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post #21 of 199
It is so nice to have this support as I am so for Jesus. But I tried to conform to man made religion and it actually got me further from God and when I am now accepting mysticism, I am so much closer to God. And my dh and I are super close finally. We are so much in love again.
post #22 of 199

bluebirdmama, that is so cool. The same happened for me once I let go of the "religion" I "should" have.

 

On a note in regards to man made church; my most recent experience has led me to confusion once again.

We moved to a new town. I want to make friends here so badly. Really good, spiritual friends. So I decided to give a women's study a shot. However, I left feeling worse. Like I didn't fit in. I couldn't participate in the absurdity of what they were discussing. Especially when discussing how we address our husbands, men, etc. 

On a humanist level it felt wrong. On a Jesus level, it felt wrong. 

I also cannot accept that homosexuality is a sin. This is a really hard church thing for me. When a pastor just says, "those who are homosexual, who watch pornography, adulterers, abusers". Who chose those as the sins we are most concerned about???

I think what? What happened to "he who is without send cast the first stone". 

Ok, so I am rambling/venting here. But, my point is, every time I try to make friends (at church) we can't click in that way. I don't agree with them. I also don't want my children being around people who openly point out others "sins".

I am biblical. I am a Jesus Freak. I believe God connects to us in a much more intense way then Sunday Service. 

 

I am yearning for more companions that feel likewise. I am a UU with Jesus as my guide. 

post #23 of 199
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It is so nice to have this support as I am so for Jesus. But I tried to conform to man made religion and it actually got me further from God and when I am now accepting mysticism, I am so much closer to God. And my dh and I are super close finally. We are so much in love again.
 


I think this is what made me push away, between looking at seminary and heading up a faith based agency, I have seen myself going from a love of Christ to actually realizing that the hypocrisy I have seen in recent years from Christians has pushed me away. Yet in trying to accept a new way of thinking out of the box, I feel like my faith is growing. Granted years of the think XYZ or else thought process is going yo be hard for me to shake.

 

post #24 of 199
Bonjourmama, I am too looking for that mystic Jesus mama group, but for some reason I find just one or the other. So having been on the far side of the judgmental christian group, I am trying out the mystic group and hopefully I will connect to some about Jesus there. Perhaps it is just my perception but it seems like mystic mamas are more open to those loving jesus than the christian mamas accepting some mysticism. Is this just me? Or perhaps it was the christian religion I was in.

I am now able to feel God in everything especially walking in nature more. I am thinking about having a sabbath in the woods instead of in a chapel. Anyone do this? I would have never dreamed of this in the past as I was told it is more holy to be in the meeting building than "wild pagan woods". But didn't Christ retreat to the wilderness for 40 days to be spiritually filled?
post #25 of 199
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Praise God, Buebirdmama1....that's what relationship with Jesus is all about! And yes, sadly mystics are more accepting of Christianity than fundamentalist Christians are of mysticism. But I think the tide is changing, most of my generation (I am 29) that was raised in the fundamentalist church has left it, but still identifies with Jesus. And absolutely, nature is a place to experience God. I started hiking recently and it is very meditative, I feel my body mind and spirit come into alignment and I finish my hike praising God. The other place to experience God is in true community, not in buildings or man made service structures.

 

Sapientia....to be perfectly honest this is why I started this thread. This part of my journey really only came to fruition a couple of weeks ago.The only people in real life I feel I can really open up to about this at this point are my husband, my Mom and another guy in our home church who also identifies as a Christian mystic. Actually, the sad thing is I feel I can tell strangers or anyone outside my circle of evangelical friends and family who's opinion of me I DO care about.

 

Bonjourmama, I TOTALLY know what you mean. The interesting place I find myself in is my husband and I are part of a small home church that I'm positive God really brought together. We meet Sundays with all the families, and every other Thursday the men and women switch off having prayer groups. It is through this that I started growing in my faith even more, we have had crazy instances of the Holy Spirit speak to us (such as several times two people having the same scripture at the same time....hence we could be mind reading for all I know haha). The main thing is is we just are trying to seek Jesus, do exactly what we see in the gospels, and live in the Kingdom of God. So I love these people dearly, we are experiencing God together. But they all are still very conservative theologically. One girl shared a few weeks ago about wifely submission and letting the husband lead. I felt at that point I should keep my mouth closed, and not always have to be right....as this particular girl rarely speaks in our meetings and I didn't feel it would be loving to smash her ideas to pieces. I tried explaining to my husband as well that if we confessed to them that we don't think homosexuality is a sin, they would probably have an intervention, lay hands on us and do a Bible study with us on the subject. Or that I think my Jehovah's Witness co-worker is just as "saved" as me. I guess at this point I am just deferring to love, experiencing God with these people...and hopefully when my beliefs come out they will defer to love and the fact that they have seen Jesus in me.

 

Shayinme, I always wondered why I heard of so many people going to seminary and losing their faith. It's because I now know that there is no life in systematic theology, you cannot explain God. I don't think we can ever know absolute truth, but we can experience the Truth. "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life." (John 5:39,40). DH and I have a friend we have known for years that lives out of state and we debate online all the time. He is very systematically Reformed in his theology, and I first started feeling like the a heretic talking to him long before I realized I was a mystic. He throws around the words "heretic" and "heresy" though he hasn't directed that at us YET, I am just waiting for the day haha. The other day we were debating something and he used the phrase "this is so blatantly biblical", so DH pointed out that the current Reformed theology on this topic was nothing like that of the early church's view on the topic...so how could he claim to know what the "blatant" biblical truth was about it.

 

But also I fight a little fear on this journey because a few people I knew who went down this path lost their faith completely and now identify as atheists. So again I find peace in that I have experienced God and can never deny that. No one talked me into my faith, so they cannot talk me out of it. I am no longer trying to conform to someone else's idea of theology, which I wonder if my friends still were trying to fit God into a box and so gave up completely. I don't know if they had any real experiences with God, but rather believed out of fear or someone telling them what to believe, so that when the facts started to blur to them, they had nothing of their own to stand on. I don't know. I just know Jesus.

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post #26 of 199
Thread Starter 

Have any of you found this website yet? I have just been looking over it. Maybe there is a way to network with people somewhat near to where you live? : http://christianmystics.com/

post #27 of 199
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Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1 View Post

Bonjourmama, I am too looking for that mystic Jesus mama group, but for some reason I find just one or the other. So having been on the far side of the judgmental christian group, I am trying out the mystic group and hopefully I will connect to some about Jesus there. Perhaps it is just my perception but it seems like mystic mamas are more open to those loving jesus than the christian mamas accepting some mysticism. Is this just me? Or perhaps it was the christian religion I was in.

I am now able to feel God in everything especially walking in nature more. I am thinking about having a sabbath in the woods instead of in a chapel. Anyone do this? I would have never dreamed of this in the past as I was told it is more holy to be in the meeting building than "wild pagan woods". But didn't Christ retreat to the wilderness for 40 days to be spiritually filled?

This is so deep...yes Christ went out into the wilderness to pray/think/meditate...yet in many of today's churches if you said this you would be met with raised eyebrows. Which frankly makes no sense, instead Christians are told not to "worship" creation. I just don't get it. If we are to be Christ-like would it not make sense that we too may consider this? Sigh....just thinking outloud here.
 

 

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Praise God, Buebirdmama1....that's what relationship with Jesus is all about! And yes, sadly mystics are more accepting of Christianity than fundamentalist Christians are of mysticism. But I think the tide is changing, most of my generation (I am 29) that was raised in the fundamentalist church has left it, but still identifies with Jesus. And absolutely, nature is a place to experience God. I started hiking recently and it is very meditative, I feel my body mind and spirit come into alignment and I finish my hike praising God. The other place to experience God is in true community, not in buildings or man made service structures.

 

Sapientia....to be perfectly honest this is why I started this thread. This part of my journey really only came to fruition a couple of weeks ago.The only people in real life I feel I can really open up to about this at this point are my husband, my Mom and another guy in our home church who also identifies as a Christian mystic. Actually, the sad thing is I feel I can tell strangers or anyone outside my circle of evangelical friends and family who's opinion of me I DO care about.

 

Bonjourmama, I TOTALLY know what you mean. The interesting place I find myself in is my husband and I are part of a small home church that I'm positive God really brought together. We meet Sundays with all the families, and every other Thursday the men and women switch off having prayer groups. It is through this that I started growing in my faith even more, we have had crazy instances of the Holy Spirit speak to us (such as several times two people having the same scripture at the same time....hence we could be mind reading for all I know haha). The main thing is is we just are trying to seek Jesus, do exactly what we see in the gospels, and live in the Kingdom of God. So I love these people dearly, we are experiencing God together. But they all are still very conservative theologically. One girl shared a few weeks ago about wifely submission and letting the husband lead. I felt at that point I should keep my mouth closed, and not always have to be right....as this particular girl rarely speaks in our meetings and I didn't feel it would be loving to smash her ideas to pieces. I tried explaining to my husband as well that if we confessed to them that we don't think homosexuality is a sin, they would probably have an intervention, lay hands on us and do a Bible study with us on the subject. Or that I think my Jehovah's Witness co-worker is just as "saved" as me. I guess at this point I am just deferring to love, experiencing God with these people...and hopefully when my beliefs come out they will defer to love and the fact that they have seen Jesus in me.

 

Shayinme, I always wondered why I heard of so many people going to seminary and losing their faith. It's because I now know that there is no life in systematic theology, you cannot explain God. I don't think we can ever know absolute truth, but we can experience the Truth. "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life." (John 5:39,40). DH and I have a friend we have known for years that lives out of state and we debate online all the time. He is very systematically Reformed in his theology, and I first started feeling like the a heretic talking to him long before I realized I was a mystic. He throws around the words "heretic" and "heresy" though he hasn't directed that at us YET, I am just waiting for the day haha. The other day we were debating something and he used the phrase "this is so blatantly biblical", so DH pointed out that the current Reformed theology on this topic was nothing like that of the early church's view on the topic...so how could he claim to know what the "blatant" biblical truth was about it.

 

But also I fight a little fear on this journey because a few people I knew who went down this path lost their faith completely and now identify as atheists. So again I find peace in that I have experienced God and can never deny that. No one talked me into my faith, so they cannot talk me out of it. I am no longer trying to conform to someone else's idea of theology, which I wonder if my friends still were trying to fit God into a box and so gave up completely. I don't know if they had any real experiences with God, but rather believed out of fear or someone telling them what to believe, so that when the facts started to blur to them, they had nothing of their own to stand on. I don't know. I just know Jesus.

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You were meant to start this thread. Just this week I told my husband that I no longer felt I was a Christian yet I really can't say I am a Pagan as the more I look deeper into it, there are many things there that don't resonate with me and at my core I still pray and praise Jesus. Its just that for me I see the divine as a woman in many facets, how can I not look at the ocean (live 10 mins away in Maine) and not see God and feel that peace?

 

Due to my work, I know many who have gone to seminary and yes in many ways it does become a place you lose your faith I think in part because your view expands and without the type of discussion we are having now its easy to say maybe I have lost my faith. I have struggled with that idea as well, yet again I didn't lose my faith its simply not that faith I had as a young person, its more expansive. For me this journey started 7 years ago with the death of my Mom, I was mad at God because I believed she would be healed....then things happened that brought me to this place.

 

Unfortunately because of my work I do have to be mindful who I am talking to about this, my faith and confession of Jesus was part of getting my job. Granted half of my board would be fine with this direction I am taking but the other half of my board is conservative Baptist folks and if I had this conversation with them...well it might not be too good. :-(

post #29 of 199
Thread Starter 

That is encouraging, thank you. It does feel like we all found this thread at a turning point in our lives, I would venture to say a sign from God that He/She (I have to consciously stop referring to God as only male....it's habit) cares very much about our journey of faith and is bringing sisters alongside to support.

post #30 of 199
A few months ago I would have turned my head up at a comment of God as a woman, but in healing myself I am having to really allow the feminine goddess side of me to open up. I was doing some meditation the other day and I was praying to God and I was so drawn to call Divine Mother, and some amazing healing started to happen emotionally and I couldn't hold the tears back. I still don't know if they are separate (as there is another nice discussion going on in a different thread about it) but I feel a definite female love/presence. Not sure if this is going away form mystic discussion, but it is what is helping me to heal and change.
There is a book that I wish every woman would read called Aphrodites Daughters. The cover phrase puts it nicely, "Women's Sexual Stories and the Journey of the Soul". It is a very spiritual book. I am almost done with it and it has changed my life already!

I wanted to share that I had tried to shut off any spiritual things not related to my church and now am open to it. I have alot of dream that show the future, and visit with the "other side". The other night I dreamed that I got up and saw a particular animal in the kitchen hanging out with my cat. When I woke up I told dh about it how it was so real. He then told me that years ago he had some journey work done with a Shamen and his spirit animal is the animal I saw in the kitchen.
post #31 of 199

What is so comforting to me is that I have felt a profound peace inside-(one that surpasses understanding I suppose) since I stopped trying to 'cut and paste' what I should and shouldnt believe-and no, I don't mean taking parts of the bible out that I don't believe in to make my life simpler (Please ladies, that wasn't directed at any assumption anyone here would have, that was a response to that voice of my grandmother, and all the preachers I've known).

It's that I know that there is more.

I was told, once, to pray that my discernment/psychic abilities/empathy/healing ability (which can be pretty durn strong) would be taken away from me if it was not from God. So I did. Nothing stopped...in fact I felt like I cut off an sense, you know? I felt like I had lost a way of going through the world. So I accepted that I can do what I do, and that as long as it helps others, then it's good. 

 

 

I'm loving reading these responses!

 

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A few months ago I would have turned my head up at a comment of God as a woman, but in healing myself I am having to really allow the feminine goddess side of me to open up. I was doing some meditation the other day and I was praying to God and I was so drawn to call Divine Mother, and some amazing healing started to happen emotionally and I couldn't hold the tears back. I still don't know if they are separate (as there is another nice discussion going on in a different thread about it) but I feel a definite female love/presence. Not sure if this is going away form mystic discussion, but it is what is helping me to heal and change.
There is a book that I wish every woman would read called Aphrodites Daughters. The cover phrase puts it nicely, "Women's Sexual Stories and the Journey of the Soul". It is a very spiritual book. I am almost done with it and it has changed my life already!

I wanted to share that I had tried to shut off any spiritual things not related to my church and now am open to it. I have alot of dream that show the future, and visit with the "other side". The other night I dreamed that I got up and saw a particular animal in the kitchen hanging out with my cat. When I woke up I told dh about it how it was so real. He then told me that years ago he had some journey work done with a Shamen and his spirit animal is the animal I saw in the kitchen.


Good book to check out I am just finishing it is by Joan Borysenko and its called A Woman's Journey to God; Finding the Feminine Path. More later.

 

post #33 of 199
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This is so deep...yes Christ went out into the wilderness to pray/think/meditate...yet in many of today's churches if you said this you would be met with raised eyebrows. Which frankly makes no sense, instead Christians are told not to "worship" creation. I just don't get it. If we are to be Christ-like would it not make sense that we too may consider this? Sigh....just thinking outloud here.
 

 


It also kind of ignores the work that Christ did on behalf of all of creation.  He didn't come here to save us from the world; He came to save us with the world.  I think that many churches do not make that connection, and there does seem to be a fear of being seen as pagan or something if actual physical objects are used in worship.  Traditional Christianity does not have this disconnect that you find in many modern churches.  The physical is very much a part of the experience - incense, candles, water that has been blessed, icons, bells, and so on...these are not things which were taken from the pagans and therefore something to disdain.  They are part of God's GOOD creation.  God became a physical human being in the incarnation - doesn't that say something about the goodness of it all?

 

I also must say that traditional Christianity does not have the same outlook on women, I think, as the more fundamentalist/evangelical churches do (from what I've gathered by reading about them).  I also think this may have something to do with a fear of paganism and a misunderstanding of the Theotokos (Mary) and her role in things.  Theotokos means God-bearer, and I love contemplating the significance of a woman giving birth to God!  That is something that is pretty much incomprehensible to me...and really, how can you say that women are subservient to men when a woman played such a vital role in the most important thing that has ever happened on earth?  Apparently God did not find women to be inferior.  winky.gif

 

I'm enjoying reading this discussion.  It's interesting, though, because I'm coming from the opposite position as most of you:  My parents are an agnostic (dad) and a bitter atheist (mom), and my grandparents took me to a very liberal Methodist church.  Then I spent 16 years as an adult as a pagan, so I have a lot of experience exploring that whole side of things, too.  Never would have imagined where I've ended up coming from that background.  lol.gif

 

 

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Have any of you found this website yet? I have just been looking over it. Maybe there is a way to network with people somewhat near to where you live? : http://christianmystics.com/

That's an interesting site.  I really like this part:

To travel into the world of the Christian mystic, one must discard concepts such as ego, pride and spiritual materialism in favor of adopting a sense of humility and hopeful expectation. It is to begin a great and stirring adventure that moves the soul from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of God.

Indeed, one begins to experience the Bible as the living Word of God, which guides the reader from an ego-centric point of view to a mature and deeper sense of God's presence. Jesus' message that the kingdom of God is not out there somewhere, but rather here, within, available to humble through faith, is a personal realization that reaches across time to every human soul willing to follow.

post #34 of 199

Love it. I recently found the Christian empath thread (yesterday) and am so relieved/excited for this. I am a new Christian (a few years) and have been fighting for my faith for awhile.

 

Subbing and praying I have more to say.

post #35 of 199
Thread Starter 

Welcome, sister!
"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest"- Jesus (in Matthew 11:28)

post #36 of 199
Welcome Yummus!
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Welcome, sister!
"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest"- Jesus (in Matthew 11:28)


Amen to that!
post #37 of 199
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It also kind of ignores the work that Christ did on behalf of all of creation.  He didn't come here to save us from the world; He came to save us with the world.  I think that many churches do not make that connection, and there does seem to be a fear of being seen as pagan or something if actual physical objects are used in worship.  Traditional Christianity does not have this disconnect that you find in many modern churches.  The physical is very much a part of the experience - incense, candles, water that has been blessed, icons, bells, and so on...these are not things which were taken from the pagans and therefore something to disdain.  They are part of God's GOOD creation.  God became a physical human being in the incarnation - doesn't that say something about the goodness of it all?

 

I also must say that traditional Christianity does not have the same outlook on women, I think, as the more fundamentalist/evangelical churches do (from what I've gathered by reading about them).  I also think this may have something to do with a fear of paganism and a misunderstanding of the Theotokos (Mary) and her role in things.  Theotokos means God-bearer, and I love contemplating the significance of a woman giving birth to God!  That is something that is pretty much incomprehensible to me...and really, how can you say that women are subservient to men when a woman played such a vital role in the most important thing that has ever happened on earth?  Apparently God did not find women to be inferior.  winky.gif

 


This about mary and women I have never quite heard put like that. Thanks!
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post #39 of 199
Thread Starter 

Welcome, Panserbjorne..and I forgot to officially welcome Rebecca2009!

 

Yes, thank you for that insight about the Theotokos, Purple Sage....it is beautiful and powerful. Coming from a protestant view, it is taking me a lot to get over my fear of Mary worship.

post #40 of 199
Thread Starter 

By the way, I am very drawn to Orthodoxy at this point, but don't feel like I could really identify as such. Theologically I feel much closer to Orthodoxy than Catholicism or evangelical protestantism, but I still can't 100% accept any systematic theology. The Orthodox church still does not allow women to be priests, teaches homosexuality is a sin, etc. Also, I could worship in the strict structure of the liturgy, but I also have experienced the freedom of the Holy Spirit and can't merely confine Him/Her/It to that. I wouldn't be free to share something the Holy Spirit is speaking to me in the gathering, etc.

 

But I still am growing a great deal in my faith by searching out Orthodoxy.

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