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post #161 of 237

Anyone try diotamaceous (sp) earth for their butt itching??

 

I'll catch up with previous posts tonight...

 

Happy Grain Free Day to everyone!

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Anyone try diotamaceous (sp) earth for their butt itching??

 

I'll catch up with previous posts tonight...

 

Happy Grain Free Day to everyone!


topically or internally?
post #163 of 237
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Just out of curiosity, were either of you GBS+?

 

I have it, too. Probably the most TMI thing I've ever admitted in a public forum. 

 

Is this a widespread paleo side effect no one talks about?


Totally humiliating...glad I'm on the Internet and not in a Mom's group admitting this.  :)

 

I don't know if I was GBS+...I was never tested.

 

I checked MDA forums for anal itching and no one is posting there about their bums...maybe they are too nervous to do so??  Maybe it's a "Moms who are Paleo" thing?  I don't get it.

 

post #164 of 237
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I have had an itchy butt in the past (several years ago) but it is gone now. I don't know if it is the lack of grains that has helped or not but I certainly wouldn't blame primal eating -- at least not for my experience! I have switched to family cloth, maybe that is what has helped....

I'm recommitting to be more seriously grain-free but I've been heavy on dairy, which I seem to be fine with, so I'm ok with it. I'm milking a cow and several goats and the milk is so tasty that I can't resist!!

I've been a little down and doubtful lately as several of my favorite blogs have been talking about how fat is not as great as everyone makes it out to be. I've really convinced myself that fat is healthy and that I need to be getting more of the good stuff, but this wave of contrary opinion from people that I tend to trust, has sort of shaken me. Oh well. I don't actually think that I eat THAT much fat, but I don't really know, because I don't restrict it at all. And I can (on occasion) eat butter by the spoonful!


Any links to family cloth out there?  I would love to learn about this!

 

HUH??  Are these TF blogs saying no to fat??  Where is this??  I love fat.  It is my best friend. 

 

post #165 of 237

Thank you for sharing your experience!!  Did you eat any starches during your gut healing phase?
 

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My experience is on par with Toolip's.  I occasionally had issues in that department that were infuriating.  It would last for weeks and be super intense.  Anyway, hasn't happened once since I've been grain free-even if I cheat.  I'd not blame the diet.  The terrain has to shift before you can really appreciate the gifts.  IN the beginning your body is still working stuff out.  If anything I'd say what's happening (in this particular instance with the itchiness) is that the diet is bringing an existing issue to your attention.

 

I'm not militant in that I think you can explain all symptoms associated with a grain free diet away as part of healing.  I don't.  However that symptom in particular I see as a healing phase consistent with stuff being eliminated from your body as things shift.  My two cents.  If you were having stomach cramping, hair loss etc. I'd be singing a different tune.

 

I will also say that it took me a LONG time to heal to the point where I could do raw veggies and have my gut be happy.  Cooked veggies were even an issue in the beginning.  Nuts weren't a problem for me, but they are for many.  I will say I always used blanched nuts too, which makes a difference.  If you have IBS I would consider reducing the fiber for now.  I can tell you that my experience was I needed a lot of meat, fat and time before I could tolerate fiber.  And when I say a long time I mean it was maybe 2  years minimum before I was comfortable eating raw veggies.



 

post #166 of 237

Internally...and is it safe while breastfeeding??
 

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Anyone try diotamaceous (sp) earth for their butt itching??

 

I'll catch up with previous posts tonight...

 

Happy Grain Free Day to everyone!




topically or internally?


 

post #167 of 237

S-I didn't do any starches for a LONG time.  Even now...I ate sweet potato yesterday for the first time in maybe 3 months?  Starches just don't appeal to me.  Though I do occasionally do bananas...they're pretty starchy.  I'm not NOT eating them now, they just don't appeal to me.  But for several years I did actively avoid them.  I have very little willpower, but my nursing dd was in serious trouble and needed a no starch diet.  Well, needed me to be on one too.  And I have no regrets.  It was amazingly healing.

post #168 of 237

have had terrible lapses over the last few days foodwise

 

so am now going to be much more reasonnable during the whole month of June (to start with ...)

am going to dig out my "no-no list" and my "yes list" and put them inside a cupboard which I often open

post #169 of 237

Sorry for these delayed responses! I was at Life is Good, then my son discovered InstantPlay on Netflix and I couldn't get on the computer! Even now, I'm holding him back and made him promise I'd be quick so he can watch more Pingu orngbiggrin.gif
 

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My baby (same DDC :)) tends to get gassy if I go heavy on the poultry in any form (eggs, chicken, turkey). We are, at this point, eating mostly standard commercial poultry, so I'm not sure if it's really the bird, or something involved in commercial poultry processing.

 


Interesting! I have eggs almost every day, and chicken several times a week.

 

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unfortunately any number of condiments, flavorings, anytime you see a "food starch" it's suspect....certain vinegars, which means salad dressings, ketchup etc.  Man...the list goes on.  I'll see if I can find a list of food to avoid for people with celiac.  It's usually pretty comprehensive.


Oof. My son is gluten-intolerant (eczema) and i can see we aren't being careful enough :(  But I haven't been eating much in the way of processed foods (the occasional ketchup or hot sauce). I make my own salad dressing, although I guess twice last week I had salads out, and used the dressing then.

 

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Karen1968, you and I both have babies born in November (am I right?).  Have you started any solids?  I tried to give my gigantic baby some solids and his whole face broke out.  Guess I'll stop those for a while.  Also, are you eating any starches?  What does your daily menu look like?  Curious, because I have the terrible butt itch too.  It started a few months ago, and it's just been a nuisance ever since.  My hemmoroids are red and inflamed and I can't figure out what the trigger is.  And I have IBS, too...sigh...I don't know what to do.  Maybe we are long, lost twins.  :)



I've offered her solids, but she isn't interested so far. Even though she has two teeth! I think she might have gotten a little tiny bit of avocado into her tummy the other day, but that's it.

 

I am eating some starches, mostly sweet potato. Although this morning we ate breakfast out and I had white potatoes. Definitely not every day, though. Maybe once or twice a week. Oh, and carrots three or four times a week.



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Just out of curiosity, were either of you GBS+?

 

I have it, too. Probably the most TMI thing I've ever admitted in a public forum. 

 

Is this a widespread paleo side effect no one talks about?


I do not think it is the diet, as I've suffered for YEARS with this, and have only been Paleo for two months. If anything, the itching has been tons BETTER since I switched over. I tend to think of it as a sign I am eating too much fructose, either as added sugar or as sweet fruits like melon.

 

And yes, I was GBS+ with my son 4+ years ago; I wasn't tested with this latest pregnancy.

 


 

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I will also say that it took me a LONG time to heal to the point where I could do raw veggies and have my gut be happy.  Cooked veggies were even an issue in the beginning.  Nuts weren't a problem for me, but they are for many.  I will say I always used blanched nuts too, which makes a difference.  If you have IBS I would consider reducing the fiber for now.  I can tell you that my experience was I needed a lot of meat, fat and time before I could tolerate fiber.  And when I say a long time I mean it was maybe 2  years minimum before I was comfortable eating raw veggies.

 

This is interesting to me, as my IBS has always been better with more fiber, and I'm not really eating more raw veggies or fruits than I was. I am eating more meat, eggs, and fats, but not too much more in the way of veggies.  I don't think veggies are an issue for me.

 

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I personally don't worry about fat.  We honestly eat really heavy meat (fats) plus nuts, seeds, coconut oil, and other fats.  And I have never felt better!    If I felt bad then I might worry about it.  Granted, I've never had a blood test to check for cholesterol, etc.

 

  I'm working on a more Ayurveda eating plan.  I'm not there yet but it helps give me a guideline.  DD needs more "fire" so I have stopped giving her ice water and smoothies.  The interesting thing is after a week of nothing iced/cold for her we went for sorbet.  She couldn't stop coughing while eating it!  The people I was with even asked if she was having an allergic reaction.  Quite interesting.  She also now asks for warm water to drink and not cold.  Her body is adjusting to it well.  I am experimenting with a "warm" smoothie.  I added frozen fruit, OJ, and hot water.  The hot water made it a good temperature and she still drank it. 

 

My big problem right now is fruit.  With Oregon strawberry season starting and my new found love of raw vegan desserts my fruit intake has skyrocketed.  IMO too much fruit is when the diarrhea starts.  I think someone asked how much is too much fruit and no one answered.  Or at least I didn't see an answer.  Maybe I skipped it.    We obviously have hit the "too much fruit" problem in my house.  This worries me because the whole point of adding "fire" to DD's belly is to get her to digest and NOT have diarrhea.  I guess we got pretty excited over the start of berry season. 

 

Thank you everyone for your itching convo.  I've had some problems myself with itching.  For me it's white sugar.  I start itching anytime cane sugar sneaks in my diet. 



Yum, berries! Strawberries can be high in sugar. Which is part of my problem, I'm sure! I'm really looking forward to blueberry season...much lower sugar, and so healthy!!

 

Cane sugar is my one IgE reactive food greensad.gif  So I know it's a problem for me.



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Internally...and is it safe while breastfeeding??
 

 



I used diatomacious earth while pregnant, because my son had pinworms. I'm guessing it's just fine with breastfeeding, as I don't think it really gets absorbed.  And seeing as how i have a jug of it left, I should probably add that to my regemin! Can't hurt!



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have had terrible lapses over the last few days foodwise

 

so am now going to be much more reasonnable during the whole month of June (to start with ...)

am going to dig out my "no-no list" and my "yes list" and put them inside a cupboard which I often open


Me, too. I had a sample of chocolate cake at Trader Joe's yesterday greensad.gif  Have you heard of the Whole30 challenge? I'm thinking of doing that after our trip to the Bay Area in a couple of weeks. Just to get back on track.

 

I also tried a CrossFit workout last week (did I mention that already?). I loved it, but don't see how I can wiggle the fees into our budget. So I downloaded the Primal Blueprint Fitness booklet and did the assessment this week. I'm going to start doing these bodyweight workouts. I think they'll be easy to fit in while baby naps or plays with Dad.  Then I can wear her on walks and my "workouts" will be complete!

 

post #170 of 237

Hi! I just finished reading all 9 pages and am so glad to find other people/ families with real issues (unlike what the blogs say). My husband and I took the whole family (4 kids total, 1 is an infant nursling) paleo, 2.5 weeks ago. It's been rough with the 2 and just turned 5 year olds that are addicted to sugar. The first 12 days (we were counting) were spent with them only eating eggs for breakfast and snacking on lots of fruit the rest of the day. Dinner involved our oldest, my husband and myself (and 2 screaming LO). They are still pretty far off, but actually eating. It doesn't help that both of those children were vegetarians since birth and relied on grains (though I baked whole grains with minimal sugar) for all meals. Technically I haven't gone off track once, but do still indulge in a tsp. of raw honey when I get a sugar craving (not every day). I also thought it'd be okay to buy some okay chocolate chips to put in pancakes, and yet I am here eating them instead (but they're grain and dairy free at least). I guess I'm not ready for indulgences just yet. 

 

Finally, we decided down this path mainly because of my 2 year old's dairy issues that I never addressed (though suspected since right after birth) because of various reasons. I am finally in a good place that I can do this, but I was afraid that having never addressed it that she might have other issues. I also have seen my health deteriorating this last year as my 4th was born and within a month we both had thrush issues and then recently 3 months of the entire family being sick and not recovering well and then I have two ganglion cysts that just formed. Knowing about GAPS for a while, I happened upon some paleo sites and I was convinced. So aside from my 2 year old's clear runny nose (that I can only figure is her body getting off the dairy and cleaning itself out, since she doesn't act sick) we have been feeling awesome. My husband has these bumps/ pimples on the back of his head at the base of his hairline that are clearing up, I don't have excessive BO, even with all my working in the garden, and my 5 year old is calming down (even though he has that stereotypical boy personality with high strung energy). I lost 8 lbs. and my hubby 14, but I'd say that's more bloating going away since my hips are still monstrous. Within this short time, I am convinced and just hope we can keep it up from here on out, but especially get through the summer months without relapse to really clean our bodies. 

 

I have a  question on the non-organic meat. I thought we could do organic grass fed, but the budget is not liking it (we just spent $300 out of $400 for the pay period and I don't know if it will last the week). When it comes to the animals eating grains, how do our bodies handle it? I've heard that if you are celiac you should also avoid grain fed animals. 

post #171 of 237

thanks Karen, I didn't know about this whole30 challenge !

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And yes, I was GBS+ with my son 4+ years ago; I wasn't tested with this latest pregnancy.


One of the websites (GAPS or SCD) mentions GBS+ during pregnancy as a hallmark of gut problems, which makes sense. And the itching fits symptomatic GBS symptoms that I've seen others describe.

 

If that is the cause, I'm really not sure what to do about it, as I've yet to find anything that truly cures heavy GBS colonization. 

post #173 of 237
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One of the websites (GAPS or SCD) mentions GBS+ during pregnancy as a hallmark of gut problems, which makes sense. And the itching fits symptomatic GBS symptoms that I've seen others describe.

 

If that is the cause, I'm really not sure what to do about it, as I've yet to find anything that truly cures heavy GBS colonization. 


So interesting! It never occured to me that GBS could be a problem. duh.gif   Going to put it on my list of things to look into more.

 

One thing I know about being GBS+ --> because of the long labor with my son, and needing to be in a hospital, I had a ton of abx for it. And thrush starting when he was 2 weeks old, lasting 4 months. Doing an anti-candida diet (similar to Paleo) cured me. But it's the reason I refused to be tested with my DD.

 

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When it comes to the animals eating grains, how do our bodies handle it? 

 

 

depends on who you want to ask (several celiac message boards have this in great discussion) 

 

many don't buy that it has any effect others are deeply concerned what goes in and what goes up the food chain (same with grain feed farmed raised fish!)

-may want to read the recent thread on eggs 

 

many of the local pastured eggs I can get come from chickens that do feed on corn and other grains, same with the beef and pigs and many "grass" feed cows eat alfalfa - all organic in my area

 

we personally feel if you want to be grain free and eat animals that eat "grains" you are eating grains regardless of how they digest it

post #175 of 237

Just a quick pop in as I had a wonderful weekend and tried my hand at baking for my ds birthday.  There is a child with a laundry list of allergies (wheat, nut, egg) and I ended up making a carrot cake from gluten-free goddess, and just eliminated all sources of the offending items and got tips from the mom re: egg-free baking.

 

It was DELICIOUS!  Everyone ate it up including the parents.  I can't wait to make it again with some of the offending items (nuts & eggs) and use coconut flour instead of the recommended baking mix (Pamela's).

 

Also I just picked up some clay and adding that to my daily diet with my coconut oil - though it looks like grey/white goop right now which is a bit unappetizing.

 

I hope everyone is doing well!  I'm getting excited as it is almost strawberry season here and I can't wait to go picking for some fresh, sweet strawberries yummy.gif

post #176 of 237

clay, really .... I thought mixing clay with any form of fat (such as coconut oil) was a big "no-no" .... as in , it's going to make a kind of "plug" in your intestines ....

that's what I was told recently anyway .... I would love to be told/shown writtings saying that it's not true ....

post #177 of 237
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clay, really .... I thought mixing clay with any form of fat (such as coconut oil) was a big "no-no" .... as in , it's going to make a kind of "plug" in your intestines ....

that's what I was told recently anyway .... I would love to be told/shown writtings saying that it's not true ....



I'm not actually mixing the liquid clay with my coconut oil, I'm just adding it as a part of my daily diet. 

post #178 of 237

how many hours apart do you take clay and something with coconut oil ?

I'm just curious to see what others do and to learn what is "still" safe/ok ....

post #179 of 237

I tend to do clay on an empty stomach.

post #180 of 237

I am taking my clay first thing in the morning.  As of right now there is an hour or more between me taking the clay and then when I would take my CO & grab my coffee - which is typically right before I head out the door for work)

 

I have not started to take clay more than 1x per day yet, so around lunch and dinner time it might get a bit difficult to take it on an empty stomach for me.

 

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