorrow, so I plan on crying all day long, and pigging out on chocolate.  Sorry to skip personals, I just feel like blah.  Oh, and I will go to the appointment at the RE's office in April, to find out what the game plan will be and about money and all that stuff, because we will be doing IVF at some point in the near future.  I'm just sick of the delays.

 

post #394 of 421

Hi, all. I haven't been on for awhile, being overwhelmed with moving and all. In fact, we're still unpacking.

 

I went to see an obgyn about the pains I was getting and I have no cysts, at least. Anyways, for my long cycles, she wanted to give me progesterone starting on CD16 to be taken for 10 days. But since I don't ovulate until ~CD24 nowadays, wouldn't that make me not ovulate at all? Am I missing something here?

post #395 of 421

Kinza - sounds tough right now. I hope some crying it out and major chocolate treatment helps, at least for the short term. My husband will be out of town on business for two days and I plan on eating some serious black bean nachos (my favorite food) and Ben & Jerry's super fudge chunk for dinner both nights. I know food isn't supposed to be used as medicine, but goodness what a pleasure sometimes.

 

Lavatea - The getting the pee on the hand part doesn't worry me -- that happens with the pickle jar too, and I'm so not squeemish about my bodily fluids since this TTC journey started and I've had to learn all about EWCM and such! -- it's that I'm just wildly impressed that you can get ANY pee in that small a package! Darn it, I'm going to try it next time. :)

 

 

LTB - No need for intervention with the in-laws. Thanks for the offer though! They left in good time and I was able to seduce my dh (which involved putting him under my mysterious, feminine, intricately honed spell with the words "you wanna get nekid?")

 

Sweetbee - That's what I thought re:progesterone. I took it (inserts) for one cycle and was told to be sure to take it after ovulation.

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Hi, all. I haven't been on for awhile, being overwhelmed with moving and all. In fact, we're still unpacking.

 

I went to see an obgyn about the pains I was getting and I have no cysts, at least. Anyways, for my long cycles, she wanted to give me progesterone starting on CD16 to be taken for 10 days. But since I don't ovulate until ~CD24 nowadays, wouldn't that make me not ovulate at all? Am I missing something here?

Your doctor is insisting on the idea that you ovulate before cd16, it seems. Or could she be thinking that somehow progesterone would help you to ovulate earlier in the next cycle, even if it causes you not to ovulate at all the first cycle you take it.... No idea. Or more likely, that the sudden drop of progesterone when you stop taking it, would make af come. Not sure either one of these things would actually happen. However, I definitely would not take it until I knew from temps that I indeed had ovulated.

 

Thank you for the comments, lavatea! We will definitely be doing the SA. We want to have as many things settled when we see the doctor in June. Otherwise, from what I hear, it will take months and months until we see them again and until anything will actually happen. I want to go there with a plan, so to speak. While I agree with you that one cycle, normally, is not worth worrying over, I do believe that this is significant for me, based on my past. I started this journey (well, the part of it after hypo meds and all that) by fixing my short luteal phase with vitamins, then later also with progesterone. Now that it was back to too short when I was not on the vitamins or progesterone makes me pretty sure there is something going on there. I am going to get my progesterone labs done this cycle, I hope. That might very well be at least one of the issues for me, as there does seem to be a connection between hypothyroidism and low progesterone. (Thank you, Google.)
 

I am doing so much better today. I really had some awful PMS going on without knowing that was what was causing things.

 


Edited by LessTraveledBy - 3/30/11 at 6:22am
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Hi, all. I haven't been on for awhile, being overwhelmed with moving and all. In fact, we're still unpacking.

 

I went to see an obgyn about the pains I was getting and I have no cysts, at least. Anyways, for my long cycles, she wanted to give me progesterone starting on CD16 to be taken for 10 days. But since I don't ovulate until ~CD24 nowadays, wouldn't that make me not ovulate at all? Am I missing something here?


I thought the same thing. Did you ask her that?
post #398 of 421

LessTraveledBy, Kyamo, thanks for your replies. smile.gif

 

She knows I have long cycles, and she said my options were to:

a. wait another 6 months and see (huh? we're at like a year TTC now)

b. take some "hormones" for 3 months, then take nothing for 3 months before coming back to see her

 

She grew very impatient that I "interrupted" her with a question by asking what the medicine was, and then she ran out of the room with the excuse that she could explain it better to me by going to get the package. confused.gif Then when I tried to look at the package on the table, she snatched it away from me. She just kept saying "hormones" as though I were too dumb to be told the real name. She finally slipped and said "progesterone" after much back and forth of my asking again and again what it does.

 

At that point, knowing what it was finally, I asked whether I need to take the progesterone later than CD16 because my cycles are long. She said no and told me to just take it as she instructed me. I asked, wouldn't that make me not ovulate? She claimed no. She never explained why she wanted me to take the progesterone, just that it could "fix" my cycles. shrug.gif That didn't sound right to me, so I wanted her to explain her thinking. Maybe she wanted to try to regulate me by forcing 3 28-day cycles? But I was on bc pills for awhile, and my cycles were not normal when I got off it, so I just don't know.

 

In short, I just wanted her to explain what she was giving me and why she was doing this, so I could make an informed decision as to whether I wanted to go through with that course of action.

 

Instead, I ended up telling her I was leaving after she said "this is the last time I'm explaining this" when she didn't even answer my questions. I will not be seeing her again.

 

And now I'm just curious if anyone can hazard a guess at what she was thinking.

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The one he has now is stressing him out (and possibly killing him), and he's just not a functional person right now.  I have to completely take care of him right now, which is ok, I understand how hard everything is for him right now, but I just don't see how I can give myself injections and deal with the hormones and still make sure the house is clean, meals are cooked, force him to eat, force him to check his blood sugar, keep up with treating his ketoacidiosis, make sure there are clean clothes, and keep up with his doctor's appointments and instructions.  And then, if by some miracle I got pregnant, I would get no TLC, because he just doesn't have the energy to do more than stare at the ceiling when he has downtime.  So I have been trying not to cry all day, but I will be home by myself tomorrow, so I plan on crying all day long, and pigging out on chocolate.  Sorry to skip personals, I just feel like blah.  Oh, and I will go to the appointment at the RE's office in April, to find out what the game plan will be and about money and all that stuff, because we will be doing IVF at some point in the near future.  I'm just sick of the delays.

 


Oh, man. What is your DH doing to take care of his medical issues? It sounds like his diabetes is out of control. I know there's a link between that and infertility in the woman, but I haven't done any research on that in men. Is there a link? If so, would him getting healthier help? I sure hope he finds a better job soon. What does he do?

Go for it with the chocolate! You need it.
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I went to see an obgyn about the pains I was getting and I have no cysts, at least. Anyways, for my long cycles, she wanted to give me progesterone starting on CD16 to be taken for 10 days. But since I don't ovulate until ~CD24 nowadays, wouldn't that make me not ovulate at all? Am I missing something here?


I think you probably would miss O the first cycle, but maybe by inducing AF (if the drop of progesterone actually forced AF, which I don't think is a fool-proof plan) you would O earlier the next cycle. Might even take a few cycles.
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No need for intervention with the in-laws. Thanks for the offer though! They left in good time and I was able to seduce my dh (which involved putting him under my mysterious, feminine, intricately honed spell with the words "you wanna get nekid?")


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LessTraveledBy, Kyamo, thanks for your replies. smile.gif

 

She knows I have long cycles, and she said my options were to:

a. wait another 6 months and see (huh? we're at like a year TTC now)

b. take some "hormones" for 3 months, then take nothing for 3 months before coming back to see her

 

She grew very impatient that I "interrupted" her with a question by asking what the medicine was, and then she ran out of the room with the excuse that she could explain it better to me by going to get the package. confused.gif Then when I tried to look at the package on the table, she snatched it away from me. She just kept saying "hormones" as though I were too dumb to be told the real name. She finally slipped and said "progesterone" after much back and forth of my asking again and again what it does.

 

At that point, knowing what it was finally, I asked whether I need to take the progesterone later than CD16 because my cycles are long. She said no and told me to just take it as she instructed me. I asked, wouldn't that make me not ovulate? She claimed no. She never explained why she wanted me to take the progesterone, just that it could "fix" my cycles. shrug.gif That didn't sound right to me, so I wanted her to explain her thinking. Maybe she wanted to try to regulate me by forcing 3 28-day cycles? But I was on bc pills for awhile, and my cycles were not normal when I got off it, so I just don't know.

 

In short, I just wanted her to explain what she was giving me and why she was doing this, so I could make an informed decision as to whether I wanted to go through with that course of action.

 

Instead, I ended up telling her I was leaving after she said "this is the last time I'm explaining this" when she didn't even answer my questions. I will not be seeing her again.

 

And now I'm just curious if anyone can hazard a guess at what she was thinking.


Ugh! Never go back!! Why do doctors have to be such jerks?!?
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LessTraveledBy, Kyamo, thanks for your replies. smile.gif

 

She knows I have long cycles, and she said my options were to:

a. wait another 6 months and see (huh? we're at like a year TTC now)

b. take some "hormones" for 3 months, then take nothing for 3 months before coming back to see her

 

She grew very impatient that I "interrupted" her with a question by asking what the medicine was, and then she ran out of the room with the excuse that she could explain it better to me by going to get the package. confused.gif Then when I tried to look at the package on the table, she snatched it away from me. She just kept saying "hormones" as though I were too dumb to be told the real name. She finally slipped and said "progesterone" after much back and forth of my asking again and again what it does.

 

At that point, knowing what it was finally, I asked whether I need to take the progesterone later than CD16 because my cycles are long. She said no and told me to just take it as she instructed me. I asked, wouldn't that make me not ovulate? She claimed no. She never explained why she wanted me to take the progesterone, just that it could "fix" my cycles. shrug.gif That didn't sound right to me, so I wanted her to explain her thinking. Maybe she wanted to try to regulate me by forcing 3 28-day cycles? But I was on bc pills for awhile, and my cycles were not normal when I got off it, so I just don't know.

 

In short, I just wanted her to explain what she was giving me and why she was doing this, so I could make an informed decision as to whether I wanted to go through with that course of action.

 

Instead, I ended up telling her I was leaving after she said "this is the last time I'm explaining this" when she didn't even answer my questions. I will not be seeing her again.

 

And now I'm just curious if anyone can hazard a guess at what she was thinking.


Sweet.Bee:  What a sucky experince!  I'm so glad you won't be going back to that doctor. 

 

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The one he has now is stressing him out (and possibly killing him), and he's just not a functional person right now.  I have to completely take care of him right now, which is ok, I understand how hard everything is for him right now, but I just don't see how I can give myself injections and deal with the hormones and still make sure the house is clean, meals are cooked, force him to eat, force him to check his blood sugar, keep up with treating his ketoacidiosis, make sure there are clean clothes, and keep up with his doctor's appointments and instructions.  And then, if by some miracle I got pregnant, I would get no TLC, because he just doesn't have the energy to do more than stare at the ceiling when he has downtime.  So I have been trying not to cry all day, but I will be home by myself tomorrow, so I plan on crying all day long, and pigging out on chocolate.  Sorry to skip personals, I just feel like blah.  Oh, and I will go to the appointment at the RE's office in April, to find out what the game plan will be and about money and all that stuff, because we will be doing IVF at some point in the near future.  I'm just sick of the delays.

 




Oh, man. What is your DH doing to take care of his medical issues? It sounds like his diabetes is out of control. I know there's a link between that and infertility in the woman, but I haven't done any research on that in men. Is there a link? If so, would him getting healthier help? I sure hope he finds a better job soon. What does he do?

Go for it with the chocolate! You need it.
 

lavatea:  Thanks for asking!  His diabetes was totally under control until this stress hit him.  There's not much he can do, unfortunately.  He stopped eating much a month ago, and has lost around 35 pounds.  That means he has ketones all the time, which is ok, as long as his blood sugar stays under control.  Stress causes it to go up, which leads to ketoacidiosis.  He can't really give insulin for stress ahead of time, so he just is having to check his blood sugar constantly and as soon as it goes up, give for it.  We are in contact with his endo, and she said to get rid of the stress . . .  That's why he's looking for another job.

 

I've eaten so much junk food today, and I feel a lot better.  Emaya, I agree, food isn't supposed to be used for that, but I really enjoyed my cinnamon rolls and brownie.  I did not eat the pudding that is calling my name.  Maybe I have food issues?  Well, we'll have salads and mushroom barley for dinner to make up for all the calories and fat. 
 

 

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