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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3568820/Osama-home-videos-released.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h8nLJeUnZ3lGLeeIfoHzoLBHDSZQ?docId=CNG.0ade78defc2875bf3eb3e6867300e47f.ad1

post #342 of 412

You're talking about real video, right? I saw an animation today of SEALS in a doorway(bedroom?) and bin laden standing behind and to the side of his wife.

 

My SIL said that al-qaeda is saying that bin laden is NOT dead, and that there will be revenge. Anyone else hear that? All I've got to go off of is internet news, and Pakistani TV news in Urdu(that I don't understand.... my Urdu skills are limited to simpler conversation)

post #343 of 412
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Originally Posted by moonfirefaery View Post

I'm sorry! Let's go back to bin Laden. What did you think about the videos? They were like "Look at this haggard, vain man" I was like? What? Vain? If I was the world's most wanted terrorist I'd want to see the news updates about that situation too! I'm glad they didn't release the audio... but they were saying he was living in luxury. Now they are saying he lived in squalor? I thought they were burning their trash and now I see it's all over the floor?



I've watched the first 5 sec so far(really sucky connection!) and my reaction is pretty much like this:

 

headscratch.gifconfused.gifheadscratch.gifconfused.gifheadscratch.gifconfused.gifheadscratch.gifconfused.gifheadscratch.gifheadscratch.gifheadscratch.gifconfused.gifconfused.gifconfused.gif and, "Why would someone even record something like thatheadscratch.gif?"

 

The skeptic in me says it's fake, but shrug.gif I don't know that it matters anyways. I'm 99% sure the purpose of releasing the videos would be to influence opinions. 

 

 

The article(the Sun) made me laugh, due to language use. I will probably have to go back and read it again, because the ridiculously potent(and sometimes inappropriate, IMO) language that they used in the article made me focus more on the language usage than the information presented(if any? I'll have to go read it again) Ah, gotta love emotional pieces..... But I'm thinking that the whole thing is about invoking certain emotions shrug.gif

 

 

The other article at least serious though.

 

(and moonfirefaery, I'm not trying to insult you for posting the links, I really appreciate it, my connection is so bad here, it would have been hard for me to search through articles until I found one I was looking for)

 

ETA: sorry for posting so many times in a row :) my connection is really bad here, so I try to post before the connection dies for who knows how long

 

ETA: just noticed the pics to the right of the second article. regarding the second pic "a pakistani man reacts" I have only eyesroll.gif to say. Well, and maybe "Thanks for making all pakistanis look like bin laden supporters. It's really gonna help with the discrimination that american indo-paks already face."


Edited by Amatullah0 - 5/8/11 at 9:37am
post #344 of 412
They're telling us on US news that AQ has acknowledge his death and plans to avenge, or something.

Yeah, I'm not getting the spin they're trying to put on these videos. Of course he's watching news reports - they contain information that could be helpful, Sure, it could be about vanity in part, but even the least vain person would be watching the news. Does the US not have intelligence agents scouring the news in enemy countries (and probably friendly ones) for information that could be strategically valuable?

And it definitely wasn't lap of luxury standard of living.
post #345 of 412

They acknowledged his death and named him a martyr, naturally, and then they used very colorful language describing the calibre of their aspirations for our demise.

 

Idk what to think. To me it's just a dude watching TV. I don't see any relevance at all. No special insight into his mind or his life.

post #346 of 412

Yeah, the CNN commentary was ri.dic.u.lous.

 

"Now look here...he's using the stallite guide! And he's wrapped in a blanket! With...what we BELIEVE to be a knit cap! Look, look....here he is stroking his beard!! A beard, which is WHITE!"

 

LOL. Get a grip.

post #347 of 412

Bin Laden and I have the same computer desk.

 

I wonder how much he paid for it.

 

That's all I have to say about that.

 

I frequently use the Sun as a bank of resources for indentifying bias with my middle schoolers.  My FIL tarted reading this when he was ill and we sort of knew then that things weren't looking good for him.  It's a really yellow news source.

 

However, if the goal is to demystify this holy warrior image into one of a tired old feeble man (which many people knew already), I daresay this will blow up in their faces ( which I think is more likely the desired result, unless our public marketing staff turly is as stupid as people think...)  So now we've assassinated a tired old man...that's great.  


I wonder if Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton dye their hair.  How vain would that be? eyesroll.gif

 

I will say one thing about the second article...

 

"President Barack Obama has chosen not to release photos of Bin Laden's corpse, saying the United States should not brandish trophies or risk inciting the Muslim world."

 

If this isn't a war on religion or on a race, why did he say this?  Why not inciting Al-Qaeda supporters?    Why use pictures like the one Amatullah mentioned above with racially charged headings?  I think The white house keeps saying it's not about race or religion, but the media keeps selling us a different story.

post #348 of 412

When I first opened my browser, one of the article titles on Bin Laden was "The Hideaway: Secret Top Floor, Freeze Full of Goat Meat" my first thought...

 

 

 

"He had an attic and food? Good for him!"

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Those were my thoughts exactly, monkey!

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Is Bin Laden really dead? How can we know for sure?

 

I believe he died years ago. I do not believe this new fairy tale about his great murder.

 

I cannot believe a single word from our government or media (one in the same)......if my husband lied that much, I would have divorced him long ago!

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I cannot believe a single word from our government or media (one in the same)......if my husband lied that much, I would have divorced him long ago!


I think that's a really good comparison, though I'm not sure gov and media are "one in the same" they do come deadly close to the same

 

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Is Bin Laden really dead? How can we know for sure?


well this time there were 3 countries who took part in his autopsy. england was one of them. 

 

however i can relate to you. i agree that the media and govt are not synonymous but yeah i can totally believe osama either died years ago or is still alive. i do feel we are lied to more than we are aware of. and extremely misinformed and underinformed too. 

 

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My favorite media lie.......

 

It was reported that World Trade Building 7 had collapsed....only it hadn't, yet. Here is a clip from the live news feed on that terrible day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KBO-7Q_A4s

 

Building 7 did indeed fall, 20 FULL minutes after it was reported. That is strange--a building collapsed at freefall speed, on the same day the twin towers collapsed. Only, no plane hit Building 7.

 

These are just facts. You can decide to look a little deeper into the story, or just continue to believe the official story.

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I don't put much stock in to the idea that the government helped the trade towers fall; however, I have always found it curious that building 7 fell, when no plane hit it. That is unprecedented, to my knowledge. There was said to be a CIA office in that building with lots of old, important files, cases that had been developing for years.

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well this time there were 3 countries who took part in his autopsy. england was one of them. 

 

 


 

And the UK historically have been so open and honest about these sort of things, we should at least take their word for it.

 

(hee hee)

 


 

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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post

Is Bin Laden really dead? How can we know for sure?

 

I believe he died years ago. I do not believe this new fairy tale about his great murder.

 

I cannot believe a single word from our government or media (one in the same)......if my husband lied that much, I would have divorced him long ago!



In many ways you are right.  They are part and parcel of the same circle jerk of power, economy and destruction. 

 

The media is advertising reliant (albeit in many cases the products being advertised are indeed OWNED by the media corporations themselves), so if the product companies don't like what's being broadcast, they will pull advertising, and the the media corp goes bye bye.  So these conglomerates (and make no mistake 95% of the media we are exposed to comes from one of these top conglomerates: Disney, NewsCorp, Viacom, Time Warner, Comcast, CBS, SONY, NBCuniversal, etc) refuse to broadcast news that will incriminate their advertisers...or themselves.  The companies of course are dependant on the government who is in charge of regulation and control and as we have seen in the last few years funding them when they mess things up...so the media doesn't want to piss them off too much either...except when they get in the way of their bottom lines...and then the media is a tool used to oust them.  But for the most part as long as the governmental puppets follow the choreography of the wealthy corporations, and most importantly the banks who control their wealth and finance their moral corruption and social decay, the media and they are BFFs.

 

They have no reason to tell us the truth.  That would imply they want us to make decisions for ourselves, and as Walter Lippmann pointed out all those years ago; that's their job.  The public's job is to be passive and let them entertain us. 

 

Is Bin Laden dead?  Did the Obama Administration handle it and win the war on terror?  Are you feeling confused by all the changing stories?  awwww. Don't you worry your pretty little head about that...look over there...something shiny...fetch!  Good girl.

 

Before we know it Brittney Lohan Hilton will be up to something cray-cray to entertain us all again.


Edited by hakeber - 5/10/11 at 6:17pm
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I don't put much stock in to the idea that the government helped the trade towers fall; however, I have always found it curious that building 7 fell, when no plane hit it. That is unprecedented, to my knowledge. There was said to be a CIA office in that building with lots of old, important files, cases that had been developing for years.


I believe what happened was the debris from the north tower's collapse damaged WTC 7 and set a number of fires which burned long enough to damage the load bearing skeleton of the building causing it to collapse. It was a combination of being too close to the other two towers and having a crap fire suppression system.

 

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hmmmm, I have never heard about the CIA building in WTC7.   That would be an odd location, but not impossible.

 

I do know that WTC 7 was not the only building to suffer substantial damage enough for collapse apart from the twin towers.  My cousin worked in a building at ground zero and his office block was blown out during the collapse of towers and I belive the entire if not one half of his building fell to pieces and was not hit by a plane.  Several buildings adjacent to the towers were demolished as a result of the collapsing towers.  Usually those sort of constructions are IMPLODED when demolished and proper precautions are taken to protect neighboring buildings.  The towers were extremely close to neighboring buildings.  These were not wide spread down town areas like in some cities.  They were narrow canyons of buildings, and when the towers collapsed they took out quite a lot of real estate with them.

 

It's still weird about the report coming 20 minutes before.  That's just sloppy.

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This thread has prompted me to poke around on this issue, and I found this interesting site re. building 7 and the 1500 engineers and architects who claim the official version of events to be implausible.There is an ad they've done and when one pauses the clip at the 9 second mark, the perfect row of vertical blow outs down one side of the building look very, very strange to me--there is no way a fire blew out windows in such a synchronized way. It is very strange. http://rememberbuilding7.org/  (Also, I think CNN reported that the building had collapsed, too, but the anchor looked behind him and saw it standing and got kind of confused.) Bizarre-o.

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It's still weird about the report coming 20 minutes before.  That's just sloppy.



Not really considering the fire department evacuated the area around the building two hours before it collapsed because they could tell at least part of it was going to go. My guess is there was miscommunication that made it sound to those reporting it like the building had already collapsed when it just simple on the verge of collapsing.



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This thread has prompted me to poke around on this issue, and I found this interesting site re. building 7 and the 1500 engineers and architects who claim the official version of events to be implausible.There is an ad they've done and when one pauses the clip at the 9 second mark, the perfect row of vertical blow outs down one side of the building look very, very strange to me--there is no way a fire blew out windows in such a synchronized way. It is very strange. http://rememberbuilding7.org/  (Also, I think CNN reported that the building had collapsed, too, but the anchor looked behind him and saw it standing and got kind of confused.) Bizarre-o.


It does look pretty normal to me. If one side starts going down even milliseconds before the other side, it can put stress on the building in a vertical line, my guess is those windows is where that stress was focused. 

 

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Popular Mechanics printed a decent, easy-to-understand 9/11 conspiracy theories rebuttal a number of years ago, dealing mostly with the various claims about engineering, physical damage, probabilities, etc.  IIRC the claims about building 7 were included.  It should be easily found on the web.

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