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Would you force her to wear the coat? sorry so long

post #1 of 32
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DD1 has two winter jackets, a purple one, and a lavender and white one. She vastly prefers the purple one. She hasn't been able to explain why-- the two are nearly identical in their basic style and fit. She just likes it better.

Anyway, recently the zipper broke. It's a total loss-- I tried to take it out and replace it, but the way the seams are, I would have to take the whole thing apart, which for a $35 jacket isn't worth it, especially with only about a month left of cold weather where we live. She's been wearing it unzipped, or zipping it up as far as it goes, and then wearing a big wide scarf to "keep my belly warm," as she says. FWIW, it's not all that cold here-- around 45 to 50F during the parts of the day when she's out, and often much warmer, so she's in no danger of freezing!

So I got out the other jacket, which has hardly ever been worn, made sure it was clean, and suggested to her that she wear it. She refused. Persistently, over days and days, she refused to wear it. So I let it go. I'm a big one to choose my battles, ya know? Not my business, really, what coat she wears-- that was what I figured. My job was to make sure she has a warm jacket, which she does.

Anyway, I guess the teacher at school noticed the broken jacket. She didn't call or email or anything, but on Monday, DD came home from school with a new jacket on, and a form letter from the PTO telling me that the school has a program to provide things like coats and hats for families that might be in need, and please accept this gift from us, etc. Basically, they figured I couldn't provide a replacement jacket, and gave her one from their charity program.

I was mortified. Well, not really-- if I really was in need, I wouldn't be too proud to accept help that was offered kindly. But we are not in need! I mean, we're not rolling in the money, by any means, but we have enough to provide our kids with decent clothes. The kid HAS a coat. Two, in fact.

So I sent the coat back, with a nice letter thanking them for their concern, but assuring them that we were alright, and that they could keep their coat. But DD still refuses to wear the good jacket, and I can't imagine what they think of me at the school. The only way I'm going to get the other jacket on her is if I decide to step up to the plate and force the issue, and I hate to do that. I've always made it a policy not to get involved in power struggles over things like this.

What would you do? Would you make her wear the stupid coat?
post #2 of 32

I'd have done the same, not made her wear the other coat, especially since the temperature is above freezing.  I might see if there was a fleece vest or something that she could wear under it if she said she was cold.  Or maybe you can sew some velcro tabs on to hold the top together?  Did your dd like the school coat?  Just curious...

post #3 of 32

Nope, I wouldn't. It's her choice. I would send a note to the teacher explaining that you do have a different coat for her that she refuses to wear and that this is not the hill you choose to die on.

 

I've felt like putting a disclaimer on my kids' backs all winter. They refuse to wear their perfectly nice winter coats from last year (they still fit) and go with their hoodies instead. It's rarely colder than 45  here, and when they're outside, they're running around, so they seem to be OK.

post #4 of 32

I would not make her wear the coat. My DD is in a very intense place about what she wears (It's basically the same outfit everyday) and so I really can understand where you are at. What I would do, if the note you sent didn't already do this, is make sure the teacher understands exactly what is going on so that they understand the situation at school. Have you made them aware that it is not an issue of buying a coat, in fact you have another one, but that your DD is really super attached to this one and you have made a conscious choice to allow her to keep wearing it, given that the cold weather season is almost over? I'd just make sure that was super clear, and then I'd let it go.

 

On another note: We attend a private school and most of the families are very wealthy. We are not; we receive financial aid. I would have been upset and insulted if my child came home in a different coat and with a note like that--it's kind of insensitive and patronizing. Or at least I would have perceived it that way. The PTO might want to look at finding a more sensitive way to deal with this kind of situation.

post #5 of 32

First of all I am horrified that the school did that.  Why not call the parent first? Or better yet ask the child if they forgot their coat at home? While I think it is wonderful that the school district has the funding and the program in place for families in need I think it is beyond intrusive to assume that and to put the coat on your child. Ugh!

 

But to answer you question, no I would not put the coat on your child. Just send a note to the teacher and let her know.  another option is to have your child carry the coat to school and keep it in her cubby/whenever the hang their coats. That way if your child di get cold she had something available.

 

My son rarely wear a coat.  He runs hot and they bother him.  The teachers all know and he does keep a coat at school "just in case".

post #6 of 32

I had to chuckle when reading this bc kids this age are so funny with all of their little "diva moments" ( that is what we call it in our house )Like everyone has said I wouldn't make her wear the coat. It isn't worth starting her day out with a fight everyday - or yours - BUT at the end of the winter season i would get rid of the coat to avoid the "conflict" next year .. lol

post #7 of 32

 

I am chuckling a little too because in the past couple of days, the zipper on my ski jacket has been giving me trouble and our dog chewed a hole in the pocket trying to get at some treats that were inside. I'm the one who looks like a charity case. I could certainly go out and buy a new jacket (and I may, if I find myself near a shop), but with just a few weeks of winter left, I'm not inclined to rush out and do it. 

 

I wouldn't make her wear the other coat if she's comfortable in the old one. If it's bothering you, you can let the teacher know all the details that you've described here, but I don't think it's really their business. 

 

As for the school program to assist families in need, I'm not sure what is the best way to handle it. I know some very proud parents who refuse help if asked first if they want it. They find it even more mortifying to have to discuss it or be perceived to ask for it, rather than simply accepting any help that is quietly extended to them. 

 

 

 

post #8 of 32

Oh, this is so dumb.  I could go on and on about people stepping in too much into other people's lives.  How did they get the coat on her?  What on earth did they say to YOUR CHILD?  Where was her other coat during all this? (The one she wanted to be wearing?)

 

If I asked my child which coat they wanted, and they had a favorite, and it wasn't that cold, they could wear whatever they wanted.  In fact, depending on the cicumstances, my kid might HAVE to wear that coat.  Not because we aren't totally capable of buying another, or because we don't have another, but because you take care of stuff that is yours and you make do.  If it wasn't freezing outside, I'd like to think I would encourage my child to stick out the last few weeks of winter with what she already had.  And I'd like to think that I wouldn't have to deal with that reaction from a teacher. 

 

I would like to think that your child's teacher would take the time to know your family well enough to know wether or not you would seriously need another coat, and how to go about giving you one. 

 

Let your dd wear her coat.

 

I can't believe how annoyed I am about this.

post #9 of 32

TBH I think I'd either take the coat in to be repaired (or do it myself if I thought my machine could handle the thick fabric), or I'd just say "I'm really sorry honey, your jacket is broken and it can't be fixed" and get rid of it.  It's nothing to do with what anyone at the school thinks or anything.  Just that a) I think it's important to have a coat that is able to be zipped all the way up (it protects much better from rain and snow and heavy winds than a scarf would, plus it's harder to play with an unzipped jacket flapping around), and b) we try really hard to encourage a non-attachment to material things in our family (or maybe what I'm trying to say is that we try to encourage the kids to "let things go" when it's time for them to be let go, yk?).  Things that are broken get fixed if we're able to or they get thrown out/recycled (or given to someone who has the interest and ability to fix it). 

post #10 of 32

I'd let my kid wear the purple coat if she wanted for sure.  I'd send a letter back with the donated coat thanking them for caring and expressing how appreciative I am that we live in a community of people willing to give to those who need it but that kiddo is actually happy with the broken zipper coat although she does have a new one.  I'd explain I wasn't concerned as it isn't freezing out being that it is the end of winter and she knows to wear a scarf if she is still cold so it would be best if the coat went to a child who had nothing at all and therefor needed it more.

 

I'd be annoyed too if a coat was just given to my child with the assumption that I couldn't provide but as someone said up thread, many people would be too proud to take it if they weren't asked first due to embarrassment, unfortunately even at the expense of their children.  Just give the coat back so another kid can have it and let them know you know the zipper is broken but gosh darn it little girl loves the thing so you are letting it go since the fight just isn't worth it.

post #11 of 32
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TBH I think I'd either take the coat in to be repaired (or do it myself if I thought my machine could handle the thick fabric), or I'd just say "I'm really sorry honey, your jacket is broken and it can't be fixed" and get rid of it.  It's nothing to do with what anyone at the school thinks or anything.  Just that a) I think it's important to have a coat that is able to be zipped all the way up (it protects much better from rain and snow and heavy winds than a scarf would, plus it's harder to play with an unzipped jacket flapping around), and b) we try really hard to encourage a non-attachment to material things in our family (or maybe what I'm trying to say is that we try to encourage the kids to "let things go" when it's time for them to be let go, yk?).  Things that are broken get fixed if we're able to or they get thrown out/recycled (or given to someone who has the interest and ability to fix it). 

But, it's not that cold where the OP is. My DS has only worn his winter coat a few times. Mostly when he was playing in the snow. The rest of the time, he's been wearing a lined hoodie. DD has worn her winter coat a few more times but has been wearing a fleece hoodie for months.
 

 

post #12 of 32

I'm fairly crafty so if i couldn't fix a broken jacket (and you can just sew the new zip on over the old zip - looks messy but works fine) i would recycle it into something for the baby or throw it away.  Not because it's cold or not cold outside, but because it's junk, an unfixable thing, and why would we want to surround ourselves with junk?

 

I wouldn't force DD to wear the other jacket either way.  She could choose to wear no jacket or the other one.

 

 

post #13 of 32

It doesn't sound like junk to me. It's the child's favorite jacket and it's still working FOR HER.

 


 

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I'm fairly crafty so if i couldn't fix a broken jacket (and you can just sew the new zip on over the old zip - looks messy but works fine) i would recycle it into something for the baby or throw it away.  Not because it's cold or not cold outside, but because it's junk, an unfixable thing, and why would we want to surround ourselves with junk?

 

I wouldn't force DD to wear the other jacket either way.  She could choose to wear no jacket or the other one.

 

 



 

post #14 of 32

I agree.. if the only problem with the coat is that it doesn't zip then I don't think its junk.  I get hot really easily and I always have... I often didn't zip up my coats anyway unless it was close to freezing which it isn't according to the OP.  Now, if the coat were completely falling apart and stained and holey and whatnot, then I might consider it junk and explain that its time to let the jacket go and use the purple and white coat, but the purple jacket still sounds warm and nice.  The OP actually says it still zips partway, just not ALL the way.  If the child isn't bothered by that then I don't see a problem or junk.
 

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It doesn't sound like junk to me. It's the child's favorite jacket and it's still working FOR HER.

 


 



 



 

post #15 of 32

wait... did she accept wearing the school's new coat?

any chance you can "trade in" the other new coat you have from home (the one she won't wear) by giving it to the school for their charity program, and just keep the school's coat as a switcheroo if she's willing to wear it?

post #16 of 32
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It doesn't sound like junk to me. It's the child's favorite jacket and it's still working FOR HER.

 


 



 

Yes, i know, to our family a jacket is a purely functional object.  It's not that we don't have favourites, more that it's purpose and it's ability to meet that purpose would be part of the reason for it being favourite.  My DD (is 4) would and has abandoned clothes, even clothes she has been VERY particular about wearing over and over, when they no longer fit or work.  I do see how to other families it wouldn't be junk, but to us it would be.

 


 

 

post #17 of 32
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Yes, i know, to our family a jacket is a purely functional object.  It's not that we don't have favourites, more that it's purpose and it's ability to meet that purpose would be part of the reason for it being favourite.  My DD (is 4) would and has abandoned clothes, even clothes she has been VERY particular about wearing over and over, when they no longer fit or work.  I do see how to other families it wouldn't be junk, but to us it would be.

 


 

 


This is where I was coming from too (in my pp). 

 

post #18 of 32

Your oldest child is still pretty little. You may not have hit the stage where items can get meaning attached to even functional objects. And the jacket is still working. The child is wearing a scarf when needed and the coat is still serving a purpose.

 

Then again, my preschooler is wearing pink sandals with socks to picture day at school this morning.

post #19 of 32
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Your oldest child is still pretty little. You may not have hit the stage where items can get meaning attached to even functional objects. And the jacket is still working. The child is wearing a scarf when needed and the coat is still serving a purpose.

 

Then again, my preschooler is wearing pink sandals with socks to picture day at school this morning.

 

LOL, i have the opposite problem - finding newish shoes in the bin because a lace broke!  It might be her age, it might be her personality.  I'll need to wait and see.

 

i've been thinking about this thread and really the school's treatment of this is what presented the question, not the original situation.  The OP was actually fine with her dd wearing the coat with a scarf, until the school sent home the other jacket.  So i think, OP, that you already know how YOU feel about it, and that's a perfectly reasonable way top feel.  You already returned the other jacket with a polite letter, so don't worry about it :)
 

 

post #20 of 32

At 40-50F I wouldn't force her to wear the other jacket. 

 

When it gets that warm here few people are wearing winter jackets.  They're walking around in hoodies.  That's practically summer weather here.lol

 

If it drops a little colder, put a hoodie on first & then the jacket she'll be fine.

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