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Charting to Avoid / Fertility Awareness Method - May

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Welcome to the May 2011 charting to avoid and fertility awareness thread. We are all at different stages in family planning and our own fertility. Some of us are very ardently Charting to Avoid (CTA); some are CTA but would be thrilled with a BFP; and we even have a few who are "whatevering" or pregnant and continue to hang out here.

 

If you did not post in April, you may have been deleted from the list. If you have joined recently, please double check I have your chart linked correctly. If you were mistakenly deleted, you would like to be added/removed, or you spot anything you would like me to change, please post or PM me to let me know. Remember, you must post in May if you want to be on the June list!

To those who are new, welcome! Welcome.gif


 

 

    Who We Are

badgerbaby

Barefoot Girl

BirthIsAwesome

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Carlyle

CarsonBookworm BFPChart2.gif

Devaya BFPChart2.gif

Eaglevoice

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goinggreengirl BFPChart2.gif  
HulaJenn BFPChart2.gif 

jenmegc BFPChart2.gif

JMJ

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justKate BFPChart2.gif 

librarygirl BFPChart2.gif

mirpmama BFPChart2.gif

miss_honeyb BFPChart2.gif 

phathui5

Pumpkin_Pie BFPChart2.gif

RavaAvis BFPChart2.gif

SamiPolizzi

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theboysmama BFPChart2.gif
Toolip BFPChart2.gif

TrishWSU BFPChart2.gif 

 

Graduates

Pregnant! belly.gif
OSUvet (Feb. 2011)
echospiritwarrior (Feb. 2011)
lyterae (Feb. 2011)
dex_millie (Feb. 2011)
annie2186 (April 2011)
katiedidbug (May 2011)
BarefootScientist (June 2011)
Smokering (June 2011)

AnnieA (July 2011)

shells_n_cheese (July 2011)
Baby_Cakes

MovingMomma

capretta (October 2011)

mommy2two babes (December 2011)

lactatinggirl (January 2012)

 

No Longer TTA

jeninejessica BFPChart2.gif

LionessMom BFPChart2.gif

Mummoth BFPChart2.gif



Good luck to those now TTC! fingersx.gif
 

 

 Summary of FAM Rules

(sympto-thermal)

Pre-ovulation rules:

1) First 5 Days Rule: You are safe the first 5 days of your menstrual cycle if you had an obvious temp shift 12-16 days before.

2) Dry Day Rule: You are safe to DTD after 6PM if you have been dry all day.


Post ovulation rules:

1) Peak Day Rule: The last day of fertile mucus is called the peak day (the day before your mucus begins to dry up). You are safe to DTD on the fourth consecutive day after the peak day. If another patch of more fertile mucus appears, start your count over.

2) Temperature Shift Rule: You are safe the evening of the third consecutive day your temp is above your coverline. If your temp falls at or below the coverline during the 3 day count, begin your count again.

BOTH rules must be satisfied to be considered in your infertile phase.


How to set a coverline:

When you see a temperature shift of at least 0.2° F above the highest of the previous 6 temps, draw a line 0.1° F above that highest temp.

 

 

 Resources

Books

Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler
Garden of Fertility
 by Katie Singer
Honoring Our Cycles (workbook) by Katie Singer
The Art of Natural Family Planning by John and Sheila Kippley
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing by Sheila Kippley
Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition by Marilyn Shannon


Websites

TCOYF (Ovusoft) charting software, and brief fertility library
Fertility Friend charting software, and ttc charting guide
myfertilitycharts.com free software for ttc or tta
Garden of Fertility author Katie Singer's website
Mothering Magazine article by Katie Singer
Billings Ovulation Method info
Billings Ovulation Method Association, USA
Billings Centre, CA
Couple to Couple League (find an NFP instructor)
Creighton Model


Abbreviations

AF: Aunt Flo, menses, your period
BBT: basal body temperature
BC: birth control
BIP: basic infertile pattern
CD: cycle day
CF: cervical fluid (same as CM)
CHs: crosshairs (intersection of coverline and ovulation)
CL: coverline
CM: cervical mucus (same as CF)
CO: cervical opening
CP: cervical position
CTA: charting to avoid
CTW: charting to "whatever" (not avoiding, not preventing)
DPO: days past ovulation
DTD: do the dead (sex)
EWCM: eggwhite cervical mucus/fluid
FAM: fertility awareness method
FF: Fertility Friend (website, see above)
HBC: hormonal birth control
HTL: high temp level (0.4°F above LTL, temp rise needed to indicate O)
LAM: lactational amenorrhea method (breastfeeding as birth control)
LP: luteal phase (between ovulation and menses, average 10-16 days)
LTL: low temp level (highest of the 6 temps immediately before temp rise)
NFP: natural family planning
O: ovulation
SHOW: soft, high, open, wet (characteristics of the cervix near ovulation)
SR: seminal residue
TCOYF: Taking Charge of Your Fertility (book and website, see above)
TTA: trying to avoid
TTW: trying to whatever
other common abbreviations

 

 Happy Charting Everyone!  


Edited by justKate - 5/29/11 at 5:49pm
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Thank you! Subbing!

CD 16 for me... this is the first time that I haven't O'ed on CD 13-14 since I started charting. No temp rise whatsoever! We shall see!
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Thanks for the new thread, JustKate.  I just cross-posted with you with some information for people who are having a difficult time with CM because of all-the-time less-fertile CM and long cycles, not enough CM to warn you before O, or O so early that CM might start without you noticing during AF.

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JMJ, I'm copying your post here so that no one will miss it.

 

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Azgirl (and anyone else who is interested), I now have my NFP book to give more information on how to tell the end of the infertile period pre-ovulation (phase I) that go a little beyond the information in TCOYF.  When CM is confusing, these are very helpful.  This is from The Art of NFP 4th Edition by John and Sheila Kippley.  The following rules are for the last day of your cycle to consider yourself infertile.  They go from most to least conservative, though all are at least 99% effective.

 

-Total abstinence (recommended for beginners and couples with an extremely serious reason to avoid pregnancy)

 

-Day 3 (assume that you are potentially fertile on day 4): Use if you have had cycles less than 21 days in your last 12 cycles or if you are in premenopause.  Once your period has ended, and you have truly "dry" days, you can consider yourself infertile until you experience CM if you wish.  This rule is there so that women who experience short cycles and may be fertile even while they are experiencing bleeding heavy enough to cover fertility signs can CTA effectively.

 

-Day 4: Use if any of your last 12 cycles have been 22 days.  You may use the "last dry day" rule once your period has ended if you wish.

 

-Day 5: If your shortest cycle in the past year was 23-25 days.

 

-Day 6: If you shortest cycle in the past year was at least 26 days.

 

-21 day rule: With 6 cycles of experience, shortest cycle minus 21 = last day of phase I if dry.

-20 day rule: With 12 cycles of experience, shortest cycle minus 21 = last day of phase I if dry.

 

-The Doering Rule: Earliest day of thermal shift (in 6-12 cycles) minus 7 = Last day of phase I if dry.  You need at least 6 cycles of experience to use this.  Dr. Doering actually tested this rule as a temperature-only method, without paying any attention to CM, so it may be effective even if you are not dry.  TAONFP recommends that you may use this rule even in the presence of less fertile mucus if you know that you have all-the-time less fertile mucus and consistently have at least 5 or 6 days of more fertile mucus from start to peak day.  Do not disregard more-fertile mucus.

 

Last month was sort of a slow month, so I didn't delete anyone.  Hopefully that means everyone is having an easy time CTA.  As for me, I've got a big exam to take in February of next year, so I'll be CTA with a little extra caution for this cycle and next.

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Hmmm... This thread is off to a quiet start.  Hopefully that means charting is going well for everybody... well... except me.  I'm having a crazy chart with a day or two of fertile CM, then drying up over the next 1-3 days (never 4), then CM again.  I've had 4 peaks, no ovulation, and it's CD 23.  My temperature is bouncing around, but it's around my normal LTL for now, so I'm cautiously hoping for O within the week.  Maybe if I wait long enough, AF will stay away from our upcoming road trips.

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Me too!!! This is my first non-textbook cycle in over 2 years!!!! Sheesh! Cd 20 for me and I had EW yesterday and a big spike today. I hope it's not a fluke and it is still up tomorrow. It's actually good timing because I would have been expecting af right at graduation and I didn't want that, so this puts it off a bit. But geesh, I was really getting antsy and feeling for those of you that have long cycles all the time!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b6757/?i=4291560&
post #7 of 68

That's looking promising, Toolip.

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Hello all! Just wanted to pop by and say that you can move me from "No longer TTA" to "Pregnant!"!!! Due January 2012. :-D

post #9 of 68
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Congrats!  Have a happy, healthy nine months, and keep us posted on the new little one's arrival!  love.gif

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Hello all! Just wanted to pop by and say that you can move me from "No longer TTA" to "Pregnant!"!!! Due January 2012. :-D



Congratulations!  Another great thing about charting for birth control.  It's really easy to reverse!  Looking forward to meeting your new little one in 9 months!

post #11 of 68
Well, I screwed up this cycle. I just bought a big box of tampons and two pregnancy tests. We'll see what happens. I'm 17 dpo if my ovulation date was correct, which if it was, I have NO IDEA how one of those devious little spermies made it. I haven't had any pregnancy symptoms though. If it wasn't right, I stopped temping for the cycle after ovulation was confirmed and then we started skipping the condoms...

Gah! I am so not ready to have another baby. I plan on taking a test in the morning if my period hasn't shown up before then. praying.gif

And congrats to Lactatinggirl!
post #12 of 68

Goinggreengirl, that doesn't look like an O to me.  Your temp didn't stay up, and it didn't line up with a dry up.

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I'm new to this forum. I've been charting with everything except temps since having my mirena removed in early January (started temping today, a very unexpected CD1! AF wasn't due until Saturday, but I really don't think that I o'ed last cycle.....erratic cm....two days of creamy, all other days dry or sticky....and if I O'ed during the creamy cm days....my LP was only eight days, when it usually is twelve or thirteen.) I know that stress delayed my O in February.....but AF showed up after a 13 day LP.) March cycle was textbook 31 days, twelve day LP, last cycle was only 28 days long. I PM'd my chart. Here is another link.

 

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3204d2

 

 


Edited by CarsonBookworm - 5/10/11 at 11:27pm
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Toolip, your chart looks great.  How nice of your body to delay O and accomodate graduation!  Gotta love it when that happens.

 

goinggreengirl, any news?

 

CarsonBookworm, welcome!

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I'm new to this forum. I've been charting with everything except temps since having my mirena removed at (started temping today, a very unexpected CD1! AF wasn't due until Saturday, but I really don't think that I o'ed last cycle.....erratic cm....two days of creamy, all other days dry or sticky....and if I O'ed during the creamy cm days....my LP was only eight days, when it usually is twelve.)

I'll post my chart in the morning.

Welcome!
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Welcome to CarsonBookworm!

Period started this morning! joy.gif Nearly drove myself crazy the past few days. Lesson learned: DO NOT trust Fertility Friend without thinking about what I'm seeing on my chart. I've gotten so used to just trusting when it says I ovulated, that I don't look critically at the information. nono.gif
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Welcome to CarsonBookworm!

Period started this morning! joy.gif Nearly drove myself crazy the past few days. Lesson learned: DO NOT trust Fertility Friend without thinking about what I'm seeing on my chart. I've gotten so used to just trusting when it says I ovulated, that I don't look critically at the information. nono.gif

Yes, that is a very good lesson! joy.gif for AF!!!

I just have to say this to make sure that the new people know, FF is NOT for CTA, is is for TTC. You cannot trust it's interpretation for CTA purposes but it is handy for sharing charts!
post #18 of 68

Can I join?  I literally just started FAM and charting yesterday (which conveniently was the first day of my cycle) so I'm still learning everything.  My husband is gone for a few more months though so I have time to learn.

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Can I join?  I literally just started FAM and charting yesterday (which conveniently was the first day of my cycle) so I'm still learning everything.  My husband is gone for a few more months though so I have time to learn.


Welcome! It's great to be able to start charting when there's no pressure to get it right!
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Originally Posted by goinggreengirl View Post

Welcome to CarsonBookworm!

Period started this morning! joy.gif Nearly drove myself crazy the past few days. Lesson learned: DO NOT trust Fertility Friend without thinking about what I'm seeing on my chart. I've gotten so used to just trusting when it says I ovulated, that I don't look critically at the information. nono.gif



Yes, that is a very good lesson! joy.gif for AF!!!

I just have to say this to make sure that the new people know, FF is NOT for CTA, is is for TTC. You cannot trust it's interpretation for CTA purposes but it is handy for sharing charts!



Thanks. I've started a chart on TCOYF in addition to FF......for sharing. But I use an Android app specifically for CTA and rely on it. If only it wasn't super conservative to the point of stating that every day from the day after AF ends until a week before AF comes around again is fertile. Even TCOYF isn't so strict! After I temp for a few cycles, it should stop being so cautious. :)

 

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