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DH getting cold feet after talk with his (doctor) sister. WWYD?

post #1 of 7
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Oy, I knew this would happen.  I asked DH to keep our UC plans to ourselves, but I knew it would slip out at some time.

 

His sister is an ER doctor who leans towards the crunchy side (her kids aren't vaxed and have never had antibiotics, etc...). I knew, though, that she would completely freak out when she learned about the UC - and I was hoping it would be after the delivery when she wouldn't have the chance to "talk us out of it".  So DH and sister were out to lunch the other day and somehow it came up.  She expressed 'deep concern' over our 'uninformed decision' and somehow - whatever she said  - really got under DH's skin.  He did not reiterate their conversation word for word to me, nor did I ask him to.  He is entitled to speak with whomever he wants about this (lord knows I talk to you ladies enough!!) and I know he is not easily influenced.  

 

He kind of nonchalantly brought up the idea of having a (family-friend) DEM present for the birth, as she was last time when DD was born.  I asked him why he feels the need to revisit this again and he said that, in addition to what his sister said, he is wondering if he will be able to act appropriately during the birth if in fact there is some type of emergent situation.  He said that he is happy to continue on the path that we are on as far as the UC goes, but that there are some seeds of doubt.  I definitely think this is a case of cold feet v/s not wanting to UC, but I really want to respect his feelings and work through them in the very best, most compassionate way.  I mean, although I am the one giving birth, it is OUR baby, and I want him to feel confident and comfortable with whatever decision we come to about how to birth.

 

So I told him that he should probably do some reading and maybe even look around here on MDC to see what other people are saying about UC.  I also told him to just take some time to think about his feelings and that we can talk about this again in a few days.  I really don't want him to do something he is not comfortable with, but I also feel a UC is what is best for me and our family.  DH is totally the type to go along with it just because he knows it is what I want and I certainly don't want that to happen.

 

Any thoughts, mamas? Advice?

post #2 of 7

Going along with it because it's what I want is good enough for me lol.gif Of course, that's how it began with us, but I am very happy that dh is actually on board and fully supports UC.

 

Seriously though, it certainly is a typical reaction from an ER doctor. I mean, they see emergencies all the time, I could see where they get into a headspace of assessing lots of potential choices as potential emergencies. My close friend who is a police officer is a very, very....very cautious driver now due to all the bodies she's had to see peeled off the road while responding to car accidents. People still drive obviously and the vast majority of the time end up at their destinations safely, but if all you see with regard to driving are people driving like nutcases or being killed (being a police officer and all), I imagine you'd develop more of a mindset that it happens way more than it does and that it's way more dangerous than it is, statistically. So on that end -- being an ER doctor, I don't exactly blame her for approaching the whole thing as a potential emergency, but I do think saying it was an "uninformed decision" is a bit insulting because I don't believe you are making an uninformed decision.

 

The fact is -- it's just one person's opinion and they're like belly buttons...everyone's got one. For a person trained to see every situation as a potential emergency response (no matter how crunchy they may be in their regular life), you're probably going to get an opinion that it's an emergency waiting to happen. Which you did.

 

Is it possible that your husband's feelings are not so much about UC, but about someone doubting his decision and doubting his intelligence/research/choice, thus leaving him feeling upset because of the lack of trust in those things? That can be really upsetting in and of itself, regardless of the subject. I know it really gets under my skin when people express "deep concern" eyesroll.gif over a choice I'm making regarding my children. To me, I hear, "I am more invested in your child's safety and well-being than you, and I feel you would put your child in danger knowingly"  and that makes me see absolute red, Cuss.gif even if the intentions are "good".

 

Also, it's fine to have cold feet. Heck, even I have mini-freak outs about the UC every now and then, but I still know it's the best decision for our family and believe all will be well. So, it's important to distinguish "temporary fear",  "temporary freak-out", or "still working it all out" from "I really have a deep intuition this is NOT what we should be doing". I think your husband is probably feeling the former, spurred on by someone he loves basically telling him he's putting the life of his child in danger willingly, which is so insulting, imo.

 

Personally, I would refuse to discuss it any further with the sister. I would just respectfully say "we are going to make the best decision we feel for our family, thanks for your love and concern, but this isn't up for further discussion." ...and change the subject.

 

You don't think she would do anything like call CPS or cause more waves among your family do you? I pray not.

 

 

 

 

 

post #3 of 7
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Originally Posted by Tumble Bumbles View Post

Going along with it because it's what I want is good enough for me lol.gif Of course, that's how it began with us, but I am very happy that dh is actually on board and fully supports UC.

 

 


 

yeahthat.gif  Sounds like he's probably just feeling disappointed that his sis wasn't supportive of his decision. But, oh well, move forward. Not everyone is going to be happy with every decision made. 

 

post #4 of 7

Tracy-- I was irritated at the very title. (lol).

My first reaction is-- tell him that her training as a doctor is essentially opposite of what natural birth is all about! Of course she wouldn’t find it kosher, "crunchy" aside. Doctors feel the need to manage and control, and most of them honestly believe that things could easily be disastrous without that. Doctors have learned protocol and how to follow, and have not actually studied just the very nature of birth itself as a biological function. They look at everything clinically and medically, and they don’t understand fully how things function and operate outside of that environment! They know how to bend birth to suit their environment. In other words, they are specialists IN their environment. When it comes to a natural home birth, they are no longer specialists. Totally different dynamic, totally different environment.

Just the fact that she talks down about “uninformed decisions” shows her level of misinformation. It’s ironic how most people who claim UCers are uninformed are actually the uninformed ones, and not once do they stop to consider that possibility. It is instantly assumed that they know better and are better educated on the matter. If your husband wants to believe her as being more informed over you who has both information AND intuition, I would ask him to consider what that really means in the big picture, in terms of where the trust and the faith is being placed. If he understands the situation on those terms, he might be tempted to view UC and your opinions in a different light. He may not be easily swayed, but it is his sister, and she is a doctor (any medical professional’s opinion tends to carry weight and is at some points intimidating). He needs to realize that you are not uninformed, and if he really thinks she knows better, it sounds like he needs to have more information on UC, himself. Maybe you could steer him towards that? Education would almost certainly eliminate anyone’s seeds of doubt, IMHO. Having a bit of jitters seems only natural, but can be easily eliminated when one knows that UC is really for them. And, there’s still plenty of time for this whole thing to turn around! So much can be gained and learned in the coming months.

So yeah, I totally agree with you that more reading is a great idea for him. I want you to be able to do what is best for you and your family. Keep out all external forces which could hinder that.

LOL @ Tumble-- hey, I think for some husbands, that’s what it takes! Some people won’t be sold on it fully until they witness it for themselves, and then they’re hooked/convinced.

 

And yeah-- if all you see all day long is emergencies, she’s emergency-minded. She’s not used to seeing things from a calm and peaceful, non-emergency perspective. I can only imagine what I looked like in labor when the paramedics brought me in to the ER! All the docs and nurses must have thought this was another “natural” birth in progress-- and what a crazy lady, ‘cause who wouldn’t want to be in the maternity ward right now with that epidural instead of winding up like this? These are very one-sided views. They are witnessing a very limited picture of birth. It’s unfortunate that the perceived authorities on this subject actually have a very limited take on what birth truly is. Most of us mamas have more experience in this department from more widely varied views. Some of these docs have seen thousands of births, and some of us have only seen a few, yet, we come away with much more of the broader picture in all this. Not to mention we are reading the texts which they are not, that talk about the realities and the pure common sense science of it.  “Uninformed”? Only in that we can’t perform our own C-sections, perhaps. In every other way, I’d say we are rich in information when it comes to birth. But yeah, her training is to view things in terms of emergencies. It must be taken with that grain of salt.

If we are just addressing his insecurity about what to do in case of an emergency, this is a common worry for moms and dads alike. I can’t tell you how many accounts I’ve heard of where such jitters were admitted to, but when the time came and labor was in action, that completely disappeared. And, if the time came to take action, action was just taken instinctively. There was no time to think, just to act. It’s natural. I mean, none of us can promise how we’ll react in any given situation, but that’s life. We can’t promise how doctors will react, either, and they’ve received specialized training and are still quite capable of making mistakes of their own. But we are deciding who we will give the ultimate power of choice over to-- a doctor, or ourselves?

Tumble, when people allege that we as UC-ers are less interested in our child’s well being, that just always reflects to me how uninformed they really are. Some of us saw our children as previously and needlessly being put IN harm's way, and are now making this very informed choice as a means of actually safeguarding them from future unnecessary threats. Psh.

Yeah, in terms of mini-freak outs… I had a dream last night about a scenario occurring that was slightly worrisome, and I awoke to turn over groggily telling myself that I really must research that issue more. Then as I woke up more and became more conscious and logical, I realized that  I had already, and I knew these answers-- that the dream situation wasn‘t even an emergency, but it usually gets handled as such (like so many other birth situations). I will still look it up more, but I recognized instantly what this was. This was leftover fear training you could say, from being taught what to fear in a pretty unrealistic way. It’s crazy how all that conditioning can resurface, even after you’ve battled it and debunked certain issues. So I agree with Tumble--- distinguish the difference between a temporary freak out or jitters and the intuition that this really is not good. When all else fails, research! Research until you know enough to feel better.

I also would refuse to discuss it any further with the sister. People in my family started asking about my plans when they discovered my midwives were no longer with me. I answered some questions honestly enough but vaguely to set their minds at ease. Later when questions became a little more specific, I simply told them I didn’t want to talk about it. End of story. :) I don’t want to be put in the position of defending my case to people who couldn’t possibly begin to see things through my eyes right now, and you and your hubby might feel better to keep yourself from those stresses as well if you can help it! You have more important things to focus on right now, like a healthy and happy pregnancy and baby. No good can come of that other form of interaction.

 

post #5 of 7
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Thanks, ladies!

 

I know that my SIL is coming from a place of love and truly wants what (she thinks) is best for our family.  I don't fault her for that - I am sure that she sees this as rather strange and risky (which I think most people do) and that combined with her medical training caused a very reactive response.  She is a good person - but you all are exactly right - SHE is the one who is uninformed!!  I worked in the ER with her for many years (she actually orchestrated the whole meeting between me and DH so long ago!) and she is a great doctor.  I totally respect her skills when it comes to true emergent situations.  She has, however, never been pregnant or given birth (infertility, her kids are adopted) and I think that in and of itself is a big barrier to her understanding something like this.  I am sure she will bring it up to me at some point, and I will say something like "thank you for your concern - I understand where you are coming from, but we will make the best decision for our family" and then quickly change the subject.  She will get it - she will figure out that the door for discussion is closed.

 

As for DH, I am not not worried.  I think he just needs to work through his fears.  I did this already - I don't think he has.  I am just going to step back and let him research, think and feel and I am sure we will end up being on the same page in the end.  

 

 

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Oh, and TB, no - I do not think that she would EVER call CPS or anything like that.  Never.  Our family is extraordinarily close and something like that would never, ever happen.  I also know that she won't go blabbing this all over the place.  She isn't like that at all - really, she is wonderful.  Just concerned in her own 'big sister doctor' way.

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That's a relief! Then I think the approach of, "we recognize you're coming from a place of love but please understand this is not something we feel comfortable discussing further"... would be best.

 

My mom recently, after telling us how "supportive" she was (I knew it was too good to be true lol.gif ) was discussing with my sister (who is actually supportive!) how "concerned" she is about me and my choice blah blah eyesroll.gif I've just accepted that this is something I cannot and will not discuss with her any further if that's how she truly feels and I just thank God I know now, because we were going to possibly have her watch dd if need be while I was in labor. Now though, she won't even know I'm in labor because I need to protect myself from her "concern". It sucks but it's how it is. I don't think she'd call CPS or anything of the sort but I don't know as I would trust her not to call EMTs or something if she "felt" she "should".

 

So maybe just look at sil's "concern" as a blessing and know that she's clearly not someone (as wonderful as I'm sure she is) you can trust with this specific info/situation.


 

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Originally Posted by tracymom1 View Post

Oh, and TB, no - I do not think that she would EVER call CPS or anything like that.  Never.  Our family is extraordinarily close and something like that would never, ever happen.  I also know that she won't go blabbing this all over the place.  She isn't like that at all - really, she is wonderful.  Just concerned in her own 'big sister doctor' way.



 

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