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post #81 of 110
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Hey everyone! Is anyone else experiencing a painful letdown? I feel like sharp stabbing pains in my nipple everytime I have a letdown, I think it's just a forceful letdown, but its much more painful than I remember with my son. I don't feel like there's mastitis, or clogged ducts or anything, just very forceful, painful letdown. DD keeps up with it though, so that's good. DD is sleeping in 5-6 hour stretches at night and goes every 2-4 hours for nursing during the day. She is also not too keen on comfort nursing yet, and prefers the paci (soothie brand, only!) for comfort..I tried to comfort nurse her but she'd eat too much and throw up. We'll see if anything changes. DS was a big comfort nurser and was never into the paci from the beginning, so this is an adjustment for me, not nursing nearly as much as I did with DS.



Well I havent' had this one yet....but I remember that sensation with all my other babies. It's all good and should regulate itself. I remember is being less stabby feeling if I nursed after a warm shower. It will pass though.

 

post #82 of 110
my letdowns with DS were definitely painful - the worst was right when I got pregnant though! I got used to it, I guess.

I am trying to figure out how NOT to have an oversupply this time (I had oversupply/letdown issues with DS, which made bfing a bit of a struggle for the first 3 months - he was totally breast averse and I had to 'trick' him into nursing, basically, it was a nightmare) I did block feed to fix it, and it got better, but I think he was too traumatized I guess for that to help? not sure.

I am going through engorgement right now, I guess so its reminding me of oversupply - with DS the engorgement kind of never went away until I did 6 hour blocks. And right now I'm STILL nursing DS, and he's kind of upped his intake a bit, so I'm really worried I'm stimulating too much milk production I guess. My boobs are so big an almost-2 year old can't even drain one in 20 min! its ridiculous.


her poos though still look okay, no green and frothy, and she isn't actually all that gassy yet, so hoping maybe she's not as sensitive as DS was. I'm also already avoiding dairy, which he was sensitive to, so maybe that's helping.


I'm just not sure how to block feed with two nursers?! with one who can have a lot at once but is (hopefully!!!) not nursing as often. Right now though he is nursing almost as much as her, I'm guessing (hoping!) its a transitional thing - its just seeing her nurse that does it, etc.
post #83 of 110

How is everyone doing?  I hope challenges are resolving...

 

We are doing so much better!  Some kind of light went on for Aibhlinn around this past Monday/Tuesday.  She had a "feed me feed me!!" night on Monday when she just couldn't seem to get enough and was really late going to sleep for the night as a result (growth spurt, maybe) - I nursed and nursed her until finally around 11 pm we decided to give her some pumped milk (normally I nursed her until she would not nurse anymore, but my boobs were soft and nipples sore).  She ate from the boob during her wakes that night and again in the morning, until having another little flip out in the late morning and I succumbed again and gave her 2 ounces of pumped milk.  That was it, after that for whatever reason she didn't complain anymore and since she seemed happy, we haven't offered another ounce from the finger.  She was weighed Friday and is up 11.5 ounces in a week, so between that and her gulping at the breast and the incredible volume of poop she is producing, she is obviously getting tons of milk now! Weaning off the pump now, I was already down to twice a day so I reduced it again to once and now I am only pumping if my boobs are so full I need to relieve the pressure a bit.

 

MamaChef, I am still not sure about the posterior tie.  Nobody here seems particularly proficient in identifying them - I saw a doctor who said she does not have a tie because no web under her tongue or heart shaped tip.  I got conflicting opinions on whether it was affecting suck (LLL versus my midwife, although the day we saw the LLL person, the baby was DONE with being out and around strangers and wouldn't even suck well at the finger!).  Anyway, thankfully it's a moot point but it would still be interesting to know if that was a factor in her steep learning curve.  Did you have your DD1's posterior tie clipped? 

post #84 of 110

Yay I can join in this thread!

 

Baby Zephyra has a pretty profound tongue tie and her tongue is short enough that she can't even get it over her gumline. We're doing some sucking exercises, lots of sticking our tongues out at her, and will be seeing a doc soon to talk about a clip. Breastfeeding hurts quite a bit as a result, and I'm getting blistery, but my supply is HUUUUUGE so I'm not too worried about her not stimulating me enough at this point. In fact, her tongue is far enough down that she can't control the flow very well and chokes badly every time she nurses. Lots and lots of air being swallowed, so she has a pretty sour stomach right now. Poor little babe. I'm really glad this is my fourth time around and that I have the breastfeeding education (I'm a breastfeeding counselor), because without it I might have switched to formula already and not known to get in touch with LLL during the first 24 hours when I first noticed a problem!

 

LLL is a godsend! Call yours!!! Even though I'm a leader applicant, it's hard to dx yourself and I happily got a list of tips and tricks to reduce pain and problems while we deal with the tie.

 

Due to the medication I was on through pregnancy, we're keeping an eye on her for neonatal abstinence syndrome (withdrawal), but she shows zero signs of it... which is kind of what we expected. My dose is 1/4 of what most people take. Still we have to keep a close watch for her first 7 days until we're in the clear. She's on day 3 now which is when the first symptoms would show up, if she had it... and so far we haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary for a newborn. :)  That's yet another big reason why I'm so, so, so glad we gave birth at home. Our hospital's policy for my medication is to take baby away from mom immediately after birth and lock them in a dark room with no stimulation, and no contact, for seven days while mom is discharged. SEVEN DAYS!! How horrible is that?! They treat you like a heroin addict (not that I think people who have drug addictions deserve to be treated like that, either), it's awful. I can't even imagine doing that to my brand new girl... especially since that treatment is contraindicated by current research (both for dosage, and just for common sense: rooming in with mom and breastfeeding = happier, healthier baby!!!).

 

Other than that I think we're pretty clear. She's a rather fussy newborn, largely because of all the breastfeeding issues, but that's slowly getting better as she and I adjust. She sleeps in two hour stretches at night and as long as she stays close to my breast she's barely up between that except to latch on and fall back to sleep again.

post #85 of 110

Agent is a little gassy, but nothing too extreme. I just can't stand to see him sad, so we've talked to our pediatrician about the homeopathic options available. We already have him on probiotics that I give him in his one nightly pumped bottle that my husband feeds him. But we've started giving him a little bit of camomile tea in a bottle (steeped from the actual flowers) to help his belly. The Dr. said that 1 - 2 oz a day would help him out. If that doesn't work, there is another herbal formula we can try out. I've just started avoiding dairy, so we'll see if that does anything. Mostly he tries to grunt through it on his own, but still makes me sad for him.

 

He's been growing super fast. He's one month old tomorrow and he went up from 6 lbs at birth, down to 5 lbs 11oz in the hospital and up to 8 lbs 4 oz on Friday!

 

 

post #86 of 110

I started using gripe water and that seems to help some with the gas. My girl gets pretty bad gas because of the nipple shields but whenever I try not to use them - OUCH! She just won't open her mouth very wide at all, no matter what and can't get a good latch still. Maybe one day she'll get it or I'll just have to use the nipple shields for the duration like I had to with my first. Oh well.
 

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Agent is a little gassy, but nothing too extreme. I just can't stand to see him sad, so we've talked to our pediatrician about the homeopathic options available. We already have him on probiotics that I give him in his one nightly pumped bottle that my husband feeds him. But we've started giving him a little bit of camomile tea in a bottle (steeped from the actual flowers) to help his belly. The Dr. said that 1 - 2 oz a day would help him out. If that doesn't work, there is another herbal formula we can try out. I've just started avoiding dairy, so we'll see if that does anything. Mostly he tries to grunt through it on his own, but still makes me sad for him.

 

He's been growing super fast. He's one month old tomorrow and he went up from 6 lbs at birth, down to 5 lbs 11oz in the hospital and up to 8 lbs 4 oz on Friday!

 

 



 

post #87 of 110

Things are going really well over here for Little Louisa and the rest of the fam. We're one week out, and my perineum is still sore from the small tear--I recall feeling better sooner with DD1, but maybe I'm recalling incorrectly! 

 

Louisa was pretty fussy the first few days, like she just wasn't happy in her own skin. My midwives mentioned a chiropractic adjustment while they were doing her newborn exam--so we took her to see a really awesome, baby-knowledgeable chiro on Day 4. Holy Happy Baby Batman! She turned into a completely happy baby during the adjustment and has been so mellow and relaxed since. Before she would fuss whenever she was awake and not nursing and now she just hangs out and takes everything in. It's so awesome. I've always been a big fan of chiropractic care, but now I'm a huge believer in it's benefits for young babies. So, for anyone with fussy/colic-y/non-latching babies or even plain ol' regular babies without any visible issues, I really recommend going to a chiropractor who is experienced with babies and children. The adjustment is so gentle and relaxing, not at all the bone cracking stuff you might be imagining. 

 

This little mama really takes it all to the extreme. When she sleeps, she REALLY sleeps. When she's awake, she's REALLY awake. When she nurses, she REALLY nurses. I never noticed my first two babies have such distinct rhythms so early on. Louisa has slept all night long three nights in a row--nursing only once or twice and has a few good chunks of alert, awake time. I don't know what to do with a baby who sleeps at night and it kind of freaks me out. Haha! 

post #88 of 110

My little girl's been pretty predictable overall. Sleeps good at night for her age too. I'm loving it! Thank God too with have 3 little kiddos.

post #89 of 110

Here's my experience "on the other side" with my 1-month old son - by way of his first music video - take a look if you need some comic relief from the crying!

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWmMEguIFq0

post #90 of 110

well, can I just say that my recovery has been MUCH better than it was with DS. I stopped bleeding a week ago, and DH and I DTD last night for the first time. Wow what a difference than last time. I remember being in pain from DTD until DS was 6 months old. I just thought that was normal! I felt completely back to normal. It helps that I had no tearing this time. With DS, I had 3rd degree tears inside and recovery took forever! overall so far this pregnancy, childbirth, recovery and infancy has been a complete 180 than with DS. DD is even a great sleeper!

post #91 of 110

Today I kind of hit a wall of frustration with little baby Arya.  Since this is baby #3, it is definitely the type of thing where baby's temperment dictates their behavior.  DD1 had super intense colic, DD2 was super mellow and barely cried as a newborn and Arya is somewhere in-between the two.  He can be super intense and go from zero to glass breaking screaming at the top of his lungs for what seems like nothing (ie. car pulls into garage and engine stops). My biggest concern is that he often seems to be very gassy and uncomfortable, not wanting to settle down.  Since I have a history of foremilk/hindmilk imbalance while nursing I always worry that the block feeding and the like is not working.  I have a Dr's appt tomorrow because I've felt this distinct lump near the areola in one breast, since a few weeks prior to birth.  I'm hoping that it is just a milk duct but really hope they will u/s it and rule out anything else.  I have the number for a lactation consultant so I may give her a call to ease my mind.

post #92 of 110

nak

 

karen, try increasing the block and burping mid and end feed.  I tried going down to a 6 hr block from 12 and she was gassy, grumpy, spitting up.. totally different baby.  went back to 12hr block and we are good again. foremilk/hindmilk imbalance is a pita

 

bluepetals, YAY for nursing going better.  DD1 was easily dxed with the posterior tie by a lactation nurse, they just had to look really closely.  She was tied from mid tongue all the way to the back.  There was no heart shape and she could barely get the tip past her gum line.  We did get it clipped at 3 weeks wish we woulda done it sooner..made a huge difference.

 

 

 

 


Edited by MamaChef - 6/8/11 at 11:03am
post #93 of 110

Things are going great with Macon. Once we realized he preferred the lights on to sleep, he now lets us sleep for 2 1/2 to 3 hours at a time as opposed to just staying awake all night.  He nurses great and pretty much only cries when he needs something.

post #94 of 110

Georgia is 6 days old and almost back to her birth weight. She slept 5 hours at a stretch last night. I was happy but my breasts were not!

post #95 of 110

Still trying to figure little Ardis out.  She was pretty alert the first 36 hours or so then chill and sleepy for a few days.  My milk came in after about 40 hours and engorgment/oversupply is going strong.  She started to be very fussy/screamy at night at day 4.  I've been trying block feeding but she's only 6 days old and it hurts to extend the blocks out.  I'm just now getting to about 4 hours.  At first I thought we were mostly dealing with reflux since she has been spitty from day 1 but I think now there is some gas too, because I notice the screaming fits start with a burp, proceed through breast refusal and then EVENTUALLY nursing again and a big noisy poop.  Then she sags into sleep and I have a very hard time bringing myself to change her, so I'm working on strategies around that.  Ideas are welcome.  This morning there were 2 poops in the diaper and one was green which is definitely ominous.  No more green today.  Co sleeping (except in a recliner) has not been a success yet as she just tends to get milk excited, then spitty and mad.  We've tried sidelying, tried with her sideways across my chest etc.

 

I keep trying to remind mydelf that with DD1 we were absolutely nowhere at this stage.  I hadn't recognized the oversupply yet and she was gassy and fussy all the time.  I was never able to put her down sleeping or sleepy and couldn't nurse her lying down.  So I think I slept in 30 min blocks.  This is still better than that.

post #96 of 110
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Still trying to figure little Ardis out.  She was pretty alert the first 36 hours or so then chill and sleepy for a few days.  My milk came in after about 40 hours and engorgment/oversupply is going strong.  She started to be very fussy/screamy at night at day 4.  I've been trying block feeding but she's only 6 days old and it hurts to extend the blocks out.  I'm just now getting to about 4 hours.  At first I thought we were mostly dealing with reflux since she has been spitty from day 1 but I think now there is some gas too, because I notice the screaming fits start with a burp, proceed through breast refusal and then EVENTUALLY nursing again and a big noisy poop.  Then she sags into sleep and I have a very hard time bringing myself to change her, so I'm working on strategies around that.  Ideas are welcome.  This morning there were 2 poops in the diaper and one was green which is definitely ominous.  No more green today.  Co sleeping (except in a recliner) has not been a success yet as she just tends to get milk excited, then spitty and mad.  We've tried sidelying, tried with her sideways across my chest etc.

 

I keep trying to remind mydelf that with DD1 we were absolutely nowhere at this stage.  I hadn't recognized the oversupply yet and she was gassy and fussy all the time.  I was never able to put her down sleeping or sleepy and couldn't nurse her lying down.  So I think I slept in 30 min blocks.  This is still better than that.



It sounds like Overactive Let down and foremilk/hindmilk imbalance.  They often go hand in hand.  You might think about expressing or pumping some off so you can extend the blocks.  Not everyone would need extreme blocks like I do.. but Id try that first.

post #97 of 110

My midwife came over for Zeph's one week check and found that she's lost a little bit more weight than we expected. :( Turns out that the tongue tie is affecting her feeding more than we realized. So, now I'm pumping a bit to relieve some of the engorgement and feeding her that pumped milk via finger feeds (bottles are out of the question: I'm not about to make this worse than it already is with nipple confusion). We finger feed after a full nurse to ensure she doesn't take any away from my breasts - same with pumping; only pump AFTER a feed, not before. It's been a long time since I've tube fed a baby, but I think I've got the hang of it again. :)

post #98 of 110
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Still trying to figure little Ardis out.  She was pretty alert the first 36 hours or so then chill and sleepy for a few days.  My milk came in after about 40 hours and engorgment/oversupply is going strong.  She started to be very fussy/screamy at night at day 4.  I've been trying block feeding but she's only 6 days old and it hurts to extend the blocks out.  I'm just now getting to about 4 hours.  At first I thought we were mostly dealing with reflux since she has been spitty from day 1 but I think now there is some gas too, because I notice the screaming fits start with a burp, proceed through breast refusal and then EVENTUALLY nursing again and a big noisy poop.  Then she sags into sleep and I have a very hard time bringing myself to change her, so I'm working on strategies around that.  Ideas are welcome.  This morning there were 2 poops in the diaper and one was green which is definitely ominous.  No more green today.  Co sleeping (except in a recliner) has not been a success yet as she just tends to get milk excited, then spitty and mad.  We've tried sidelying, tried with her sideways across my chest etc.

 

I keep trying to remind mydelf that with DD1 we were absolutely nowhere at this stage.  I hadn't recognized the oversupply yet and she was gassy and fussy all the time.  I was never able to put her down sleeping or sleepy and couldn't nurse her lying down.  So I think I slept in 30 min blocks.  This is still better than that.


I had an oversupply/letdown issue with my first also - and this time I did start block feeding right away (6 hour blocks) I won't lie, it HURT. I have a nursing toddler though, which helped a lot smile.gif I'd give him the boob that was 6 hours of milk or so built up, and he at first, shockingly, could hardly make a dent in it but after a day or two the engorgement was manageable. I'd say it finally went away after a week and a half. Marina is also super fussy at night - I nurse her every hour or so from 6-9/10, and then bounce on the ball w/ her in a wrap and she does go to sleep eventually with some burpage. Z was certainly a LOT fussier at this age so hoping she stays relatively mellow smile.gif
post #99 of 110

@atnightingale...have you tried cabbage leaves to help get some relief?  They might speed up the process of the milk regulating a little, too - overusing them can reduce supply, so if you went a little beyond the recommended times, you might get a little reduction in that huge supply.  Worth a try, anyway...

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/engorgement.html#cabbage

post #100 of 110

So, I think my daughter may already be going through a growth spurt. Anyone else? Elliot is 5 weeks old and for the past 3 days has been nursing constantly and sleeping shorter periods because she is waking up to nurse. Luckily she's still sleeping through the night(7-8 hours) which is amazing, but is this a little early for a growth spurt or am I just not remembering correctly! I'm hoping my milk will catch up soon because it's exhausting nursing a baby every hour or 2. I was getting use to 3-4 hour stretches during the day!

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