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And now I'm just curious if anyone can hazard a guess at what she was thinking.


My guess is that she was thinking "oh crap, I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe if I read the box I'll figure it out." duck.gif Is there a reason why you're seeing an obgyn instead of a fertility specialist/RE? In any case, I'm glad you're not going back to her!

 

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My guess is that she was thinking "oh crap, I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe if I read the box I'll figure it out." 


LOL! This seems about right. I think Lavatea and I were just trying to figure out how (if there's any way) she could have been right. After the description of what took place, it is hard not to feel that she had no idea what she was talking about.

 

I am having a calm day, which I am grateful for. After the terrible pms, I am back to taking all my vitamins. I even thought of taking soy, just for fun, as I never took it while using the progesterone cream. However, I guess I will wait, as I want to get the lab work done to measure progesterone this cycle. Next cycle, I think I might try something. Despite my feeling that we will never conceive and the fact that I was to adopt now -no, yeasterday- here we are, needing to TTC. It is that, or nothing. At least that will add a couple of months to the story when in June the doctor asks me how long we have been trying. As if having a 6-year-old only child is not proof enough that something might not be working right... hah!

 

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Me too!! haha I thought I was being sort of Gross but I thought well it's green too at least i'm "re-using" what's already getting thrown away! As for getting it on my hand..... I'm still getting that down... Soap is in high demand!

 

12 DPO...... Serious cramping last night....  Super tired..... to today I can barely stay awake..... Praying for 6+ more days of high BBT...... Although I've had lower high temps them normal, by .2 degrees but still they are high.... Hoping it's a sign that things are really looking good this time... and I had spotting at 1or 2 DPO... Which I have never had... Hoping that means it was a BIG nice egg making it's way... I'm visualizing this goodness happening! Now it's cramps - so I picture this big beautiful egg snuggling in to my blanketing soft endo for what should be a great 9 months.... Sorry a girls got to hope and dream.....

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I don't really have anything new to report, just still trying vitex and hoping it will start working soon. It's only been about a month, and I know it takes longer, but I feel so impatient.

I've been agitated and really tired lately. I got into an argument with a Jewish friend about circumcision last night. I do see how it can look like I'm just being anti-Semitic, but I explained my side and I think she sees I'm not out to get her now. She even said if it wasn't for her religion she wouldn't be for it at all. I sent her some resources, hope she gives them some good thought.

So yeah, didn't want to just drop off the face of the planet. I'm here, I just lost steam this month, and got frustrated with everything.
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I don't really have anything new to report, just still trying vitex and hoping it will start working soon. It's only been about a month, and I know it takes longer, but I feel so impatient.

I've been agitated and really tired lately. I got into an argument with a Jewish friend about circumcision last night. I do see how it can look like I'm just being anti-Semitic, but I explained my side and I think she sees I'm not out to get her now. She even said if it wasn't for her religion she wouldn't be for it at all. I sent her some resources, hope she gives them some good thought.

So yeah, didn't want to just drop off the face of the planet. I'm here, I just lost steam this month, and got frustrated with everything.


Hmmm...my mulitquote didn't work. I wanted to say to Kinza that I hope your DH finds a new job soon. That stress thing sounds dangerous.

Objet - I don't know if it would fulfill her religious requirements since they were changed by Rabbis at some point, but the original type of circumcision done by Jews is way milder. I think it would be a great compromise if it would be acceptable religious wise. I suppose it would depend on the type of Jewish faith she follows - Reformed, Orthodox, etc.

Here's a link to a Catholic page that goes into a little detail regarding the original type of circumcision compared to the type done now. This might be the route I go if my husband forces the issue with any future son we might have. We fought over this issue before our DS was born, but he ended up having hypospadius so the foreskin was used to fix that so it became a non-issue. Now that I'm a postpartum nurse, I've seen several circs done (in school and now at work). I came home one day not long after I started this job and did some intensive research (I did some before DS was born but had let it all pretty much leave my mind since it wasn't an issue anymore). I don't even stay in the circ room anymore. I do the time out for the procedure and leave the aide in the room with the doctor. Then I do the checks afterward. I know my name is still on the papers, but I feel much better to not actually be part of the procedure. Thankfully starting next week when I'm on nights my name won't even be on the papers anymore since we don't do circs at night. Anyway, I straight up told DH that any future son will not be circ'ed. He didn't protest much since it's not really an issue right now, but I'm afraid if we ever do have another DS it might get brought back up. So, like I said, I could be persuaded perhaps to do the milder type of circ.
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I've been agitated and really tired lately. I got into an argument with a Jewish friend about circumcision last night. I do see how it can look like I'm just being anti-Semitic, but I explained my side and I think she sees I'm not out to get her now. She even said if it wasn't for her religion she wouldn't be for it at all. I sent her some resources, hope she gives them some good thought.
 


Um... this is probably too much, but have you seen http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

 

You ladies are hilarious, I never thought to pee in the test packet. I have a little plastic take-out bowl that I keep in the bathroom cupboard for this purpose, but the packet is SMART. I'm not afraid of a little pee on my hand. Although I think it will be pretty easy to just slip the package into the stream for a few seconds.

 

I don't know if it's because of the huge moon this month, or because I did fertility yoga last night, but I actually woke up with AF cramps at 4 am and they were super painful. This is very odd as I rarely get cramps at all, and when I do they are just a little ache. I never did get back to sleep... I guess that is why this day seems to be lasting forever.

 

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sweet.bee -  Sounds like your doctor entirely missed the point of why your long cycles were concerning. Yes, progesterone will keep you from ovulating - that's why it's used in birth control! The regimen she prescribed for you is exactly what my doctors have used to get me to have a period. None of them have ever claimed it would convince my body to cycle on its own, and it's certainly not happened that way, either. In any case, I totally agree that you shouldn't see that doctor again!

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Also... in response to the PCOS people about OPKs - my understanding was actually that I was likely to get a lot of false positives with OPKs, since my LH levels are higher than normal all the time.

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SweetBee!!!!! Oh good grief. That doc is crazy!!!! I agree with everyone else. She has no clue what she is doing. That absolutely would not work! I used to take progesterone to regulate my cycles, and it did work for that, but if you are ovulating late, you basically just won't ovulate. That does NOT work if you are TTC!

 

I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope you can find a new doc who will listen to you.

 

AFM, I'm not going to acupuncture tomorrow after all. My babysitter cancelled on me. And DH and I decided we will just try to look for a new ob/gyn (no RE's in my town) after I get my allergy stuff worked out, hopefully next week. Blah. feeling discouraged.

 

Everyone else sorry for the lack of personals. I just had to reply to SweetBee's post. that was just too crazy. i hadn't intended on posting at all tonight..but I still love y'all and am rooting for each of you.

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Is there a reason why you're seeing an obgyn instead of a fertility specialist/RE? In any case, I'm glad you're not going back to her!

 

There are very long waiting lists to see REs here. I called in January, and the earliest appointment they could offer was at the end of May, which I took. But I've been having weird pains lately, so I wanted to see an obgyn in the meantime just to check for cysts. According to the ultrasound she did, I have none. I'm not sure how much I trust this dr now, but I'm hoping cysts would be pretty obvious on the screen. shrug.gif

 

While I was there, she told me I didn't need a specialist b/c she could fix me. I figured I would give her a shot since my appt wasn't for awhile anyone, and if she couldn't help me, I still had that. Boy, do I wish I had just left then and there. The drama was not worth it.

 

In the beginning, I thought things were going ok since she seemed to be concerned about my long cycles at least, did the u/s, and then right away drew blood to test my thyroid. That sounded proactive, I thought. But then when I went back in yesterday for the results, which were all normal, she said there was nothing wrong with my hormones and she did not need to do any more tests. The brochure I have from the RE lists tons of tests, so I knew that wasn't quite right. Then she offered me the 2 options to either do nothing for 6 months or give me "hormones" for 3 months. I thought she meant clomid or something to make me ovulate better, but it turned out she was effectively trying to put me on birth control (though she adamantly denied this). Then she grew angry and aggressive when I asked her to explain, so I told her she was completely unreasonable and then I left.

 

I'm feeling pretty upset about the whole thing. I should have known from the beginning that she was weird b/c when I came in for the first appt, I had my son with me, and she made me reschedule b/c he was in her opinion "too wild". And then she always was impatient when I asked questions, as though I should just sit there and listen w/o speaking. Oh, well. Retrospect.

 

Thank you all for your sympathy. I'm trying to see this as just a lesson I learned, annoyed as I am with the totally unprofessional attitude with which I was treated. winky.gif

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There are very long waiting lists to see REs here. I called in January, and the earliest appointment they could offer was at the end of May, which I took. But I've been having weird pains lately, so I wanted to see an obgyn in the meantime just to check for cysts. According to the ultrasound she did, I have none. I'm not sure how much I trust this dr now, but I'm hoping cysts would be pretty obvious on the screen. shrug.gif

 

While I was there, she told me I didn't need a specialist b/c she could fix me. I figured I would give her a shot since my appt wasn't for awhile anyone, and if she couldn't help me, I still had that. Boy, do I wish I had just left then and there. The drama was not worth it.

 

In the beginning, I thought things were going ok since she seemed to be concerned about my long cycles at least, did the u/s, and then right away drew blood to test my thyroid. That sounded proactive, I thought. But then when I went back in yesterday for the results, which were all normal, she said there was nothing wrong with my hormones and she did not need to do any more tests. The brochure I have from the RE lists tons of tests, so I knew that wasn't quite right. Then she offered me the 2 options to either do nothing for 6 months or give me "hormones" for 3 months. I thought she meant clomid or something to make me ovulate better, but it turned out she was effectively trying to put me on birth control (though she adamantly denied this). Then she grew angry and aggressive when I asked her to explain, so I told her she was completely unreasonable and then I left.

 

I'm feeling pretty upset about the whole thing. I should have known from the beginning that she was weird b/c when I came in for the first appt, I had my son with me, and she made me reschedule b/c he was in her opinion "too wild". And then she always was impatient when I asked questions, as though I should just sit there and listen w/o speaking. Oh, well. Retrospect.

 

Thank you all for your sympathy. I'm trying to see this as just a lesson I learned, annoyed as I am with the totally unprofessional attitude with which I was treated. winky.gif


Sorry you had such a bad experience but good for you for persisting in asking her to explain.  The part about making you reschedule because she thought your son was too wild really burns me.  All children are lively and interested in everything around them - they are children after all.  Hope you find the help you need soon.
 

 

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Smilies, I know. It's weird, right? I'd have thought obgyns would be used to children since mothers come in with them.

 

That could be a general issue around here, though. Many Swiss seem to think children should stay in strollers with pacifiers in their mouths until well past kindergarten. My little guy wants to run around touching everything and figuring out how it works. smile.gif

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Hi ladies - it's been a super long time since I've posted on here, but I can be removed (fingers crossed)! We are due end of November, 2011. Sending all of you fertile thoughts, I hope to see more of you move over to the DDC's (and I'm pleased to see a couple of names I know there already!).


 

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Congratulations, MahnaMahna! love.gif

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Lavatea and Laggie- Yeah, I linked her to Jews Against Circ, I'm honestly not sure if she'll read it, but I hope she gives it some good thought. I honestly spent most of our argument trying to explain how it is actually my right to judge her religion if children are getting hurt. Since I'm pagan, I don't feel comfortable trying to tell her anything about what her religion says (although I'm surprisingly educated in it for a pagan), that's a rabbi's job, so I just directed her to a few resources. I've had people try to tell me about my religion, and when they don't know anything about it it's pretty annoying.


In other news, my sister is miscarrying and I feel uncomfortable in light of my previously saying that I'm annoyed that she gets pregnant so much easier than me. I haven't talked to her or any of my family yet, since she's in good hands and around people who can help, I'm not in a big hurry to go try to comfort her. I just don't want to get in the way or risk saying the wrong thing, especially with how tired and frustrated I've been lately. I'm not really so close to most of my family anyway, I think my parents will do a much better job helping her though this.

I did wake up feeling the tiniest bit of cramping today, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet that I could be ovulating or about to start a period.
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That could be a general issue around here, though. Many Swiss seem to think children should stay in strollers with pacifiers in their mouths until well past kindergarten. My little guy wants to run around touching everything and figuring out how it works. smile.gif


Ah, that explains it! winky.gif My dad is Swiss, here I thought he was just irrational and difficult but maybe I can blame it on his homeland.duck.gifLuckily, he is not a doctor. Attitude isn't so important in construction workers.

 

It was 3 months to see an RE here, too. May isn't so far away... I know, I hate waiting too.

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All this talk of long waits to see REs is just weird to me. My first RE visit was so easy, had a referral from a friend with twins from there, called up the RE's office, and was seen within a week. We elected not to go to that facility due to the cost and pushing of drugs in spite of my desires to go natural, so we went to a diff RE office and were also seen within a week or two.  But San Anotnio also has a TON of fertility specialists at their various locations around town so the demand per office isn't as high, I assume.

 

However my husband had to wait 6 weeks+ to see a specialist about his injured knee. He might not have been able to walk right for a while, but boy we sure could get in and see why we're not pregnant instantly! lol


Edited by kparker - 4/1/11 at 7:56pm
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MahnaMahna!!!!  Congrats!!!!!joy.gif Soooo exciting!!! I just love to hear about any BSL's getting their BFP. It gives me hope.

 

Monkeyscience I have the same understanding as you about PCOS and OPK's and that's why i don't use them. But I guess I may start using them if I get on Clomid? I don't know..

 

GreenMum - I'm hoping for you and crossing my fingers for those high temps to continue!

 

Objet - I am so sorry about your sister and your uncomfortable feelings. I can certainly understand you wanting to stay away for a bit and let her be comforted by others. This is such a hard journey we are all on. Take care of yourself!

 

 

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Smilies, I know. It's weird, right? I'd have thought obgyns would be used to children since mothers come in with them.

 

That could be a general issue around here, though. Many Swiss seem to think children should stay in strollers with pacifiers in their mouths until well past kindergarten. My little guy wants to run around touching everything and figuring out how it works. smile.gif


The OB office I'm going to be going to (new OB for me since this is the first time I've had insurance since we moved 3+ years ago) has a big sign on the wall that no children under 8 (and over a certain months, can't remember) aren't allowed "due to the risk to pregnant women". I understand their reasoning, but I don't particularly agree.
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Originally Posted by MahnaMahna View Post

Hi ladies - it's been a super long time since I've posted on here, but I can be removed (fingers crossed)! We are due end of November, 2011. Sending all of you fertile thoughts, I hope to see more of you move over to the DDC's (and I'm pleased to see a couple of names I know there already!).


 


Congrats!
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In other news, my sister is miscarrying and I feel uncomfortable in light of my previously saying that I'm annoyed that she gets pregnant so much easier than me. I haven't talked to her or any of my family yet, since she's in good hands and around people who can help, I'm not in a big hurry to go try to comfort her. I just don't want to get in the way or risk saying the wrong thing, especially with how tired and frustrated I've been lately. I'm not really so close to most of my family anyway, I think my parents will do a much better job helping her though this.

I did wake up feeling the tiniest bit of cramping today, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet that I could be ovulating or about to start a period.

When I miscarried the first time (the farthest along) the best thing anyone said to me was simply, "I'm so sorry for your loss" - no advice, no "it will happen someday" or "it just wasn't the right time". I also received a few cards (nice b/c I didn't have to give any kind of reaction but could just absorb the love in if that makes sense) and one friend got me a gift card for pizza so at least one night I didn't have to worry about feeding myself or my family. For me, that kind of hands-off showing that they cared was far better than anyone who hovered (even if it was over the phone hovering). That takes too much emotionally for me personally. I guess some people appreciate that, though.
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All this talk of long waits to see REs is just weird to me. My first RE visit was so easy, had a referral from a friend with twins from there, called up the RE's office, and was seen within a week. We elected not to go to that facility due to the cost and pushing of drugs in spite of my desires to go natural, so we went to a diff RE office and were also seen within a week or two.  But San Anotnio also has a TON of fertility specialists at their various locations around town so the demand per office isn't as high, I assume.

 

However my husband hat to wait 6 weeks+ to see a specialist about his injured knee. He might not have been able to walk right for a while, but boy we sure could get in and see why we're not pregnant instantly! lol


I always have a long wait to see the OB (both at my former OB in Dallas and now to see this new one here in Tyler). I haven't made the leap to fertility specialist, though. And to be fair, in both cases I was trying to get into a specific office. So maybe that makes a difference?
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Stupid me... I was reading an old thread late last night. It was hard to read all these people saying how they don't want any more kids, and then see their sigs having babies in them. That is just hard to take: People who don't want kids and end up pregnant, anyway, or people who can change their minds, and have a baby soon after. Once again I need to remind myself that life is not even supposed to be fair. I have not used contraception, ever, and, yet, here I am. BUT I have a wonderful child, a husband, and so many blessings in my life. I truly am blessed and I need to remember it every day. (And stop reading threads as soon as I realize I am going to get upset for nothing.)

 

How are people monitored when they take Clomid or Femara, if they are just trying at home? (You know, no IUI or anything.) Do they just go in for an ultrasound before any action right before ovulation to see that there are not too many developed follicles or is there more involved? Sorry, I have never given very much thought to any of this, so I don't even know what to call things in English. I am still wondering why I ovulate every cycle (based on temps), but never get a truly positive opk. I wonder if my ovulation is not strong enough somehow. I think that could maybe also explain the cramping I used to have during the TWW and the short luteal phases, as in the whateveritiscalled would not be producing enough progesterone after the week ovulation. Just another among my ponderings. I guess I am getting to the point that I am thinking trying Femara could not make things any worse than they are... hah.

 

I was reading something, I thought, unrelated yesterday and bumped into this idea of using progesterone to jump start cycles. Apparently some doctors really do feel that taking progesterone for some months let's the ovaries rest and then makes you ovulate when you get off it. This method could also be used to postpone menopause. Interesting idea, but makes me wonder what % of women really do get better cycled after they get off the progesterone...

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