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Moving on from your abusive childhood and GD your child

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

I had a very abusive childhood and am wondering about moms and pops that have been there and gotten over it. I see anger coming out in me (no abuse is happening) at my wonderful DD and am wondering how others have gotten through this... 

 

Please be gentle, thank you!

 

 

post #2 of 11

I remember writing about this here in the past, so I did an Advanced Search on both my name, NellieKatz, and the keyword "angry." It brought up quite a few results, but two of my posts in particular seem like they'd be more helpful. To save you the trouble of searching, I am putting the two separate posts here; I hope they help to give you the encouragement you are seeking:

 

#1)

I have found it helpful to reflect on the anger itself, and where it comes from. What is the underlying assumption when I get angry? What is literally happening inside my head? (I do this reflecting later on, not in-the-moment). I think we'd all do well to do this. For example, if I get angry at my child for something, what is the underlying assumption? Is it "I know best and my child is disobeying me." or "I am seriously afraid right now that I am failing as a parent, and when I am afraid, it comes out in anger." It is HUGELY important to analyze this way. Get at the root of it.

Sometimes when I think about my angry & too-often violent Dad, it helps to remember that his dad died when he was just 7 years old. And his own dad had been brutal with him. So how afraid was that little boy, my Dad? Pretty much so. And if he's anything like me, he gets angry when he's afraid. So look inside yourself. What are you afraid of, if that is the case? Are you comparing yourself against some external "parenting rules," some expectations that someone (maybe YOU) have of yourself that aren't realistic? Are you thinking in terms of success or failure with your kid, and disobedience signals failure? Get inside that noggin of yours and see what's happening.

Ever since we've changed our parenting style (even during the course of my time here at the Mothering forums), the anger issue has all but disappeared for us. I'd be happy to elaborate or correspond privately (if need be) for anyone who wants to know more.

 

#2)

I, too, was parented by an angry and violent dad. And although we don't hit or spank our son (conscious choice), I realized that the reason my child hits and pinches ME is that my big-scary-angry-face "feels" violent to him! By virtue of the fact that I am big and powerful and a parent, any time I turn big anger onto him.....sheesh....who could blame him for feeling the need to (a) defend himself by fighting back and (b) follow my lead and adopt anger as his response? I'm sure this is it. I taught him how to do all the rotten angry things that he does.

That being said, I am having great success turning it around. And I am sure I can do it. (And having my first & only kid at 43 and having this realization just this year at age 49, that's really saying something! It's never too late!!)

Here is my attempt at explaining what helps. First I realize that *I* control whether someone pushes my buttons. You can read that in a million different books, but until you really FEEL it, it doesn't make sense. But it's true.

Because of the experience of being hit by my dad, and feeling utterly helpless, I can see that when someone hits me, it is a potential trigger. But note the word "potential." We signed up for a 3-class trial of Kung Fu for him last week, and already the talk of "respect" and "discipline" and the practice of getting down to his level and looking each other right in the eye when speaking....this has all helped. I also keep my eye on the ball; i.e. my goal.

Example...Today, he got frustrated during lessons (we homeschool). He started to take it out on me first by sassing, and then by trying to hit me. I kept my eyes locked on his and deflected his blows, saying "I will not be hurt." "We don't hit during lessons." And I tried to enunciate his feelings to defuse it "You might be frustrated; maybe you're scared you'll get the wrong answer, but this isn't the way" (all the while he's whapping at me, mind you, and I am deflecting, eyes steady). I ask "do I need to go into another room to be safe from you?" (he says No) But in my mind I am NOT letting go of the idea that "I will sit here and finish this lesson. Nothing will get us off track. He needs the assurance that his powerful feelings can't knock me over emotionally. I am strong enough. He needs me to be stable enough. I am teaching him now. No matter how frustrated he gets, it's his job to sit down and handle it without hitting. I can wait him out. I am TEACHING him by my calm. It is my job to do this. I will NOT have the same fear & violence-based relationship with him as I had with my Dad." etc

And BTW I forgive my Dad. I heard from relatives that HIS Dad had been brutal to him. And then died when my Dad was only 7. He was a scared and angry little kid, no doubt. He didn't have it in him to break the cycle, and he passed it to us. But I am DETERMINED to break that chain. Actually I can say that I HAVE done it, because parenting this boy is the most important and precious thing I will EVER have been entrusted to do. And my life was so marred by sadness and fear by what my parents did.....it stops RIGHT HERE. It is these thoughts that "I choose better" that really calm me.

The past is really gone. The future hasn't happened. What will I do with the only moment I have--i.e. NOW?

Thanks for listening. If I can feel hopeful about this, then I'm sure you can too when your time is right.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks NellieKatz, so much.

post #4 of 11

Hi,

 

The author Alice Miller talks about -

Kids grow up without understanding that the command ' honoring your parents does not apply to abusive parents. There is also a psychological need to believe that your parents loved you and that the abuse was done out of love and so to give expression to this belief they abuse their own kids 

http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php

 

 

'Beaten children very early on assimilate the violence they endured, which they may glorify and apply later as parents, in believing that they deserved the punishment and were beaten out of love. They don't know that the only reason for the punishments they have ( or in retrospect, had) to endure is the fact that their parents themselves endured and learned violence without being able to question it. Later, the adults, once abused children, beat their own children and often feel grateful to their parents who mistreated them when they were small and defenseless.'

 

I believe we have to move on and deal with these negative thoughts -   see Byron Katie 

The idea is to not to ' fight reality ' . By accepting the reality , we liberate ourselves emotionally and then we are in a position to deal with the reality in a creative way.

 

http://www.byronkatie.com/2006/09/video_inquiry_my_mother_is_sel.htm

 

As far as our  kids go , there are plenty of resources that support being respectful to kids, seeing the world through their eyes, support their autonomy and meet their needs by ' working with them ' to solve problems in a collaborative way.

 

I hope this helps

 

Mary

 

 

 

post #5 of 11

I apologize that the Byron Katie you tube is no longer available but the comments are interesting 

 

mary

post #6 of 11

Oh my gosh, I just posted this exact same question in personal growth.  Subbing.

post #7 of 11

NellieKatze3 would you mind talking more about your change in discipline style? 

post #8 of 11

I would actually love to, but I am suffering from an extreme scarcity of time, and a bulging to-do list! So I hope you will consider doing an Advanced Search to look at some of my past posts. Not all of them are what I'd call enlightened......I've been growing and changing a lot since first coming here.

 

Some of the main ways that have led me to change my parenting are:

 

1) finding some really terrific books that have helped me to see that what I'm going through is normal, to help me look at things a new way, and to give some techniques I can try. Marshall Rosenberg is a good place to start (non-violent communication). Also the book "How to talk so your kids will listen, and listen so your kids will talk."  "Kids, Parents & Power Struggles" is also a good book.

 

2) Looking at things through my son's eyes and remembering he hasn't been on earth that long. How can he possibly know how to work things out, or cope with feelings? It's up to me to model that.

 

3) Realizing the source of my anger (it's Fear, usually fear of failure), and realizing just how much my failure to resolve my own issues was causing the very "acting out" stuff that my son was doing.

 

4) I have a very different view of parenting now than I did at the beginning. I used to give lip service to Gentle Discipline, thinking that it was gentle because I wasn't hitting him. But what we "do to" our kids in many non-physical ways still feels very un-gentle to them. Carrying them to their room for an isolating time-out is an example. I used to wonder why my kid hit and bit me when I did that. I blamed HIM for the violence there. But seriously, was my carrying him to time-out respectful? Did it respect his dignity and integrity as a person? No. When you focus on kids as separate human beings with their own needs and perceptions, and cease needing to force them to be like you, or learn this or that thing that "conventional wisdom" says kids should be doing, or be interested in this or that thing, or forcing them into activities that are all wrong for them, and start listening to their true needs and not feeling the need to have "power over" them but instead view yourself as a fellow traveler in this life who just happens to have more experience than them (and therefore wisdom in key areas where they can't possibly yet have it), then you will minimize the opportunity for friction and increase the chance for peace.

 

5) We are not radical unschoolers, but Radical Unschooling helped illuminate a different path for us. We're unschoolers now, but I can't call myself radical because we set quite a few limits on things we deem harmful. But I would visit the Radical Unschooling message boards (on Yahoo) and read a lot of Dayna Martin's work, just because it can help shake up and reorient your thinking. Like me, you probably won't want to go as far as they do....but I think that when one is struggling in parenting, it is REALLY HELPFUL to read parents whose views you think are "out there" because they can start you down a new path of thinking.

 

Sorry this may all sound incoherent. Like I said, I am short of time today. I'll be back....

post #9 of 11

 Didn't sound incoherent at all!  Hmmm this edit is wonky but I've been reading about NVC lately - Respectful Parents, Respectful Kids, I think... and I've been trying to learn how to implement it.  It's hard because it feels so strange to do, but it does seem right to me.


NellieKatz, thanks for taking the time to write out this summary.  I will be doing the advanced search to read through your past posts. 

 

post #10 of 11

cyclamen: NVC does feel alien at first, I can definitely attest to that! Try to see if you can attend a workshop, conference, or support group; that made it so much easier for me.


 

post #11 of 11

I want to thank you for the wonderful perspectives in this thread. I found it very inspirational and gave me hope...


 

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