1 month old with possible milk allergy-HELP

[BubblingBrooks]

We are adopting a baby girl who has been with us for one week now.
Her bio mom did breastfeed her for one week, and then put her on milk base formula in anticipation of her coming here.
From the start, she had issues with the formula. Spitting half of it up right away.
3 days ago, I put her on the WAPF formula, expecting to see the issue improve. She did stop spitting up, but syarted getting a little gassy.
Last night was miserable. Screaming, and with every swallow, I could here her belly roll. Put her right back on the storebought, but the same issue came back.
She also developed a bad diaper rash over night

We have a goat that is due to freshen in a month or so, and one of the ladies from church will be giving us milk any day from her latest freshening to tide us over.

I have been sick with a fever and cold for two weeks, so my attempts at inducing lactation have been sidelined for now due to not being able to deal with it on top of everything else

Any suggestions on what else to do?

[BubblingBrooks]

Anyone?

[mbravebird]

Just wanted to send a hug, as it sounds like a difficult situation. As for practical advice, you might find more in the allergies forum and the TF forum -- lots of crossover between the ladies in both forums, and some of them have experience with the WAPF formula.

Kudos to you for trying relactation! I hope you get the support you need, and enjoy that sweet little one.

[KempsMama]

I'm don't know anything about WAPF formula, but I would try a lactose free forumla for the spit up and gas issues.

[BubblingBrooks]

Wanted to update, and say that as soon as we got the ingredients in for the WAPF formula, we put baby on it and she has been thriving ever since.
All she needed was some good natural unprocessed fats, cholesterol and fabulous local raw milk. We used the cow milk from the co-op we coordinate to begin with, and when our goat freshened (one doeling, so we were able to start milking right away) we switched over to that.

[APToddlerMama]

Originally Posted by BubblingBrooks 

All she needed was some good natural unprocessed fats, cholesterol and fabulous local raw milk. We used the cow milk from the co-op we coordinate to begin with, and when our goat freshened (one doeling, so we were able to start milking right away) we switched over to that.
 

So she is a month old and you are giving her cow's milk?  I could be wrong, but I have always been told that infants aren't able to properly digest the protein in cow's milk which is why they aren't supposed to have it.  I doubt that the protein is any different in raw milk so I would be really careful with that. Also, a lot of kids have trouble with dairy period.   I'm a social worker and had a neglect referral which turned out to be mom not knowing she couldn't give her baby regular milk, so at 8 months old, he was around 8-9 pounds and incredibly malnourished.  There ended up being other issues there (not trying to scare you at all related to neglect because they had some really serious issues going on unrelated to feeding...if not understanding about the milk had been the only issue she would have received help on that and went on her merry way) but the point is that this child really got sick from not being able to digest the protein in the milk.  What about trying an elemental formula? 
 

[BubblingBrooks]

I think you misunderstood a few things
She is not 1 month old. I am updating an old thread. I removed the lactose in the recipe (which is processed) and all symptoms went away.
She had trouble digesting processed milk, just like many other people in the world.
She is NOT being given straight milk.
That is never a good idea, and its not because of the lactose. Its because of that fact that it is twice as solid as breast milk. Add to that many believe that processed milk is best, never realizing that its just a bunch of dead enzymes, damaged calcium, oxidized cholesterol, etc.

And as an FYI, all parties involved with our adopted baby are in agreement that this is an ideal food for her.

Raw Milk Baby Formula

Makes 36 ounces.

Our milk-based formula takes account of the fact that human milk is richer in whey, lactose, vitamin C, niacin, and long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids compared to cow's milk but leaner in casein (milk protein). The addition of gelatin to cow's milk formula will make it more digestible for the infant. Use only truly expeller-expressed oils in the formula recipes, otherwise they may lack vitamin E.

The ideal milk for baby, if he cannot be breastfed, is clean, whole raw milk from old-fashioned cows, certified free of disease, that feed on green pasture. For sources of good quality milk, see www.realmilk.com or contact a local chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

If the only choice available to you is commercial milk, choose whole milk, preferably organic and unhomogenized, and culture it with a piima or kefir culture to restore enzymes (available from G.E.M. Cultures 253-588-2922 or http://www.gemcultures.com).

Ingredients

2 cups whole raw cow's milk, preferably from pasture-fed cows
1/4 cup homemade liquid whey (See recipe for whey, below) Note: Do NOT use powdered whey or whey from making cheese (which will cause the formula to curdle). Use only homemade whey made from yoghurt, kefir or separated raw milk.
4 tablespoons lactose1
1/4 teaspoon bifidobacterium infantis2
2 or more tablespoons good quality cream (preferably not ultrapasteurized), more if you are using milk from Holstein cows
1/2 teaspoon unflavored high-vitamin or high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil or 1 teaspoon regular cod liver oil3
1/4 teaspoon high-vitamin butter oil (optional)1
1 teaspoon expeller-expressed sunflower oil1
1 teaspoon extra virgin olive oil1
2 teaspoons coconut oil1
2 teaspoons Frontier brand nutritional yeast flakes1
2 teaspoons gelatin1
1-7/8 cups filtered water
1/4 teaspoon acerola powder1, 2

1. Available from Radiant Life 888-593-8333, www.radiantlifecatalog.com.
2. Earlier versions of this web page called for 1 tsp of bifidobacterium infantis and 1 tsp of acerola powder--these were typos.
3. Use only recommended brands of cod liver oil. See our recommendations here.

Instructions

Put 2 cups filtered water into a pyrex measuring pitcher and remove 2 tablespoons (that will give you 1-7/8 cups water).
Pour about half of the water into a pan and place on a medium flame.
Add the gelatin and lactose to the pan and let dissolve, stirring occasionally.
When the gelatin and lactose are dissolved, remove from heat and add the remaining water to cool the mixture.
Stir in the coconut oil and optional high-vitamin butter oil and stir until melted.
Meanwhile, place remaining ingredients into a blender.
Add the water mixture and blend about three seconds.
Place in glass bottles or a glass jar and refrigerate.
Before giving to baby, warm bottles by placing in hot water or a bottle warmer. NEVER warm bottles in a microwave oven.

[APToddlerMama]

I'm familiar with raw milk and the concepts but it still has casein.  Does that process help a baby to somehow digest the casein?  That was what I was unclear on.  So she is three months now? 

[BubblingBrooks]

She is 4 months, and casien is not a problem unless there is a true milk allergy. Breast milk contains 2 types of casien

The baby you referenced was more then likely suffering from kidney issues, due to the fact the milk did not have enough fats, and it was twice as heavily in solids as breast milk. Baby's kidneys cannot handle that heavy of a solid until at least 1 year.

I have researched the lactose that is in the recipe, and even though a higher milk sugar is a hallmark of breast milk, it is still a processed ingredient, and not all baby's can tolerate it.
Edited by BubblingBrooks - 6/6/11 at 9:46am

[APToddlerMama]

I'm seriously not being snarky, just trying to understand...  So what is the difference in the casein between raw and regular milk then?  Is there something different about it in raw milk that makes it easier to digest, because I have always heard that it is the casein that is a problem for most kids prior to age one, not just kids with milk allergies. 

[BubblingBrooks]

Here are few tidbits, with links for you.

Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6, kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer. Calves fed pasteurized milk do poorly and many die before maturity. Raw milk sours naturally but pasteurized milk turns putrid; processors must remove slime and pus from pasteurized milk by a process of centrifugal clarification. Inspection of dairy herds for disease is not required for pasteurized milk. Pasteurization was instituted in the 1920s to combat TB, infant diarrhea, undulant fever and other diseases caused by poor animal nutrition and dirty production methods. But times have changed and modern stainless steel tanks, milking machines, refrigerated trucks and inspection methods make pasteurization absolutely unnecessary for public protection. And pasteurization does not always kill the bacteria for Johne’s disease suspected of causing Crohn's disease in humans with which most confinement cows are infected. Much commercial milk is now ultra-pasteurized to get rid of heat-resistant bacteria and give it a longer shelf life. Ultra-pasteurization is a violent process that takes milk from a chilled temperature to above the boiling point in less than two seconds. Clean raw milk from certified healthy cows is available commercially in several states and may be bought directly from the farm in many more. (Sources are listed on www.realmilk.com.)

A very good book to read, is called, The Untold Story of Milk, by Ron Schmid.

[APToddlerMama]

I have quite a few friends who drink raw milk so have heard a lot of that... it is just the casein part I don't understand. 

[BubblingBrooks]

Usually if casein is proven to be an issue, then 10-1 its because it has been heat damaged.
A few people cannot tolerate casein regardless of it being in it s original form or not, but generally, its not an issue.
And even amongst those few, some of them are having trouble because their gut is damaged.

If you look at history, raw milk was rarely an issue until modernization took over and cows were put into confinement situations, and being fed brewry swill.
This is why heat treating milk came about.
The milk was filthy and causing illness.
Then cleanliness and sanitation came about, and the practice of treating the milk as if it were filthy continued.
Milk allergies and intolerance's began to rise higher and higher.
I do recommend reading that book I mentioned above. It will answer any questions you have, in much more detail then I have time to relate

[APToddlerMama]

Interesting.  I would but we actually tend to try to stay away from milk in general as much as possible as both DS and DH have issues with it.  Maybe raw would be fine for both of them but coconut has worked well so we just stick with that. I'd be curious to see if they were okay with raw milk but we try to stay away from animal products as much as we can anyhow.