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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/340d7a

 

I am on CD 125, on the 27th FF gave me CH on CD 119...I added my temp this morning (which is a spike) and FF moved my CH to CD 120.  I would much rather have my CH at 119, because our last BD was CD 117, lol.....although I'll be happy with any O with how long this cycle has been

 

I normally temp at 7am, today was 7:30 and I know I was awoken at about 6:30 (went back to sleep) and I talked to DH and DS at about 7/7:15 but never got up...or even really opened my eyes, lol  I also woke up sometime just before 6:30 and hopped to the other side of DS, who was squishing me against DH (I was in the middle, and I hopped to the outside)...Which is another thing, DS usually comes in to our room just after I temp, but he came in at midnight last night, so I'm sure my sleep was disturbed by his presence and there may have been some nursing.  Should I discard today's temp?  Any other observances?

 

I haven't been charting long, but learned all about it in 2007 when my sister was TTC so I could help her decipher her chart.  Also I am still nursing DS.

 

Thank you!

 

 

Also, feel free to add your own chart for analysis, we could make this a chart stalking thread...which is pretty much my favorite kind of thread orngtongue.gif

 

ETA:  Man, the title is supposed to be "Chart stalkers needed"  dangit!  At first it was 'Expert charters needed,' hence the extra 'er'  please forgive me lol


Edited by Bugglette - 3/29/11 at 8:34am
post #2 of 10

What is causing your long, irregular cycles?  Are you breastfeeding and only recently got your cycle back, or have you always had long, irregular cycles?  Do you have a medical issue that is causing this, or is your child still breastfeeding a lot?

 

I'm not convinced you ovulated yet.  When you are experiencing long, irregular cycles, your temperature jumps around a lot, and this can very easily trip up FF's ovulation sensor because it is looking for so few low temperatures and so few high temperatures.  You really want to see 6 temperatures that are lower followed by 3 or more temperatures that are higher than the highest of the 6 lower temps, and then your post-O temps should hang out around or above .4 degrees higher than your pre-shift 6.

 

This should also coincide with a build-up and then dry up of CM.  Your chart shows CM patches that don't correlate with your temperature shift.  Sometimes, ovulation occurs without all the symptoms matching up perfectly, but there really isn't enough evidence in your chart for me to think you ovulated.  If you continue to use FF to try to detect your ovulation, prepare to have it sense a lot of false ovulations.

 

To TTC, your best bet is going to be the CM.  Aim BD for the times that you have fertile CM (and any other time you both want), and feel free to ask for help if you are unsure if you ovulated.

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thank you for responding!

 

I had long irregular cycles in HS, I never kept track but I remember only getting AF every 2-3 months.  They slowly became shorter and more regular until I was having perfect 28 day cycles for about a year before I got pregnant with DS (I was 20-21yrs).  My cycle returned about 15m PP and has been irregular and kind of long since.  I only started tracking again several months ago, but all of those cycles were 40-60 days, my average being 51.  It's just this one that has been so long (since I've started tracking again).  There are several points of HIGH stress in this cycle, so I figured that coupled with the fact that DS does still nurse was what was causing such a long cycle.  He usually only nurses to sleep, but there are some nights that he will nurse throughout if he's having trouble sleeping.  He hasn't nursed during the day in a pretty long time.

 

Anyway, both my aunt (father's sister) and my sister have very long and irregular cycles, had a bunch of tests done and nothing was wrong.  My aunt conceived two sons naturally (just took a bit) and my sister is working on #2.  I figure if we are still having issues conceiving when we get more serious with TTC I, too, will go get testing done....but I'm not too worried about anything being wrong.  My mom had exact 28 day cycles from menarche to menopause...lucky lady.

 

I'm just hoping I did O, or will soon because I'm ready for this cycle to be over, lol

 

So are you saying that temping isn't really going to help me much as far as predicting goes?  That FF will give me lots of CH throughout my cycle, but I won't know for sure if it was O until AF arrives or I get a BFP?

 

Thank you again for your help.

post #4 of 10

Breastfeeding affects different women differently.  For some women, they have no cycles or long, irregular cycles up until they wean.  Other women get pregnant 6 weeks PP while EBFing night and day.  Neither one of these is terribly common, but there isn't necessarily anything wrong with you if you fall anywhere on that spectrum.

 

You don't have to answer this to me, but what is your weight like?  If you think you might be overweight, it would be wise to loose some weight in preparation for your next pregnancy, and it may help even out with your cycle lengths.  If you think you might be underweight, you may need to gain a few lbs in order to conceive.  There is some evidence that women may need a bit more body fat for conception than they need to be healthy.  If you have lost weight recently, this may be why your cycle is taking so long.  Estrogen is fat soluble, so if you don't have enough body fat, you won't ovulate.  (ie. runners amenorrhea)

 

Personally, I have long, irregular cycles because although I am healthy, I am still breastfeeding a lot, and sometimes my body fat percentage is too low to be fertile.  I know that my current cycle is longer than normal due to the fact that I recently got sick and lost some weight.

 

Temping does not help to predict when ovulation will come.  In people with more regular cycles, they can establish a normal pattern and get a better idea of when they will ovulate (a little more specific than the rhythm method).  For those of us with long cycles, this helps a lot more for CTA.  For example, I have never ovulated before day 19, so after a few cycles, I can guess that I'm not going to get pregnant based on BD before CD 13ish.

 

Temping is a good way to tell if you have ovulated.  If you have 6 temperatures that are lower followed by 3 undisturbed temperatures that are in an elevated pattern, and at least 1 of those 3 higher temperatures is .4 degrees higher than the highest of the pre-shift 6, then you can be pretty sure that you ovulated, especially if you experienced a dry-up of CM at the same time.  You can throw out one or 2 disturbed temps in your pre-shift 6, and there are a few other provisions to make it work out to be sure, but your 3 higher temps must all be undisturbed.  A few women's temperatures aren't raised that high, even though they ovulate, but they can still establish a cover line so that all (or all but 1 or 2) post-O temps are higher than the recent (5-6 days) pre-O temps.

 

FF is only looking for temps that are lower for a couple days and then higher for a few days.  This is a highly inaccurate method of determining ovulation, especially for people experiencing long cycles because the reality is that when your body isn't about ready to ovulate, your temperature jumps around a lot.  You'll have a few days up and and couple days down, and a few days higher, but then your temp will come back down, and this is a sign that you're not ovulating yet, not a sign that you did ovulate.  You haven't even had 3 days in a row above the cover line that FF established, so I'd have a really hard time making the claim that you have ovulated.  It's usually much more clear than that.  Rarely would it be so difficult to tell.

 

I was able to chart the return of my fertility after childbirth (almost 21 months old), and there were a lot of times that my up and down pattern looked kinda like it might be ovulation if I shaved some temperatures and labeled some other temps as disturbed, but the temperature rise never held until I did ovulate, and when I did ovulate, I had a very clear pre-shift 6 with fertile CM and then CM dried up as my temperature rose .2 degrees above the highest of my pre-shift 6 on day 1 and .4 degrees above on days 2 and 3.

 

CM is a much better indicator that you might be getting ready to ovulate.

post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Wow, thanks for all the info!

 

I'm 5'7" and 175lbs...so I'm about 15lbs above the 'healthy range' of 135-159.  I did gain 25lbs of that since Aug of '10, I wonder if that would cause issues.  I've recently started trying to eat better and exercise more, I've just been under a lot of stress lately...which is probably adding another layer to the long cycle cake, lol

 

Thanks again

post #6 of 10

I've heard that a good rule of thumb for maximizing fertility is to aim for a weight that is 100 lbs for 5 feet tall and then add another 5 lbs per inch.  At 5'7", that would put you at 135.  Depending on your frame, you can likely be within about 15 lbs of that estimate and likely have no problem (so, maximum 150).  If you were at that maximum healthy weight in August and gained 25 lbs since, I'd say that's a likely factor in what you are experiencing, and if you are planning a pregnancy, you could do a lot for your own health and the health of your baby, in addition to your ability to conceive, to lose some of that extra weight before you get pregnant.

 

Stress can definitely be a factor as well, both in your cycles directly and in your desire to do what it takes to live a healthy lifestyle.  Hugs to you.  I hope things get easier.

post #7 of 10


 



JMJ - Thanks for your response that was very insightful. I was just lurking on this thread for some info to help me figure out if i had ovulated and that helped a lot.

post #8 of 10

Just checking back with you, Bugglette.  It looks like you do have ovulation!  Have you had any more CM, or have you been completely dry?  It's possible that you ovulated on day 120 and had a random drop on day 124 (sometimes happens, but not very often, and it makes it take longer to be sure that ovulation happens), or it's just as possible that you ovulated on day 124.  So, if you're still getting negative tests and no period by a couple weeks after day 120, you might consider changing your O date.

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

I'm excited to see you write that!  One, because you seem to be amazingly knowledgeable on the subject and two, because you checked up on me :)

 

My CM dried up pretty suddenly, but I've been having A LOT of what I think is creamy CM, since about CD125...I originally associated it with the BD CD125 AM, but it is still continuing today CD128  I was hoping it means I'm PG  wink1.gif  copious amounts of CM was my first symptom w/DS.  Only time will tell...

 

Thank you!

post #10 of 10

fnpmama, I think you O'ed on CD 19.

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