Originally Posted by zinemama
Yes, I am aware that Christians interpret the the Hebrew Bible to accord with their own beliefs. I know that these include the belief that Jesus was the Jewish messiah and that the early Christians were Jews (heretics, their contemporaries would put it). But no, I'd never heard the claim that ancient Jews are the equivalent of modern Christians because, all unbeknownst to themselves, they were actually worshipping Jesus the whole time. (Although, now that I think of that scene in The Last Battle
with Emeth being told he was worshipping Aslan all along, not Tash, maybe I have heard it after all...).
Of course, given that this interpretation is based on Christian scripture and belief, which have no bearing whatsoever on the practice or beliefs of Judaism, it doesn't cut a lot of ice with me. But it's certainly an...interesting perspective.
I agree. I was raised Jewish and I have to laugh at all of the assumptions many Christians make about Judaism. I find all of this talk hilarious about women not being treated badly in the bible. I mean-look at your sources! Context? Read the whole passage. I mean, really. This is not shoddy scholarship, these are your own first hand sources for your beliefs. So are we picking and choosing here exactly what is to be taken literally and what is not? Personally, I was taught it was not to be taken literally (the Torah) the way most Fundamentalists today believe. But you also need to look at your source and the editing that has been done on it for thousands of years. At least do your research before you claim it's impossible for early Judaism to have been more than monotheistic. Even I was taught G-d had a female side, so that's not a far stretch from Asherah, IMO.
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall by thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14).
"What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman......I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children." (Saint Augustine)
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)
"If they [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that's why they are there." (Martin Luther)
"As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence." (Saint Thomas Aquinas)