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post #221 of 311
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I find this map very hard to interpret.  "Arbitrary units"?  Did they assign the value "1" to the radiation around the nuclear plant and then based their calculations on that?  And why is the distance between 0.01 and 0.01 the same as the distance between 0.1 and 1?  Is something being multiplied somewhere?  If anyone can help me with this, I would appreciate it.  

 


Basically it doesn't mean anything.  Its a silly little graphic with arbitrary (meaningless) numbers that the newspaper put out.  "Extremely minor health consequences" doesn't mean anything either.  Its a sweeping, useless statement that was probably supposed to help people feel better but probably didn't. 

 

post #222 of 311
Radiation detection device readings in Japan: http://www.rdtn.org/

 

Perspective: http://xkcd.com/radiation/

 

If you look at the closest readings to the Fukushima Plant, the readings are in microsieverts per hour.  The highest reading I could find was 0.731 micorsieverts per hour.  1 microsievert is 20 blue boxes on the "perspective" link (equivalent to one arm X-Ray - per hour). Most of the readings are 0.250 microsievenrts at the closest readings to the nuclear plants (due south).  MUCH lower, north and east. non-issue at this point.

Scroll out to make the map larger and you can see readings for the US- West Coast.  Basically, immeasurable (except for some apparently erroneous reading which is 9000x greater than on the island of Japan).  There are links to buy your own radiation detector, if someone is so inclined.

I want to clarify. This post is to decrease concern. Not increase it.

 



Pat

post #223 of 311
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

Radiation detection device readings in Japan: http://www.rdtn.org/

 

Perspective: http://xkcd.com/radiation/

 

If you look at the closest readings to the Fukushima Plant, the readings are in microsieverts per hour.  The highest reading I could find was 0.731 micorsieverts per hour.  1 microsievert is 20 blue boxes on the "perspective" link (equivalent to one arm X-Ray - per hour). Most of the readings are 0.250 microsievenrts at the closest readings to the nuclear plants (due south).  MUCH lower, north and east. non-issue at this point.

Scroll out to make the map larger and you can see readings for the US- West Coast.  Basically, immeasurable (except for some apparently erroneous reading which is 9000x greater than on the island of Japan).  There are links to buy your own radiation detector, if someone is so inclined.

I want to clarify. This post is to decrease concern. Not increase it.

 



Pat



I would also like to point out that these readings are citizen readings, using personal geiger counters and the like, and are not government-published readings. In case people are afraid the government is deliberately withholding or manipulating rad counts. You can take a reading yourself and submit it.

 

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I find this map very hard to interpret.  "Arbitrary units"?  Did they assign the value "1" to the radiation around the nuclear plant and then based their calculations on that?  And why is the distance between 0.01 and 0.01 the same as the distance between 0.1 and 1?  Is something being multiplied somewhere?  If anyone can help me with this, I would appreciate it.  

 



when distances on a graph are measured like that (showing an exponential increase) it means that they are using a logarithmic scale. this usually happens when the data covers a very large range. if i had to guess, based upon the graph, i'd say they are trying to display data that ranges from a very large amount of exposure to a very small amount of exposure.

post #225 of 311

It is good to hear so many people are increasing their preparedness level for any emergency.  We are too/have been over the last week. 

 

In an effort to provide something helpful to the forum, here's an excerpt from a note I sent to my friends and family this week: 

 

Bedrooms.  Get shoes and flashlights in all the bedrooms (mark these ALL so that everyone puts these back.  get UGLY and easy-to-put on shoes so noone wants to do anything but leave these under the bed except in an emergency).  Remove ALL breakable objects from kids' rooms.  Replace glass with plexiglass for all the frames (go to a glass shop, not a craft shop--the prices are tolerable). Put some QuakeHold under lamps and stick them to the dresser.  Attach the dressers and bookcases to the walls. 

 

Hope this helps!  Please let me know if you have additional ideas/tips.  Thinking of everyone near and far. 

post #226 of 311
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http://doctorapsley.com/RadiationTherapy.aspx

 

EXCELLENT article talking about the very low radiation levels we are now seeing on the west coast and natural ways to deal with it.

post #227 of 311
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http://doctorapsley.com/RadiationTherapy.aspx

 

EXCELLENT article talking about the very low radiation levels we are now seeing on the west coast and natural ways to deal with it.



This starts to make more sense when we take the stories of people who have suffered radiation effects where none should have been found.  The effect he talks about, the fact that we consume or inhale radioactive particles that land in our bodies and continuously emit radiation from the inside does seem to be completely different from and incomparable to radiation received from an x-ray dose that lasts only a millisecond.  This is precisely why the comparisons don't make sense to me.  I'm no scientist but I don't see how they can be compared in that way.

 

Perhaps it has not been studied properly, in the same way and for the same reasons that vaccinations and toxic chemicals have not been studied properly (...money).


Edited by joybird - 3/22/11 at 8:57am
post #228 of 311

http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

 

Here is a Norwegian site illustrating the potential releases from the Fukushima reactors, by isotope.

post #229 of 311
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http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Xe-133_;region=NH

 

Here is a Norwegian site illustrating the potential releases from the Fukushima reactors, by isotope.



I have no idea how to interpret this.  It looks pretty awful though.  What do they mean by 'potential' releases?  

 

 

The trickle of news is infuriating:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japanese-official-says-storage-pool-at-troubled-nuclear-plant-is-at-or-near-boiling-point/2011/03/21/AButdj9_story.html

post #230 of 311
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I have no idea how to interpret this.  It looks pretty awful though.  What do they mean by 'potential' releases?  

 

 

The trickle of news is infuriating:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japanese-official-says-storage-pool-at-troubled-nuclear-plant-is-at-or-near-boiling-point/2011/03/21/AButdj9_story.html



These are just the predictions for the spread of the nuclear isotopes. Some of them are all over north america and half the world. But they look to be at levels that are not worrisome. I think this site just shows their predictions for the next 24 hours and not further than that (because events can change so quickly). I didn't spend much time looking at it - I just posted it because I tend to trust Norway and thought it was probably accurate. You can see that the iodine isotopes (the ones you take potassium iodide for) decay before they get very far (which is one of the reasons we don't need potassium iodide on the west coast). Cesium is one of the worrisome ones, having a long halflife and causing a lot of damage - it IS capable of hitting the coast; there is nothing you can swallow to mitigate its damages the way potassium iodide mitigates radioactive iodine, and it stays in the soil for a lonnnnngggg time, but the levels are not concerning and it does not appear they will get concerning.

 

The news about the spent fuel pools being at or near-boiling you can pretty much assume is accurate. Its boiled over several times already. The spent fuel seems to be always in a state of about to blow, just having finished blowing, or rising in temperature. I think the last time it vented (boiled over) was this morning.  

 

Now that power has been restored, perhaps permanently but probably not, they are better able to see how much damage has been done. They are finding significant damage from seawater (which causes pipes to corrode). Some sites are saying the damage is due to the tsunami, other sites are saying using seawater to cool the fuel has caused the corrosion. Whatever the reason, they can't keep using seawater and have to get purified water in there to cool. By "can't keep using seawater" I mean they need to transition to purified water sources within a couple months.

 

post #231 of 311

Let's heal Japan.

 

http://www.letshealjapan.com/

 

post #232 of 311

Here are medical research studies, evidence-based science on GreenMedInfo.com, demonstrating the radioactivity protective benefits of 84 substances, including for Radioiodine -131, Ceisum- 137,Uranium and Plutonium Toxicity.

 

 

Curcumin      
Potassium Iodide      
Fiber      
Seaweed      
Holy Basil      
Echinacea      
Berberine      
Ginkgo biloba      
Kelp      
Sodium Alginate      
Catechin      
Resveratrol      
Carotenoids      
Ellagic Acid      
Melatonin      
Vitamin E      
Cocoa      
Mung Bean      
Woad      
Bee Propolis      
Bixin      
Fucoidan      
Acetyl-l-carnitine      
Angelica      
Apricot      
Ayurvedic formulation: Liv52      
Beta-glucan      
Broccoli      
Chrysin      
Citrus naringin      
Gotu Kola      
Hesperidin      
NAC (N-acetyl-L-cysteine)      
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5)      
Pine Bark Extract      
Quercetin      
Rosemary      
Rubia Cordifolia      
Sprouts      
Sulforaphane      
caffeic acid      
Apple Pectin      
Calcium      
Cherry: All Varieties      
Copper      
Ginger      
Ginseng (American)      
Mangiferin      
Potassium Iodate      
Probiotics      
Sesame Seeds      
Sodium Bicarbonate      
Turmeric      
Vitamin C      
Antioxidants: Fat Soluble      
Carnosol      
Carsonic Acid      
Chlorogenic acid      
Eugenol      
Flavonoids      
Gentian      
Ginsenosides      
Glutamine      
Lycopene      
Rutin      
Spirulina      
Tocotrienol: Delta      
beta-Carotene      
Chelation Therapy: EDTA      
Potassium  

 

Please share this information on to all who need it. This is a REPOST since some people choose to IGNORE the myriad of radiation protective alternatives which are available and prefer to inflame fears with "POTENTIAL" what-ifs and fear-mongering.

 

 

 

Pat

post #233 of 311

"there is nothing you can swallow to mitigate its damages the way potassium iodide mitigates radioactive iodine,"

 

That information is not accurate. Please see MEDICAL RESEARCH rather than headlines for information: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/radiation-induced-illness-cesium-137-exposure

Pat


Edited by WuWei - 3/22/11 at 2:36pm
post #234 of 311
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

"there is nothing you can swallow to mitigate its damages the way potassium iodide mitigates radioactive iodine,"

 

That information is not accurat. Please see MEDICAL RESEARCH rather than headlines for information: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/radiation-induced-illness-cesium-137-exposure

Pat



Interesting!

post #235 of 311
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

Please share this information on to all who need it. This is a REPOST since some people choose to IGNORE the myriad of radiation protective alternatives which are available and prefer to inflame fears with "POTENTIAL" what-ifs and fear-mongering.






I have not ignored your post but I also didn't THANK YOU for pulling all that together. flowersforyou.gif
post #236 of 311

I thank you too--each of you.  I am so thankful for this thread.  I read it multiple times a day. 

 

I received and filled my 55 gallon water barrel today.  That felt so good!

Sending lots of peace your directions!

post #237 of 311
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

 

Please share this information on to all who need it. This is a REPOST since some people choose to IGNORE the myriad of radiation protective alternatives which are available and prefer to inflame fears with "POTENTIAL" what-ifs and fear-mongering.

 

 

 

Pat


I don't think its fair to say anyone has ignored all the protections and natural substances that nature offers in this situation.  It seems like most mamas here are using many different healing and protective regimens that resonate with each of us, after researching and listening and seeking and questioning.  If I choose to use iodine supplementally or to have it on hand does not mean that I eschew all the wondrous substances on your list or from all the other resources I've found.

 

If fears are inflamed, I don't thing it should be blamed on the people who are bystanders in this.  The entire nuclear world was grown in secrecy and war and has an ugly, eerie and sinister history.  It is also a hard science for lay people to understand, and I think its normal and healthy to be skeptical and suspicious of it.  It is a technology that doesn't belong on this planet and I wish the distrust was higher, personally.  Maybe then we wouldn't take so many deadly risks with it.  

 

It is human nature in times of a disaster to try and determine how it might affect ourselves and our families.  I think a lot of us mamas here are people who question what we are told, especially if we suspect that there may be ulterior motives involved, which there usually are.  Fear-mongering is a powerful tool that is used for the purpose of personal gain, and I don't think that's what's going on here.  It's my job to look at the potentials and what-ifs of life.  

 

Its fair enough if you think that anyone with fears about this is loopy, but fear doesn't equal fear-mongering.  And...I don't know about anyone else but I never ignore your posts...about anything.  

 

 

 

post #238 of 311

WuWei: great list! Thank you for passing this on.

post #239 of 311

Thanks for that link, Wuwei.

 

I am off to Whole Foods right now to get some Apple Pectin for my kids.

post #240 of 311

OK, how awful and horrifying that infants cannot drink the water. I was expecting that, but to hear it confirmed breaks me. As a mama who has to supplement it gives me the tremors. 

 

I have a question, and this might sound stupid, but do I incorporate those foods or eat only those foods and vitamins?

 

Mamaupupup did you fill your water gallon in case of emergency, or because you think we won't be able to drink our water?

 

wishing you all the best.

 

and of course thank you wuwei! You seem like a good person to befriend winky.gif

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