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Slow weight gain - please help!

post #1 of 6
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Hi everyone - this is long, I'm sorry! I've tried to edit it down, I promise!

DS2 is 12 weeks old. His birth weight was 7lbs2. He was down to 6lbs11 at day 5, and then at 2.5 weeks he was 8lbs6! We thought we were off to a great start and continued as normal for another 5 weeks, when we went for another weigh-in. At that point (7.5 weeks) he had only gained 2 ounces - in 5 weeks! Yikes. At 9.5 weeks he had gained another 8 ounces, which, though a bit on the low side for 2 weeks, we were really happy with considering the poor weight gain before that. At 11.5 weeks he had gained another 6 ounces, making his weight now 9lbs6.

We aren't happy with the 6 ounces in 2 weeks. We had hoped that the 8 ounce gain was a step in the right direction and that his weight gain would continue to increase. (I keep 5-7 ounces a week in mind for a good weight gain.) Going down is not the right direction! I'm worried that my supply is dwindling. I would say his diaper output is mostly OK though he's certainly not a heavy wetter. He poops usually once or twice a day. He's a happy, strong, alert, active baby. So that's all good.

During those 5 weeks of almost no gain everyone else in the family had been sick - me, dh, ds1. Ds2 had some green poops during this time, which we thought might be a foremilk/hindmilk thing at the time so I did a bit of block feeding but never figured out if it was related or not and went back to normal feeding. His poops went back to normal a bit before the two week period that he gained 8 ounces, so we think now that maybe he was sick during that time too and that's why he didn't gain much. But I also worry that during that time my supply suffered.

His latch has never been textbook, but I've had a doula and a nurse from public health check it and they think it's fine. Ds1's latch was the same, and after struggling to improve it with him I gave up and decided it was 'good enough' - and it was good enough for over four years of nursing! I still wonder if I can't improve it though. I do get a lipstick nipple and white nipple on one side a lot of the time, but don't know why. It doesn't hurt though. His latch used to be quite shallow but as he's gotten older (and bigger, kind of!) it's just improved naturally I think. It is still shallow at times but I either relatch him or let it be and after nursing a few minutes it normally improves.


He is at the breast a lot, but a lot of it isn't active feeding. He comfort nurses a lot, which I understand still stimulates milk production but isn't getting the calories in him. He also falls asleep during feeds very easily. We get into a cycle of him nursing a bit, falling asleep, jerking away, nursing a bit more, sleeping a bit more, and repeat. It results in not a great sleep and not a great feed. I've been trying switch nursing this past week to keep him awake which is helping, but I never quite know when to switch sides. When he goes into comfort sucking mode, or just lays there with boob in mouth looking around, or starts to fall asleep, I do breast compressions. I try that a few times and then also normally wait a bit to just see if another letdown will come on its own. If nothing happens after a few minutes, then I switch sides. Should I switch though as soon as he isn't actively sucking? Also I'm worried that this way he isn't getting the hindmilk. We usually end with comfort nursing on one side after it seems like he's had a good feed, so maybe he's getting hindmilk then? This all takes a long time and feeds are normally about an hour.

He also latches on and off quite a lot, in frustration, mostly on the right but sometimes on the left. I figure it's him wanting a faster letdown or more milk. The last week he doesn't latch on and off so much as moans and grumbles at the breast instead. I started doing breast compression after we realized he wasn't gaining well and *sometimes* doing compressions will stop the moaning. When he starts to grumble should I switch him to the other side straight away? I haven't been straight away - instead doing compressions, massage, burp him - and after a while if it isn't helping I'll switch him. My thought was if that breast is having trouble making milk I want to have him nursing there as much as possible, but I'm wondering if at the grumble stage if I shouldn't just switch the poor lad to a better breast right away so he at least gets milk and is happy, and then try the other breast after??

I started taking fenugreek and blessed thistle on Wednesday. I totally smell like maple syrup! I noticed an increase in supply on Friday, but not a huge amount. I started taking domperidone on Sunday. I'm not sure how long it'll take to notice an increase?

 

We've been doing lots of nursing in bed, skin to skin, resting, drinking lots of water, eating oatmeal, etc.

 

My feeling is that because of sickness, sleepy baby and poor latch my milk supply started to go down, which resulted in more of a sleepy baby at breast and more poor latch, which decreased my milk more, etc etc. I'm hoping if I can get my supply up, get him used to being awake at the breast and actively feeding, and ideally fix his latch, then he will start gaining more weight and his nursing will then maintain my supply. But what else can I do to help my milk supply? Do I just need to wait for the domperidone to kick in? I am not a patient person!


Also, is there a difference between slow letdown and low supply? Even with the increase in supply, we've still had plenty of grumbling at the breast. I'm not quite sure what's going on with that. It does certainly get worse as the day goes on.

Well if you've read to the end of this I applaud you!! I'm sorry it's such a novel. On the WHO growth charts he is way below the 3rd percentile. I know that's just one measurement and really he is a happy, strong baby (though in my more paranoid moments I think he's becoming less and less of a happy baby!), but I'm still worried. Thanks so much for reading and any advice/support you can offer!

post #2 of 6

Do you mind saying which province you are in?

 

A couple of thoughts... (nak so this will be short)

 

has he been checked by someone really knowledgeable for tongue-tie? Something about this says tongue-tie to me.

 

are you pumping at all? That would help your supply (if you respond to the pump) until you get this sorted.

 

Have you considered domperidone? It works fast for many women.

 

<<hugs>> will write again if i think of more.

post #3 of 6
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I'm in Halifax, NS. He hasn't been checked for tongue tie, though about a month ago it was something I was seriously wondering about because he has a heart shaped tip of the tongue. But he can stick his tongue out really far now and loves to play with his tongue! I have an appointment with my GP next week so can ask her about it, but i have no idea how much she knows about tongue tie. Surely if he can stick his tongue out it can't be a problem??

 

I'm not pumping. I found it soul destroying with my ds1 - pump, pump, pump for tiny amounts! I did look into renting a hospital grade double pump, but it gets expensive and the thought of pumping really, really stresses me out. Of course I will if I have to!

 

I started taking domperidone on Sunday - 3x3 a day. I'm hoping it'll kick in soon!

 

Thanks for your reply! :)

post #4 of 6

Believe me, after nursing troubles with two kids I HATE, HATE, HATE pumping. I've been pumping after every feed with my five-week-old and it's awful.

But from everything I've read, dom really works better with lots of good milk removal. If your babe isn't doing it, a pump is the best option. Whatever milk you get you can also use to supplement, ideally at the breast with a SNS or Lact-Aid or with a cup or syringe. I try to limit a whole session of active nursing (with compressions at the end) and then pumping to an hour to maintain my sanity. Comfort nursing is fine but everything I've read says it's milk removal that builds supply.

What's getting me through is the resolve that it's not permanent and in your case, I really suspect it could be a short term solution to bump up your supply while your figure out it there's a TT or another problem and your babe gets more efficient at nursing. Do check for TT.

There IS a difference between slow letdown and low supply. I have low supply and a relatively fast letdown which has been a godsend. I would NOT block feed, it's a technique to treat oversupply and my LC tells me that more recent research has shown that slow gaining is due to too little milk not the "wrong" milk.

Hang in there!

post #5 of 6

nak

 

heart shaped tongue tip - yup! to get that shape it's gotta be tongue tied.

 

 

with poor weight gain, I would ask to have it clipped asap if that were my guy. sticking it out is only 1 movement - it has to go up too, so a tie + poor weight gain would make me think it could be inhibiting good milk transfer, so it would be a clip right away for me.

 

if you call the public health breastfeeding line in h'fax I would hope they would know of docs who could see you right away to clip. after 3 months they are much less likely to clip in the office without general anesthetic, so time is crucial!

 

 

post #6 of 6
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Thanks ladies! I had him weighed a couple of days ago and it looks like he's gaining better - but it was on a different scale than the doc's (though one we've had him weighed on before so we compared it to the last weight on that scale) so we don't have exacts. I'm going to give it a bit more time before I start pumping - he only naps in my arms and nurses for long periods of time so I don't really have much free time for pumping anyhow. If we aren't seeing a good improvement soon though I'll try pumping. Boo hoo! ;)

 

I'll ask the doc on Tuesday about tongue tie and see if she knows anything. I actually know three other kids that had the heart shaped tongue and didn't have tongue tie - or at least it was so mild that it wasn't worth doing anything about. I think my oldest had it, actually, but doesn't anymore. Anyhow, I'm definitely reluctant to get it clipped - from what I understand it's not as simple as it'd be if he was just a few weeks old and also not necessarily as successful in terms of improving latch and suck at this stage, since he's quite 'old' to relearn latching and suckling. But I also want to make sure that whatever is causing the slow weight gain is fixed!

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