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WF10 is chlorine dioxide.  It is used for AIDS, primarily.  It is also used for seemingly unrelated diseases.  

 

Studies on WF10

 

Clinical trial: Treatment of HIV-infected patients with advanced symptomatic disease with WF10 solution (TCDO).

 

 

There are many others like that.  And others on cancer and so forth.

 

Dioxychlor is also chlorine dioxide.

 

It seems we need to look for chlorine dioxide under pseudo names when it comes to medical science, who seem to be trying to hide it under these other names.  I've researched both of those things and they are definitely chlorine dioxide.  Goodness knows how else medical science is researching or using chlorine dioxide without using that word making searches impossible unless you know the words they're using.  
 

Why is no one addressing the fact that we have just discovered chlorine dioxide IS being used by medical science?  Inside the body.  And we now have a veritable legion of studies to draw from on efficacy and safety... so much so, I don't even know where to begin.  Anyone have the guts to address that?

 

I'll have the guts to address it.  The articles you link are from 1994 and 1999.  I can't find anything recent.  So, these small trials are from 12 and 17 years ago, respectively.  Nothing new available.  My sense- later trials did not amount to anything.  If chlorine dioxide was going to amount to anything, Pharma would have jumped on this long ago.

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I'll have the guts to address it.  The articles you link are from 1994 and 1999.  I can't find anything recent.  So, these small trials are from 12 and 17 years ago, respectively.  Nothing new available.  My sense- later trials did not amount to anything.  If chlorine dioxide was going to amount to anything, Pharma would have jumped on this long ago.


 

Is WF10 the same thing as CIO2, anyway?

 

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Is WF10 the same thing as CIO2, anyway?

 


Not to my knowledge.

 

post #264 of 339
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Is WF10 the same thing as CIO2, anyway?

 



It has 4 ClO2(-) ions.

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Is WF10 the same thing as CIO2, anyway?

 

Yes.  It is chlorine dioxide.  It also has sodium chlorite in it (which is what chlorine dioxide is acidified from) and peroxide... that is the total matrix of it.  It is generally injected.  Dioxyclor from my previous post is also chlorine dioxide.  

 

I suspect there are other names and ways companies are trying to patent and/or sell chlorine dioxide and chlorite without actually giving the patient the option to do so at home for a few cents with their own chlorite.
 

 

 

 

 



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I'll have the guts to address it.  The articles you link are from 1994 and 1999.  I can't find anything recent.  So, these small trials are from 12 and 17 years ago, respectively.  Nothing new available.  My sense- later trials did not amount to anything.  If chlorine dioxide was going to amount to anything, Pharma would have jumped on this long ago.

Actually, that isn't the case at all. WF10 is not only still being used and sold, it is being clinically trialled for a wide variety of diseases – and it is also under other names such as Immunokine and Macrokine - sold to Thailand and another country under those names.

 

So Immunokine is really WF10, which is really chlorine dioxide.

 

This has been a very interesting research project and I have this thread to thank for it. I may not have discovered this otherwise and with it, it is enough credibility to get my FIL to consider asking his doctor about MMS or one of these chlorine dioxide based therapies for his cancer. Everything happens for a reason, and I knew I was to make it through this thread for a reason. So I thank you all for pushing me so hard... I mean that sincerely.


 

Here is Immunokine's site: http://immunokine.info/


 

Here are clinical trials, and I'll start with one published only this year, feb 2011: 

WF10 Stimulates NK Cell Cytotoxicity by Increasing LFA-1-Mediated Adhesion to Tumor Cells

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The redox-active chlorite-based drug WF10 (Immunokine) was shown to have modulatory effects on both the innate and adaptive immune system in vitro and in vivo. Animal studies suggest that WF10 enhances immunity against tumors. One possible explanation for such an effect is that WF10 stimulates natural killer cell cytotoxicity against malignant cells.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is macrokine, which is the other name WF10 is sold under, 2004 study: 

WF 10: Macrokine, TCDO, tetrachlorodecaoxide.

 

 

 

 

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Oxo completed a trial in 72 cervical cancer patients undergoing radiation therapy in 1989. Results from this trial demonstrated complete remission in 75% of patients receiving WF 10. A follow-up placebo controlled trial in 1996 produced similar results....
WF 10 is approved for use in Thailand under the name IMMUNOKINE in patients with postradiation chronic inflammatory disease including cystitis, proctitis and mucositis. In July 2003, the European examiners informed Oxo Chemie that they intend to grant the company additional patents to the technology platform that supports WF 10, extending the European protection granted in 1992 to cover a much broader range of diseases. The patents will be granted in Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK. Patent claims cover potential treatment for autoimmune disease, organ transplant or graft rejection, lymphoma and inflammation manifested as hepatitis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

That's huge.  Note the huge array of different diseases this is purported to treat.  And those are just the ones the patent covers.

 

Phase two clinical trials, Hepatitis C and others:

 

Cancer trials, 2007

 

post #266 of 339
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Yes.  It is chlorine dioxide.  It also has sodium chlorite in it (which is what chlorine dioxide is acidified from) and peroxide... that is the total matrix of it.  It is generally injected.  Dioxyclor from my previous post is also chlorine dioxide.  

 

 

 

Um, it has neither Na nor H2O2 in it. You could make hydrogen peroxide from it, given the right chemical reaction, but the last I checked you can't get sodium from 2 hydrogen atoms, 4 chlorine atoms, and 11 oxygen atoms. Unless you can change the proton and neutron counts of atoms along with curing HIV and cancer.

 

 

ETA: Minor change in lingo, you don't "turn x into y" you "make x with y and z".
 

 

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Um, it has neither Na nor H2O2 in it. You could make hydrogen peroxide from it, given the right chemical reaction, but the last I checked you can't get sodium from 2 hydrogen atoms, 4 chlorine atoms, and 11 oxygen atoms. Unless you can change the proton and neutron counts of atoms along with curing HIV and cancer.

 

 

ETA: Minor change in lingo, you don't "turn x into y" you "make x with y and z".
 

 

 

I'll assume that was genuine humour, since taking shots at me has diminished since discovering I'm not such a crack pot after all, and the testimonies could possibly be true.  They're using this stuff in phase 3 trials (complete in 2013) for an array of diseases, including AIDS, so if my friends have claimed a cure of their AIDS symptoms - perhaps they're not delusional after all?  

 

I must have misread what else is in it, while I was reading through this thread on another site.  Chlorite is mostly mentioned but then sodium chlorite was mentioned as the type of chlorite used in one of the patents.  Peroxide is part of the chemical process, it seems, just as you suggested.  

 

Chlorite is also injected as part of the matrix, which has known toxicity.  I would think they would reduce that out of the chemical before use, but they attribute it with part of the affect.  I find that a bit... immature oxide science.  There used to be this "healing water" sold in health food stores.  It was basically traveller's water - sodium chlorite in water.  Because some had had some success with this stuff, it began being sold as a healing drink... but it is chlorite, which is toxic.  When used as a water treatment, you sit the chlorite in the water for four hours and chlorine dioxide is eventually released.  Although chlorite has its own use as a bacteriocidal, it is quite weak.  Adding an acid causes this reaction to ClO2 to happen in a couple of minutes.  Initially, Jim Humble thought it was the chlorite that helped his people with malaria but after experimentation, it turned out to be the chlorine dioxide.  I would suspect most of its action in bodies or in water has always been attributable to the ClO2, not the chlorite.

 

So I wonder why they've left the chlorite in Immunokine and other chlorine dioxide/WF10 based drugs.  

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I'll assume that was genuine humour, since taking shots at me has diminished since discovering I'm not such a crack pot after all, and the testimonies could possibly be true.  They're using this stuff in phase 3 trials (complete in 2013) for an array of diseases, including AIDS, so if my friends have claimed a cure of their AIDS symptoms - perhaps they're not delusional after all?  

 


No, taking shots at you have diminished because it's just too easy. I know I still think you are at the very lease, confused about what your saying.

 

WF10 is being looked at in treating HIV, but it is not the same thing as Chlorine Dioxide. Having Oxygen and Chlorine atoms does not a Chlorine Dioxide make. 

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No, taking shots at you have diminished because it's just too easy. I know I still think you are at the very lease, confused about what your saying.

 

WF10 is being looked at in treating HIV, but it is not the same thing as Chlorine Dioxide. Having Oxygen and Chlorine atoms does not a Chlorine Dioxide make. 


 

Well, if your bloodstream is roughly as chlorinated as a swimming pool, you'll get CIO2 out of  tetrachlorodecaoxide:

 

http://wwwroot.swimpool.ca/index.php/hydroxan-the-clean-oxidizer

 

 

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Process Converting Cl4O102 Discovered
tcdo.gif More than 30 years ago, a process of converting tetracholorodecaoxide (commonly known as TCDO) was discovered by a scientist. The ‘eureka’ part of the discovery was that the TCDO converted to chlorine dioxide when free chlorine was in the pool or spa.

Swimming pools and spas were a natural application for the discovery but numerous other applications are in use today, with various forms of TCDO used to wash the walls in drinking water storage tanks, zoos etc. Dentists use it for treating gum diseases, dermatologists use it for skin eruptions, old age homes use it for washing patients, and growers use it for spraying fruit for international shipment. In the swimming pool and spa industry, it is used to clean sand filters on a maintenance basis or after pool foulings as a regular shock and bio-film removal.

 

 

 

 

post #270 of 339
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Well, if your bloodstream is roughly as chlorinated as a swimming pool, you'll get CIO2 out of  tetrachlorodecaoxide:

 

http://wwwroot.swimpool.ca/index.php/hydroxan-the-clean-oxidizer

 

 

 

 

 



I'm not sure I want to chlorinate my blood stream, considering Chlorine is a gas so deadly that if you breath it you will die.

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I'm not sure I want to chlorinate my blood stream, considering Chlorine is a gas so deadly that if you breath it you will die.


Yes.  And just to make sure... you do know that chlorine and chlorine dioxide are two very different things, right?

 

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Yes.  And just to make sure... you do know that chlorine and chlorine dioxide are two very different things, right?

 


Yes just like WF10 and chlorine dioxide are two very different things.

 

post #273 of 339
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WF10 is being looked at in treating HIV, but it is not the same thing as Chlorine Dioxide. Having Oxygen and Chlorine atoms does not a Chlorine Dioxide make. 

It is chlorite based:

 

 

 

 

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The redox-active chlorite-based drug WF10 (Immunokine) was shown to have modulatory effects on both the innate and adaptive immune system in vitro and in vivohttp://www.hindawi.com/journals/jbb/2011/436587/

 

 

The wording might be all fantastical, but it still boils down to chlorine dioxide.  Sometimes the wording is straight up comical.  For instance, Dioxychlor is chlorine dioxide.  This is an article by Consumer Health of Canada about it.  It is chlorine dioxide, but no one wants to say that outright.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Dioxychlor is an inorganic compound composed of chlorine and two atoms of nascent oxygen covalently bonded. It is the chemical property of Dioxychlor which makes possible the release of nascent oxygen upon decomposition during its action as an oxidizing agent, leaving a non-toxic chloride residue." 

 


I mean, for Lerd's sake.  "an inorganic compound composed of chlorine and two atoms of nascent oxygen covalently bonded"??  What's wrong with saying "this is chlorine dioxide"?  Perhaps because of the stigma it has... they're using it in several medicines but hiding what it really is... that is what this seems to be to me.  

 

Do you think they made a medicine with free molecules of chlorine in it and some oxygen particles and they just float around and don't bond at all and on their own are having amazing effects on many diseases?  Is that what you are suggesting?  

 

 

 

 

 

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Such known anion complex is the “tetrachlorodecaoxide”, which contains stabilized active oxygen in a chlorite matrix together with chlorine dioxide.

 

 

 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7252772.html

 

 


Edited by Calm - 5/7/11 at 5:51pm
post #274 of 339
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Yes just like WF10 and chlorine dioxide are two very different things.

 



Evidence?

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It is chlorite based:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, WF10 has Chlorite in it, Chlorine Dioxide, the active ingredient in MMS, doesn't. It has a neutral Chlorine atom, not a negatively charged Chlorine ion. I know it may not seem like it to you, but that difference is rather large in terms of chemistry. Add the O2 molecules and the H2O molecules that WF10 has and you get a completely different product. The other atoms aren't there just to look pretty, they have an actual purpose.


 

post #276 of 339
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Evidence?

 

To say they are the same thing is like saying H2O and H2O2 are the same thing.

 

WF10 -

  H2Cl4O11-4

 

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=3000391&loc=ec_rcs

 

Chorine Dioxide -

ClO2

 

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=24870&loc=ec_rcs

 

One is industrial bleach the other isn't and is in clinical trials.

post #277 of 339

 

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This is an article by Consumer Health of Canada about it.

 

That's  a quack link about a quack product.

 

 

 

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... take away the water,

...and it's not tetrachlorodecaoxide (Cl4H2O11-4  ) any more. Sort of like if you take the two hydrogen atoms out of H2O, what's left isn't still water.

 

 

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So when you say it is 4 chlorine and 10 oxygen

 

 

 

Who said that?

 

 

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To say they are the same thing is like saying H2O and H2O2 are the same thing.

 

WF10 -

  H2Cl4O11-4

 

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=3000391&loc=ec_rcs

 

Chorine Dioxide -

ClO2

 

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=24870&loc=ec_rcs

 

One is industrial bleach the other isn't and is in clinical trials.



Exactly.

post #279 of 339
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Some of the drugs that are being patented and used in studies are often just stabilized sodium chlorite. When they did an analysis of what this created in the body when use introvenously it was shown to release chlorine dioxide in the blood stream. 

 

In fact, chlorite is considered "stabilized chlorine dioxide" because it is in a pH range that will not release chlorine dioxide. Once acidified, ClO2 is released.  It also degrades back to chlorite, according to some chemistry I've read... chloride and chlorite. 

 

MusoDad, I'm not sure why I seem to be so pitiful to you that people aren't ridiculing me now simply because it's "too easy".  It is actually harder now, with clinical trials and studies showing efficacy with activated MMS (chlorine dioxide or ClO2) and inactivated MMS (chlorite or ClO2-) in more dilute forms such as WF10.  What are they going to do other than try to say WF10 is not chlorine dioxide... I expected that, hence I made sure.  I'm guessing most of those who were quick with the put downs don't really know yet what angle to hit me on this one and are waiting for someone else to find the holes so they can just come in an "yeah!  What she said!" as per usual.  An original thought is certainly not a dime a dozen 'round 'ere, govna.  

 

I don't know why this had to get ugly.  So jaded are Americans it seems that the idea someone, a many years member of their group no less, is just trying to help doesn't seem possible.  I didn't do ANYTHING to deserve it, and even if I eventually got a sarcastic lilt to my words occasionally, initially that was not the case - yet straight from the get go people got nasty and "angry" with me.  

 

Why?

 

 

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