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post #41 of 44

Taing a full dropper full of Echinacea tincture every hour can usually clear up strep in 24 hours. I am not sure why every one is so scared of strep (yes, I have had it). Most times it can be healed naturally. That said in a small child if it accompanied scarlet fever I would probably do abx is nothing else worked right away.

post #42 of 44

While there are old threads on treating strep naturally it doesn't work in every case. As you said, it works best when starting immediately. Even then, it doesn't always work. Treating strep naturally is definitely a good idea but if it begins to progress rapidly or become severe it is time to seriously consider abx. However, even when they are warranted, using other methods to heal the body are a good idea. I have battled chronic strep/scarlet fever for many years. I have read all of those threads and tried to resolve each case naturally. I had it 5 times in a row last year. I did take abx the first two times because I was not responding to any other natural treatments and was getting worse. Obviously, the abx were not a cure all because it kept coming back. By the 3rd time I was able to use natural methods exclusively. Each subsequent case was less severe and it finally disappeared. I am thankful that abx were available when I needed them but also know they weren't solving the long term problem. I used a combination of echinacea, usnea, Standard Process Congaplex, and homeopathy throughout. I really feel that the usnea and strep nosode (under a practitioners care) were what finally did the trick. For the last three cases I took appropriate doses of each until the symptoms subsided. Anyway, I know you have treated it but wanted to share my story of treating both naturally and w/ abx. I hope it doesn't come back and that your focus on her overall nutrition and gut healing continue to make her healthy and happy!

post #43 of 44
Originally Posted by joybird View Post

Wow.  I feel like I took a wrong turn and ended up at the Parenting Magazine forums...???


I never said I wasn't going to treat her, or that I was going to 'deny her medical treatment'.  I understand what strep is and the possible (and very rare complications) that it involves.  Otherwise I wouldn't be here asking for help with alternatives, I would just forego the antibiotics like I have done every other time.  Of course she will get medical treatment.  I am investigating what that treatment will entail.


Why would I consider alternative treatments?  Because I love my kids and want to do what's best for them.  And I have learned the hard way that it is always necessary (for me) to question what allopathic medicine touts as law.  


Scarlet fever is strep with a rash.  The rash came before anything else actually.  She is atopic and was reacting to the toxins produced by strep.  SF is not an advanced case of strep, its a different way of reacting to it from what I can tell, or perhaps it is a slightly different strain of the bacteria.  Her infection does seem quite serious, however.  The swelling on her neck seems to be out of the ordinary for regular old strep throat like I had as a kid.  I will probably give her the abx, much and all as I don't want to.  She's been sick for three days and doesn't seem to be getting better.  Also, it seems that rheumatic fever is probably due to an overactive immune system which dd does have and that makes me slightly nervous.


I'm still waiting for some old-school MDC mamas to chime in here though.  I know people have treated strep/scarlet fever alternatively.  There are some great older threads about this.


ok i dont know how long this post was posted as i cant see, howeve just like to point out that the rash is an allergic reaction to the poison emitted from the bacteria in strep, some people get it some people dont, depends on the imunity, so those who have better immunity tend to just have strep throat those whos immunity is rubbish tend to have the SF. both my daughters have just had it (i say just had it it was about 4 weeks ago) they both have had their course of antibiotis however one of mine is completely better but the other has started out in it again over the past couple of days. im not someone who does alternative medicine however i do not like antibiotics and avoid them at all costs. with this scarlet fever there has been no hesitation to givin them abx and if my daughter who still has sf needs more then i will give her more. i no the seriousness of sf and i dont wanna take n e chances

post #44 of 44
There are many naturopathic and homeopathic alternatives for addressing strep: http://www.mothering.com/c​ommunity/forum/thread/1195​173/could-thi...

Bee propolis, breastmilk, Caprylic acid, Echinacea all have medical research support: http://www.greenmedinfo.co​m/search/node/strep


In view of the extremely low incidence of potentially severe post-streptococcal sequelae such as rheumatic fever in affluent Western communities, rising antibiotic resistance rates, and the high carrier rate of group A streptococci in children, we advocate prudent prescription behaviour with respect to penicillin. General practitioners are recommended to treat children having an acute sore throat only when they are severely ill (unable to drink, an imminent quinsy) or at high risk (history of rheumatic fever, having an anatomical or immunological disorder, high incidence of streptococcal infections in the community). "

An abnormal rapid strep test:  An abnormal or positive strep test means that strep bacteria are present. 

A positive test result does not distinguish those people with an active strep infection from those who are carriers of strep bacteria but actually have a viral infection (rather than a bacterial one).


More practice guidelines: http://cid.oxfordjournals.​org/content/35/2/113.full

In this large study, 60% of school aged children harbor strep and are non-symptomatic carriers. Thus, the presence of a positive strep culture is basically "normal" and irrelevant, except in the severely compromised group listed above. http://www.chp.edu/CHP/111​504 
this study indicates: The sensitivity of the rapid antigen test varied widely among the different testing sites (56 to 90%) depending upon laboratory performance. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go​v/pmc/articles/PMC1698329/

"Chronic carriers of group A strep probably do not pose a threat to themselves or to others. There is no evidence that these children or their contacts become infected with the strains that these children carry. Therefore, they do not require antibiotic therapy to prevent suppurative or nonsuppurative (acute rheumatic fever, acute poststreptococcal glomerulonephritis) complications." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go​v/pmc/articles/PMC2851340/

Ok, do we see an issue here? Most kids have strep in their throat. Whenever they have a sore throat they get a rapid step POSITIVE test and they are given antibiotics, EVEN THOUGH the child may only have a viral infection.

Plus, even when the strep is POSITIVE, one doesn't necessarily have any infectious process develop. http://www.smartparentshea​lthykids.com/blog/?p=1811

In regard to "Rheumatic Fever":

"Putting Things in Perspective

Roughly 2,000 kids die each year from car accidents. Based on the latest UNICEF stats there are probably about 30,000,000 kids in the U.S between the ages of 5-15. Let’s also assume that every one of them got a Strep throat infection this year. Then let’s assume that we did not treat any of them for their Strep throat. If you do the math that would mean that some where between 10 and 100 kids would die from Heart disease that resulted from ARF. Putting it another way – your child is roughly 20 to 200 times more likely to die as the result of a car accident than from ARF and Heart disease. Again those are just the numbers. Check out the references above and do the math yourself, then… You Decide."



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