The BSL Graduate/Stalking Thread - SPRING Edition - HOORAY, SPRING!!! - Page 2

[miriam_bat_avraham]

YYYM! I've missed you! Yep, we're both in the Boston area and have met up for dinner twice actually

Lauren-- 14 MONTHS?! not possible!!! How did she get so old already? Oh my gosh... That's incredible. Glad you popped back in!!

[KellyTTC#1]

Hi Everyone!

I know I've been MIA.  I have read the thread a couple times but never had time to reply. 

A big congrats to all of the recent BFPs.  I love reading about fellow IVFers who have finally made it to the other side!  Big hugs to all!

Nanette: congrats on the twins.  I'm looking forward to reading more when you have time to post!!

I can't believe my girls are 4 1/2 months now... so much fun!

Here's a recent photo.  Have to run to get cyring baby... will write more soon

[miriam_bat_avraham]

What beautiful little ladies, Kelly!

[Maurine]

Blue - So good to see you over here saying hello!  PM me with how you're doing, ok? 

MBA - YAY!  I already sent you a big congrats.  Thanks for the PM.  We've been terribly busy lately and I haven't been on MDC too much--so I missed it all!  But a big YAY!

Tear - I am feeling you on the DDC thing.  I mean, I like them a lot, and I even post often, but I don't feel it's as much of a "shared journey" as infertility was.  Is that weird?  Anyway, you are more than welcome to start a thread (if you're up to it) for those with infertility.  Or not...are we the only 2?

Nanette - Congrats!!!  I am glad your boys are healthy and you are happy.

YYYM - Good to see you again.  Yup, I am in the Boston area.  We should definitely get together with MBA.  Three of us in different stages.  One with a 5 month old, one at 21 weeks pregnant, and one newly pregnant!

AFM - Baby Boy kicks daily now.  He definitely has sleep cycles.  DH felt him a while back, and now we're hoping to see him move!  Sometimes I think when I lift my shirt to look, he gets still from the sudden light.  I am feeling good.  Not great, but better than 1st tri!  I have back and groin pain.  Getting a massage next week, so we'll see how that goes.

[rcr]

Hi All:

Just posting to subscribe to the new thread. I love seeing all the new babies and hearing about how they are doing (kicking already, Maurine)! Congrats Nanette! I think you made the best decision - I would have done the same thing.

Hugs and kisses to all of you!

[miriam_bat_avraham]

Maurine and YYYM-- I'm busy the next two weekends but around the one after that

[Nanette56]

Ok I'm back! Hopefully I have some time to type my long birth story before the boys wake up from their nap! 

Congrats to Miriam and everyone else who has recently joined the graduate thread!! I'm going to be rooting you all on, and praying for some more ++ coming up from the BSL proper! :) So went into the hospital for the section on Friday (37 weeks gestation). Per my previous post, both babies were still breech, my platelet count kept decreasing, and the words general anesthesia kept floating out of my OB's mouth, so I could have chanced it, and taken the risk that my platelet count (which was at 104) could drop below 100, and then have to get a c-section with general anesthesia, OR, go ahead and get the section at 37 weeks with a spinal. I chose the latter. I'm glad I did, my platelet count was at 118 when I went in for the section and 101 when they tested me the next day. I think the anesthesiologist might not have wanted to chance it, had he seen it that low.

ANYWAY, I got in for the section at 3, my doula, DH and mom at my side, but an emergency came up with my OB, so I didn't actually end up going in until like 5 (talk about starving! I hadn't eaten anything since 5:30am!!!) My OB, knowing me, bent every single hospital rule. He allowed me to breastfeed in the OR, and had the lactation consultant scrub up and made sure when he draped the curtain he had it low enough that it wouldn't interfere. He let my doula into the OR along with my DH, which was prior to pretty unheard of, especially with a twin section, where there's already a million people in there- She was able to take pictures, and watch over the nurses to make sure no one administered eye goop or vitamin K :) I have a lot of great pictures. I got both babies latched on and suckling for about 20 minutes each in the OR, they were so good!! The poor doc (who is like the best in our area for sections, the director of the huge OB/GYN practice, and very natural birth friendly) accidentally sewed a sponge into my uterus, and when they did the sponge count, realized they were one short, he had to re-open me and fish around in there for it- kinda scary for everyone. Other than that, the actual section went off without a hitch.

Neither of the boys went to the nursery after that, they just followed me right into recovery per my instructions. Even though the babies scored 9 and 8 on their Apgars, Tristan began having respiratory issues once we got to recovery. I knew it was nothing, I told the resident ped, I thought it was likely just fluid in his lungs from the section. Well my pediatrician decided to go on vacation last week and not let me know, so even though my birth plan said no pediatric residents, here I was stuck with a paranoid one. They took him to the nursery. I didn't hear back from him for another hour or so, when he came to tell us that the breathing rate had decreased a little but was still in the 80s. He wanted to administer antibiotics (PRIOR TO EVEN GETTING BLOOD TESTS!!!) I pretty much screamed at him, and told the Charge nurse I wanted to see the Attending RIGHT NOW. She said he wasn't at the hospital, and I said I didn't care, and I wanted him here now. So she had to call him in. He was pissed to be called out of his bed to deal with this, agreeing with everything his resident said, and I absolutely refused to do antibiotics until we got the full scope of blood tests back to see about sepsis.

The next argument came when they wouldn't let me BF him because they were afraid of aspiration. (I didn't learn until after we were discharged that even if a baby aspirates breast milk, because it is a bodily fluid, it is simply reabsorbed and wouldn't cause infection- GAH!!) So they inserted an NG tube and wanted me to pump 30 ml (THIRTY ML!) of Colostrum for him every 3 hours!! While nursing another child!!!! I was so upset- they told me if I couldn't, they would have to give him formula. I advised them if they gave him anything but Breastmilk, they'd be facing a lawsuit. My doula got a hold of the local donor bank, but no one was available until the next morning, so she called her best friend, who was nursing a 3 month old, to bring in some of her breast milk. OMG, when I told the nurses and the pediatrician they freaked. Not screened etc etc. Well we made them call the legal department and guess what? They had to let him have it :) I just signed a consent, and the mama brought the breast milk at 1am that morning! The next morning the bank sent over 30 ounces!!! To make a long story short, he was in the nursery for an entire day and a half before they allowed me to start nursing him again. DH and I took turns with Kangaroo care and skin to skin the entire time. He latched like a champ, and was allowed to return to our room, because guess what- his tests were all negative (oh and they ran a urine screen on him for illegal drugs, because the doctor said he was "jittery"- the a**hole) no sepsis, no drugs, just a healthy baby with a little fluid in his lungs.

We were discharged the very next day, but before that, the attending came in with all his residents, and had my DH and I talk to them about what Kangaroo care was, what skin to skin was and why I was so adamant about those things, and breastfeeding. He admitted he thinks the skin to skin and kangaroo care helped him recover so quickly (duhhh)and complimented me on breastfeeding twins so successfully and said I should win an award (trying to suck up after putting us through all that sh$% if you ask me). Anyway, that's that- we pissed everyone off, got away with everything we wanted, and I'm sure everyone was happy to see us leave lol- But hey we're home, we're healthy and that's what's important.

ok just in time babies r up! Ill catch up with personals when i can!!

[blueyezz4]

Nanette - You go girl....way to stand your ground!!!!!  So glad to read your story and that both boys and you are all doing well!!!!  How are you feeling?  You didn't mention that!!!  They are both beautiful!!!  Congrats!!!  Can you tell them apart???  My husband is a triplet and his mother said she would put a dab of nail polish on one of their fingers to tell them apart.  I'm sure you could use something else, but I thought that was kinda a cute idea.  Take care!!!

[Tear78]

WOW, NANETTE! What a story!!! Way to go, honey! Your boys are absolutely precious, and I"m glad that they're both doing well. I second the request though, how are you doing? Thanks for sharing!

[Lyndzies]

I just HAD to pop in to congratulate the latest ladies to pop over here from BSL proper!  Woohoo, Julie!  I will definitely be checking in on all of you. 

Tear - so excited to see that you're more than halfway, now!  Hope you are enjoying the second trimester!

AND, way to go, Nanette (and a big welcome to Tristan and Cael!).  That is a crazy story; so proud of you for standing your ground.  Let us know how you're feeling, for sure.  I know recovery can be tough...

Kelly - Those girls are just TOO precious!  Thank you for sharing photos!

Lauren - second'ing the whole "OMG!  14 MONTHS??!"  Time FLIES, woman!

YYYM - hi lady!  I'm so sorry to read that you were dealing w/ PPD issues.  I hope it is all sorting itself out, and that you're well.

LZP - hiya to you, too!  Glad to read that your supply is back up!  Way to go, AV.  And, fingers crossed that you aced the CLC test!

 Jessica - Asher is such a little flirt!  Love the smile. 

I'm sorry I'm missing so many!  But I do follow along, and love keeping up with everyone's experiences (and, seeing pics of the wee ones as they arrive!  So exciting!!!)

AFM - Cady, DP and I are doing well!  I can't believe she is already 5.5 months!  Time really does go so quickly with a little one.  I always knew that was what people said about the passage of time, but it's really crazy when you're actually experiencing it!

She continues to have a great temperament. She doesn't sleep through the night anymore, but usually only wakes once to eat (and often doesn't even fully wake).  She's in a crib in her own room, so it does mean getting up to feed her, but I don't mind.  Honestly, even though I'm blurry-eyed and half-asleep while doing it, I am trying to cherish those moments alone with her. 

She is pretty  much exclusively breastfed, still.  We introduced some solids (she was totally ready) but she doesn't eat with any regularity.  Just for the experience of it, not for nutrition.  Which seems to be fine, because she is continuing to thrive and grow like a weed!  We had an interim weigh-in last Friday, and the chunker was 18lbs, 11oz (clothes on)!  I'm interested to see what her official 6 month weigh-in will be.  :-)

We sort of started talking with our donor about #2.  He's still "thinking about it."  Fingers crossed.  We would LOVE to start TTC #2 in the fall/winter, and we'd really like to use the same donor.

Not much else to report.  I started writing for Offbeat Mama once a month, so that's been fun.  And, I'm really keeping up with the blogging, so please feel free to keep up with us there, too!  Here's some recent pics of the Little Miss.

[Tear78]

Maurine, isn't it amazing to feel those kicks? Our little girl is kicking daily now, too. And I don't feel the need to start an infertility thread, cause I think this crew has just what I need.

Lyndzies, ADORABLE pics!!!

I'd like to do a better post, but if you read on you'll see why I don't have it in me: Is this normal? I'm freaking drained. Just drained. Emotionally, physically. I'm easily pushed to tears at my job. I've been battling a cold for a month now. I just went to the doctor and she doesn't see any need for medication, which was my take on it too. But still, enough already! And I feel like my job duties are too much. Ok, report cards went home last week which means I have 18,000,000 conferences with parents who don't want to hear what I had to say (even though it's not the first time I've said it to them). And I can't quite seem to be able to dig out of the to-do list that piled up while I was over my head busy writing the report cards. I'm just on the edge of my capabilities, my nerves are shaken, and I'm freaking exhausted every day when I come home. I feel like I can't handle it (but it's still all worth it...keep growing little girl!)! Help....

[miriam_bat_avraham]

Originally Posted by Tear78 

I'm freaking drained. Just drained. Emotionally, physically. I'm easily pushed to tears at my job. I've been battling a cold for a month now. I just went to the doctor and she doesn't see any need for medication, which was my take on it too. But still, enough already! And I feel like my job duties are too much. Ok, report cards went home last week which means I have 18,000,000 conferences with parents who don't want to hear what I had to say (even though it's not the first time I've said it to them). And I can't quite seem to be able to dig out of the to-do list that piled up while I was over my head busy writing the report cards. I'm just on the edge of my capabilities, my nerves are shaken, and I'm freaking exhausted every day when I come home. I feel like I can't handle it (but it's still all worth it...keep growing little girl!)! Help....

I am so right there with you. I'm just about done with my job some days, especially days like today, when parents still keep sending their sick children in despite our health policy which clearly states the rules on things like fevers and diarrhea. It's too important for the parents to get to work and not important enough to them to keep us and the other children from getting sick, so they give the kids Tylenol and send them in anyways or attribute all diarrhea to "oh, we just have her lots of kiwis this morning." It's so disrespectful and I feel very powerless to keep myself and the other kids healthy! Ugh. I've been avoiding all sorts of plagues all week, from DH who's been sleeping on the couch (today is his first day back at school after almost 6 days sick!) to the kids at work. It's a miracle I've stayed healthy this whole time. It's making me worry about how long I'll be able to work, though... with illness, lower back pain (seriously, how is this starting already?) and fatigue, I don't know how conducive working in childcare will be to a healthy pregnancy. My husband said if I need to quit, it's okay, but I don't feel ready to leave the kids and my co-teachers :(

[Carlyle]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tear78 

I'd like to do a better post, but if you read on you'll see why I don't have it in me: Is this normal? I'm freaking drained. Just drained. Emotionally, physically. I'm easily pushed to tears at my job. I've been battling a cold for a month now. I just went to the doctor and she doesn't see any need for medication, which was my take on it too. But still, enough already! And I feel like my job duties are too much. Ok, report cards went home last week which means I have 18,000,000 conferences with parents who don't want to hear what I had to say (even though it's not the first time I've said it to them). And I can't quite seem to be able to dig out of the to-do list that piled up while I was over my head busy writing the report cards. I'm just on the edge of my capabilities, my nerves are shaken, and I'm freaking exhausted every day when I come home. I feel like I can't handle it (but it's still all worth it...keep growing little girl!)! Help....

Big hugs to you honey.  (But first, I just have to give you a on feeling all those kicks daily...that's awesome!)  I'd have to say that was totally normal for me second trimester.  I wanted to hunt down and maim the people who gushed about the second trimester "burst of energy" to me.  Seriously.  Both pregnancies.  Lucky bums.  Yes, I was not puking anymore, but eating was still not fun, I was weepy as heck, exhausted, beyond exhausted (I slept at like 8 each night...and you know me, that is not me), and yeah, just plain useless.  I sucked at my job while I was pregnant (both times), and I was able to slack WAAAY more than you can as a teacher (both times).  This is the stage I was in at your wedding (complete with head cold that wouldn't quit)...remember how fun I was?  *I* had fun, but wasn't the life of the party so to speak (remember me lying down on the beach for a nap while you had your wedding pictures taken in the surf?  pathetic...) and I had to miss your wedding dance because it was like 11 at night and I literally felt like I was going to keel over...wah!

I keep wanting to call you, but can't seem to remember at any reasonable time of day.  I miss you!  I'm sorry your students' parents are being jackwads, and I vow to try not to be "that parent" next year when my daughter starts kindergarten (remind me I said that, okay?).  Screw your to do list.  I mean, don't, but it's not as important as you think it is.  Seriously.  Is your dh cooking and cleaning for you every day yet?  I hope so (I know he does a lot normally, but maybe he can help you feel less overwhelmed at least at home?).  Don't feel bad asking him to baby you...you're doing a ton.  I remember dissolving into tears one night after coming home from work and going to the common house for dinner only to find out the "vegetarian option" was overcooked white pasta with spaghetti sauce from a can and no vegetables.  I literally started crying in front of about 30 neighbors.  Chris said "it's okay, I'll cook you something else when we get home," but I just cried louder because I needed to eat RIGHT THEN.  We had to leave immediately because I couldn't get myself under control.  Very embarrassing.  Big Nell was there too and will be happy to mock me out about it if you ask her I'm sure (gads, this was about 5 years ago and I still remember it very clearly!).  I WISH I WAS THERE SO I COULD HELP YOU MORE!!!!  Are you eating your greens every day?  That might help a tiny bit...even though I remember that greens sounded disgusting too.  Anyway, call me if/when you need.  I love you!

(eta: sorry for being such an annoying full-of-unasked-for-advice big sister...oops)

And, while I'm here, I have to say Lyndzies my goodness those are some kissable pictures.  Your baby is gorgeous and I wish I was half the photographer you are (or is dp the photographer, I forget?)! 

Nanette, I wrote a post to you a few days ago and it got deleted when my computer crashed and I didn't have the heart to retype at the time.  You are my HERO!  Way to go on sticking to your guns despite your awful "care" from that attending pedi...seriously, WHY are they so happy to push formula at hospitals.  WHY?!??!  Gah!  Who pumps 30ml even if they aren't nursing a second baby?

And way to go on avoiding the unnecessary antibiotics too.  I used to have such faith in doctors, but since having kids I've come to the scary realization that so much of things is motivated by what makes someone money, and what covers their asses, rather than what promotes the best health.  They just aren't trained in herbal remedies or preventive care because nobody is around to fund those studies or something.  My first realization came when I started elimination communication with dd1--by the time she was 5 months old, she could hold it if she knew I was going to the potty with her...despite ALL medical advice that I read which said that babies/toddlers "can't" control their elimination until they are at LEAST 18 months old.  It made me wonder how much ELSE they were telling me was just plum wrong.  Anyway, you're awesome for fighting for your babies despite what sounds like a lot of pressure.  Go you.

Edited by Carlyle - 3/29/11 at 8:34pm

[Carlyle]

Originally Posted by miriam_bat_avraham 

I am so right there with you. I'm just about done with my job some days, especially days like today, when parents still keep sending their sick children in despite our health policy which clearly states the rules on things like fevers and diarrhea. It's too important for the parents to get to work and not important enough to them to keep us and the other children from getting sick, so they give the kids Tylenol and send them in anyways or attribute all diarrhea to "oh, we just have her lots of kiwis this morning." It's so disrespectful and I feel very powerless to keep myself and the other kids healthy! Ugh. I've been avoiding all sorts of plagues all week, from DH who's been sleeping on the couch (today is his first day back at school after almost 6 days sick!) to the kids at work. It's a miracle I've stayed healthy this whole time. It's making me worry about how long I'll be able to work, though... with illness, lower back pain (seriously, how is this starting already?) and fatigue, I don't know how conducive working in childcare will be to a healthy pregnancy. My husband said if I need to quit, it's okay, but I don't feel ready to leave the kids and my co-teachers :(

Oog, my heart goes out to anyone working with kids while pregnant (ironically, right?).  They just have SO much energy, and I (while pregnant) do not.  Hugs to you.  I'd highly recommend cranio-sacral treatment for back pain.  It's totally mysterious to me how it works (I have no idea what she does to me while she works on me), but I do know that I feel better every single time.  I had no trouble with back pain my second pregnancy, and I attribute it to my craniosacral person.  If you're having trouble already, it might be worth your while to give it a shot if you can.  Good luck!
 

[lisko15]

Hey Ladies…

Nanette – Thanks for the amazing birth story! I’m glad that despite all the drama everything went well. My hospital birth experience was quite positive too, but they did get all frantic on the 2nd day when Caleb was drowsy and wouldn’t eat. Threatened formula, bottles, then they offered me that they’d feed him with a cup and I could pump. Pump colostrum? OUCH! I know Mamas probably do it, but yikes. They gave me an “hour” and we got Caleb nice and naked, flicked his feet, and pretty soon he decided he’d eat again. I remember the same thing with my DD. That was the only thing that made me feel like… PLEASE just leave us alone!!!!

Again, those are some HUGE twins! They are totally adorable! How are you doing so far? I can’t imagine 2… the sleep debt will be crazy…. but worth it!

Jessica – Asher is SOOO cute!

YYYM – Good to have you pop in. Sorry about the PPD and pain, I’m sure that makes mommying harder than it already is. Post us a pic of those 2 adorable kids of yours when you get a chance… we haven’t seen K since he was tiny!

Lauren – Hey there! 14 months… wow! Caleb was just 9 months. It does go by fast, doesn’t it? When does DH come home?

Kelly – So cute! They look so different! Does one resemble you and one resemble DH, or different sides of the families? That would be pretty cool actually!

Maurine – Yeah for kicking! Definitely 100% my favorite part of pregnancy!!!!!

Lyndzies – Good to have you stop by! That first picture of Cady is gorgeous! Her eyelashes must be super black and dark… it makes her eyes look so pretty. Are they blue or hazel? Caleb is still waking once at night. He’s not always terribly sleepy during it though and I really think he is HUNGRY. He wants to nurse (usually) on both sides and then takes some settling down after. I know eventually he will sleep through the night, even if he’s 3!

Tear – You know what, I was exhausted with Caleb. Totally and completely exhausted. And I only worked out of the house 2 days. So I think it is expected that you would be tired, your job is so very, very demanding – you have to be ON all day. I remember when people would ask how I felt I’d always say I’m tired. Then they’d laugh and say, oh well, wait till the baby comes. Well, yeah, that’s tiring, but at least it’s a real reason! I just felt like I couldn’t do anything a lot of the time… I definitely did not get the 2nd trimester energy boost!

So don’t beat yourself up about it! Keep plugging along until you get to that April vacation! I know my DD is waiting for it too!

Julie – Ooh, working in childcare would be a very tiring job when pregnant. I certainly don’t think I would be up to it! I feel very “hands off” and easily overwhelmed when pregnant, so having little people all around me and touching me would really send me over the edge… (ha ha) Maybe you could get a room or age switch so as not to leave your coworkers hanging? Not sure if that is even a possibility!

Do you have an early u/s?

Carlyle – You are such a GOOD big sister! I love it! (Having a very, very motherly big sister myself… ha ha) But I have to agree greens and pregnancy equals YUCK.

Does anyone know how Maeryn is? She was always a primary poster and she seems to have fallen off the planet. I know she mentioned things were really stressful, but I hope she’s okay.

AFM – Caleb was 9 months last Thursday! We had his 9 month checkup and he weighed in at 20 lbs 8 oz, 30 ¼ inches. He is super-duper tall, in the 97th percentile! Which is just funny, since DH is on the short side. I have a whole lot of tall people in my family, and I’m pretty tall, but DH is on the shorter side for men… so it will be funny if Caleb ends up tall!

He is totally crawling, but he’s still very laidback about it. He’ll only crawl for something if he really wants it. Like stuff he’s not supposed to play with, cords, the cat, the pets’ water bowl, dead ladybugs… (old house with an unfortunate ladybug issue). He’s also pulling up on everything! He doesn’t seem to want to cruise or walk yet though, and that is fine with me! DD walked at 9.5 months, so I’m happy for Caleb to take things a little slower. We are also getting a lot of babble and he has learned to give kisses! I definitely get the best open-mouthed slobbery ones.

He’s still nursing about 6 times a day and even though it is only for a short snack, he really, really enjoys it!

Okay, I think I covered everyone! I don’t have any recent pictures uploaded, but I’ll be back with some another day. to ALL!

[Maurine]

Tear, I think that's normal, especially with a cold!  It took me a month to get over the one I had in Feb/Mar and I was pretty wrecked the whole time.  I am not sure what advice to give, other than hopefully soon you'll feel better.  Work will calm down and you'll be healthy.  I know when I get busy at work, it's just terrible!  Like Carlyle said, I am still waiting for the "high point" of this pregnancy and the "feeling great in the 2nd tri."  Not happening yet.
 

[Code Name Mama]

Hello mamas! I know it's been a long time since I've posted in the BSL thread, but we've still been around, waiting for a BFP. We finally got one this week! Feel free to add my info: Dionna, TTC #2 with DH for 18+mos, due at the end of November. So happy to see somefamiliar names over here!!
 

[Jane]

CONGRATS!!!

13.4 weeks  for me, feelin baby move occasionally.  Still thowing up. 

[Tear78]

Originally Posted by MahnaMahna 

Hello mamas! I know it's been a long time since I've posted in the BSL thread, but we've still been around, waiting for a BFP. We finally got one this week! Feel free to add my info: Dionna, TTC #2 with DH for 18+mos, due at the end of November. So happy to see somefamiliar names over here!!
 

GAHHHHHH!!! Welcome, honey!!!

Ladies, thank you for your support and for making me feel less insane. I got home from work at 6:00 again tonight. It's so stupid. And I had ANOTHER meeting today about a student that left me feeling inadequate as a teacher. ugh...but it helped to hear your voices in my head while I was told all the things I COULD be doing for this child (y'know, if I found a wormhole in time and discovered the power to add hours to the day). I love you ladies!!!

Jane, I'm so glad that you're feeling the baby move! Hopefully the throwing up will go away soon.
Edited by Tear78 - 3/31/11 at 3:58pm

[Carlyle]

Originally Posted by Tear78 

I was told all the things I COULD be doing for this child (y'know, if I found a wormhole in time and discovered the power to add hours to the day). I love you ladies!!!

Who ARE these people????  Let me tell THEM what they could be doing for that child. Sheesh.  Gimme a break.  Teachers shouldn't feel like they have to be THE ONE to provide EVERYTHING for each child. My goodness.  I'm sorry I couldn't return your call this afternoon...let's talk tomorrow if we can.  I love you.

Here's something for you:

http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7Be4e28807-361d-44b2-8681-b42f76405d24%7D.gif

Edited by Carlyle - 3/31/11 at 8:45pm