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post #1 of 17
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Forgive the inordinate length of this post ... I am so sad about the way things have been going with my DS1, who will be 4 in June.  He is, to put it mildly, spirited, and unfortunately I am not a very patient person, so we have a major personality clash.  Even my husband, who I consider to be a much more patient person than myself, gets fed up with DS1's behavior pretty much every single day and ends up yelling at him (the only thing that has a prayer of getting his attention).  Some days are better than others ... sometimes he is a really sweet boy ... he is very smart and verbal ... but he drives us both up the mother*&$%#@%ing wall on almost a daily basis, and sometimes many times a day.  I read somewhere that you need to have 5 positive interactions for every negative interaction to maintain a good relationship with someone.  Well, I think we are lucky to keep the ratio at 1 to 1.  And the long-term effect of that is that it is changing my global view of him from my little boy who I love to someone who I still love, of course, but who I don't enjoy spending time with.  I think of him as difficult, I expect the worst, I look forward to sending him to school so he can be someone else's problem for a while, I worry that no one will like him because he is so difficult.  And all of this is a big self-fulfilling prophecy waiting to happen (or already in the process of happening), but I just don't know how to break the cycle.

 

Here are some examples of things he does that drive us crazy:

 

- He doesn't listen.  We often have to ask him a question, even something very simple like would he like some strawberries for dessert, at least 5 times before we get a response, and generally we have to raise our voices or scold in order to get the response.  Bedtime routine with DH is an extended series of battles almost every night, to get him to cooperate with toothbrushing, potty before bed, getting pajamas on, etc.  And then after stories are read he finds a dozen ways to stall before letting DH go, which he never does willingly.  It's sweet that he loves his Daddy and I know he wishes they had more time together (I am the SAH parent so he gets plenty of time with me) but it is exhausting for DH at the end of each day to have to spend 1.5 hours putting DS1 to bed.

 

- He will not sit still at the table.  He is reluctant to sit down at the table for meals at all, and will often pick that moment to say he has to go to the bathroom and go hide in the bathroom until we hunt him down and make him come back to the table.  This is part of a whole other issue which is that he is the pickiest eater the world has ever known, which also drives us batty (well, me in particular) and is rarely very enthusiastic about eating unless it involves pizza or chocolate.  We never make him eat anything he doesn't want, but he finds new ways to be contrary about even the food that we give him that we know he likes, even sometimes right after he has asked for that specific thing.  Mealtimes are often a battleground, sadly.

 

- He gets into things he shouldn't all the time.  We have practically every cabinet and drawer in our house outfitted with locks, but he still manages to either get into stuff that is not secured that way (I mean, do we have to replace ALL our open shelving with cabinets?  Is that a prerequisite for life with this child?) or he will reach his hand into the gap and pull things out.  Most often it is stuff that is dangerous -- scissors, razors, etc.  Or it is stuff that is ours that he has no business being in, like my jewelry or makeup or toiletries or whatever.  I try to keep things out of his reach as much as possible but as he gets older he is both taller and more adept at finding ways to get into things.  If he just looked at stuff it wouldn't be so bad, but he invariably either makes a mess or hurts himself and I'm just like, is this not my house?  Am I not allowed to have private things?  I do not remember ever being this way as a child and I know that other people's children are not like this.  I know he is just curious but there have to be boundaries and he is constantly pushing them.

 

- He is sometimes an angry child.  This one, I think, is probably at least partially our fault, because he has just learned what he has seen from us, but it certainly doesn't help to defuse situations.  When reprimanded or asked to stop doing something, he will often respond with violent talk ("how about I throw you off the deck?"  "I'm going to put you in a trash can" and sometimes much worse, to the point where I worry about him becoming a psychopath) and more recently, namecalling ("stupid idiot" and such).  I think this is mostly about pride -- he doesn't like being reprimanded, it makes him feel small, and he lashes out in response.  But what happens is that if we do have to correct his behavior when we are having an otherwise nice day, it tends to escalate into something big.

 

- He is a huge drama queen.  Always has been.  If he wakes up during the wrong part of the sleep cycle during a nap or even sometimes in the morning, he will sometimes cry inconsolably for half an hour.  If something doesn't go his way, depending on his mood he will have a complete meltdown.  One example that I will never forget is that one time a few months ago he cried for half an hour because his banana broke in half while he was peeling it.  He eventually ate it when I made it clear that he was not getting anything else until he did because I was not going to waste a perfectly good banana over something so ridiculous.  Writing about it now I wonder if I should have had more sympathy, but geez, a broken banana?  What am I even supposed to do with that?  It's so absurd there are no words for how absurd it is.

 

- He is not gentle enough with his brother, and sometimes he is downright mean (hitting him, knocking him over) for no discernible reason.  This puts me over the top on a regular basis.  I admit it, I scream at him about it because it makes me so angry.  I don't know what an appropriate consequence is that I can enforce consistently (I'm 34 weeks pregnant and very big and unwieldy so it is hard for me to pick him up at this point). 

 

I have always aspired to be the perfect GD parent but I have to admit that GD does not seem to work with this child.  Or maybe I just don't have the patience for it, I don't know.  I feel defensive about it, like I challenge even the most saintly parent out there to take my place for a week and just see if you can get through it without yelling because I don't see how it is possible.  This child could try the patience of a SAINT. 

 

The worst part of all of this is that I would never have known how truly awful he often is if he was an only child or if my second was the same.  Instead, my DS2 is a sweet, happy people pleaser, which provides quite a contrast.  Even adjusting for differences in their ages, the difference in their personalities is stark.  DS2 is, of course, a toddler, and has his moments, but it's just nothing like DS1.  DS2 is easier to parent, plain and simple, and more enjoyable to be around.  How do I live with this knowledge and not have it be obvious to DS1 and make things worse?  (I know it already is obvious to him). 

 

The title of this post refers to the fact that I was the spirited older child and my younger brother was the more subdued people pleaser.  My mother very obviously preferred my brother and at some point just basically wrote me off emotionally and it damaged me irreparably for life.  I feel like I am starting down the same path and sadly am starting to sympathize with her position despite knowing what it did to me.  I don't think I was half as obnoxious as my DS1 is as a child but I know for a fact that I had not a people pleasing bone in my body and I see now why that is hard for a parent to deal with.  

 

I don't know where I'm going with this or what I'm asking for.  I definitely don't want a bunch of "have you tried x?" stuff because I read this board all the time and have read a ton of parenting books but none of it has gotten to the root of the problem.  I guess I'm just venting and wondering if anyone else has a child as difficult as mine and how you manage to keep it together and keep love in the forefront of the relationship and not show obvious favoritism.  I just feel tired, just emotionally exhausted and unable to get a long enough break to recharge.  And now I'm about to have another one and I'm so afraid that he will be like DS1 and I just could not handle that.  People with easy kids do not understand how hard it is to have a child like this.  If I only had a child like DS2 I would read this post and think what a  monster, I feel so sorry for that child, but you just don't know how exhausting it is every single day to have a difficult child until you've been there.  I have every good intention in the world but I am just having a hard time handling him (and so is DH). 

 

ETA:  These are my most horrible thoughts and most negative feelings.  It's not like this every day.  It's not even like this today -- we're having a pretty good day today actually.  But I do have these feelings sometimes and feel terrible about it.

 

 


Edited by msmiranda - 5/3/11 at 1:55pm
post #2 of 17
I don't have much advice other than to wait it out. My ds, newly 4, has had a major personality change recently. He has gone from being (next to dd, anyway!) the most agreeable, positive child to being difficult, demanding and generally uncooperative. Rather than viewing it as a situation where his personality is set in stone, I'm viewing it as a phase. From what I've read, 4 is a difficult age for boys, theyre undergoing physical hormonal and emotional changes. Most of the behaviors you describe seem normal and expected to me.
Try to be patient, pick your battles, and hope it passes quickly. Good luck!
post #3 of 17

*For the not listening, is it possible he's being given too many choices and is shutting down? If this were the case I'd announce what was for dessert and tell him if he has a issue with it he needs to speak up, with bedtime set a limit to how many stories you will read. The only big issue I see is brushing teeth, that's not negotiable, have you tried approaching it playfully, have bear brush his teeth first, manual/electric, different toothpaste....? And, of course you could ask him what the deal is, and brainstorm together some ways to handle it.


*Why does he have to sit at the table to eat? Why do you have a issue with him grazing, rather than eating meals? It's very normal, and actually healthier, for kid's to graze all day long on healthy food rather than eating meals. We let our kids eat wherever they please, as long as they help clean up the mess.

 

*Put the dangerous stuff, or really special stuff either in a lockbox or somewhere he couldn't reach, even with the help of a chair. We have to do this with ds, he figured out how to undo "child-proof" caps on vitamins about a month ago.

 

*I believe that kind of talk, while shocking, is normal at this age. Don't take it personally, but do talk to him later about how it made you feel and why/where he's saying/hearing these things.

 

*Have you tried melatonin for the sleep issues? Magnesium may help as well for the emotional upsets.

 

*We're UP'ers here, but when things get physical I do adopt Barbara Coloroso's approach of "if you hit you sit". The hitter sits immediately while I comfort the other child, and then we all use some nvc to get to the bottom of what happened and make some strategies to prevent it from happening again. Depending on their moods I'll also advise the both to either go for a time-in, play seperately, or just go outside and get fresh  air.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Mittsy - 5/4/11 at 8:36am
post #4 of 17
Is he in preschool?

Things that helped us here:
*PRESCHOOL. (3 days a week including one 'long' day). DS was bored.
*Not repeating myself. Ideally we do one request and then a consequence. Maybe two requests if it's something casual. But hiding during dinner (for example) = bedtime. Might sounds kind of harsh but honestly we were ALL going mad from me being wishy washy about stuff.
*picky eating - I got help from an OT and we do 'food games' to help him be less afraid of new foods, etc. Before that though we instituted a ' no whining during dinner' rule. Whining = stay in room until after dinner.
*Dawdling at bedtime = no books. Dawdling 2 days in a row = no bedtime same time as his sister (instead of his extra 20 minutes).

Then structure, structure, structure during the day.

Basically I had to get us to a point where his behavior had immediate consequences. It REALLY improved his behavior and then we could start to have fun again. And then with that the behavior (a LOT of what you're talking about) basically went away b/c we were both happy and busy.

My DD is much calmer and needs fewer rules and structure. My son is more like me. Just a very busy head and really needs things black and white to get through his days. I am the same way.
post #5 of 17

I have a good relationship with my mom now, but it has had it's ups and downs and I KNOW what you mean about fearing turning into your mom.  Sometimes I open my mouth and hear my mom, circa 1977 coming out.  I hate it!

 

Regarding your son...I know you are venting here but IRL take some time every night, perhaps before bedtime, to tell him and yourself all the things he did RIGHT that made you proud.  Let him know that you saw him help his brother, that you appreciated the ONE TIME today that he listened to you, that he made you a craft, etc...it will help both of you to really reinforce that you love him as he is now.

 

As for things that need to change-one thing that worked well with DD was quiet talks at non-charged time.  Regarding bedtime, I could say to her in the afternoon, "You know, it makes me so sad that every night ends with you in tears and me/Daddy losing temper.  Daddy can't sleep in there all night. What do you think would work better?"  And then later I could remind her that this was her solution.  Not executed perfectly every night, but it helped us and I think it gave DD some respect and maybe a little bit of the control that she was craving.   You could try the same approach with sitting at dinner and trying new foods.  Basically, at 4 I think he might be old enough to take questions like that seriously.  And if he's not...then I think you need to keep thinking positive and wait for him to hit another maturity peak.

 

DD is six now, and she's matured so much just this year.  It's really been a huge year for us. One other thing I noticed is that when kids hit 3 or 4 they start to seem so big and mature to us--especially if there are littler ones around--but then when you look back, you can see that they are really still babies too.  My mom told me that, and it helped then and  now I do see that is true.  I watch videos of DD at 4 and she was still so little! 

post #6 of 17
He's still only 3, not yet 4, he has a younger sibling to share you with, and is dealing with another impending birth. Not to mention that you and your dh are dealing with an impending birth, so your patience would naturally be thin. And 3.5 is a really really hard age. They're still emotionally toddlers, but they are desperate for autonomy and create power struggles wherever they can, as often as they can.

Personality wise he sounds a lot like my older dd,, who was a challenge even without closely spaced siblings. I bet you really have your hands full.

Not listening is really common at this age, and lasts a while. It can help to gently touch his shoulder and move down to his level before you start to talk to him.

I'd relax about the eating at the table thing for the time being. It is a power struggle that IMO can be dropped. You and he are going through too much and I'd save the power struggles for those things really desperate. Set the food out, and if he eats it, great. If he doesn't, put it in the fridge and pull it out for him later.

You probably do still have to keep dangerous stuff like razors out of his reach, and pretty but messy things like makeup. maybe keep them in one room and find a way to lock it so it is off limits. He's too young to have great impulse control, and you'll have two more kids who will need the same thing so you might as well get it set up now.

Some mean talk is normal and can be part of him processing normal fears about his relationship with you, particularly as you are expecting a baby so soon. I'd just calmly ask him to speak more nicely and remind him that you love him and think he's wonderful no matter what he thinks of you. That will relax his fears.

Good luck! I'm afraid things are likely to continue to be pretty challenging as he and your whole family adjust to having a new baby around. Try to relax about more minor stuff and trust that he'll outgrow lots of this.
post #7 of 17

Hugs, mama. That sounds rough.  I have a three year old who, basically from the second I got pregnant, has been 10000 times harder to deal with than before. "No" this, "no" that, very uncooperative, hitting, and just downright naughty.  I would bet that your DS is reacting somewhat to your pregnancy and the upcoming changes he senses.  Like PP said, it will probably be difficult for a while after baby is born, but hopefully things will settle at least a little bit. 

 

As far as parenting like your mom...this is a huge fear of mine as well.  There is a book I have seen suggested on here that I think is called Parenting From the Inside Out that addresses that.  Maybe worth a look.  Good luck to you. 

post #8 of 17

He doesn't listen.  We often have to ask him a question, even something very simple like would he like some strawberries for dessert, at least 5 times before we get a response, and generally we have to raise our voices or scold in order to get the response. >>>>>>

 

Don't ask 5 times.  Go up to him, gently touch him, make sure you have eye contact and ask your question.  If he doesn't answer about the strawberries than move on.  If you're asking him to do something such as help pick up then move him toward that direction.

 

(I mean, do we have to replace ALL our open shelving with cabinets? >>>>>

 

For now I guess so, it won't always be that way though.  3 y/os are still low on impulse control.

 

Writing about it now I wonder if I should have had more sympathy, but geez, a broken banana?  What am I even supposed to do with that?  It's so absurd there are no words for how absurd it is.>>>>>>>>

 

Sounds like he may be overtired if this happens a lot, although some kids just have a harder time with things like that than others.   How long is he sleeping and napping?

 

- He is not gentle enough with his brother, and sometimes he is downright mean (hitting him, knocking him over) for no discernible reason.>>>>>>

 

I have 2 daughters and a son and my son has always been a lot more physical like that.  Perhaps he needs to run off more energy?  Having my son "play" wrestle with my dh helps him not do that stuff to others.

 

I have always aspired to be the perfect GD parent but I have to admit that GD does not seem to work with this child. >>>>>>

 

What do you mean it doesn't work?  Are you expecting it to change his behavior?  GD isn't about making kids stop age appropriate behavior which most of what you described seems to be.  3 is a rough age no doubt about it but it will get better.  How is his behavior in preschool?

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #9 of 17

Another parent of a drama queen here.

 

Somethings thoughts:

1. Preschool. Seriously. I know it's probably not as 'natural living' as some parents on the board would like, but having a space where my child could be her own person and get some of her intense social needs met was a huge plus. That little break gave us time to recharge and see her delightful side.

2. PROTEIN. Dd has a high need for protein (and fat), and when there's too little in her diet, she's cranky.

3. Bedtime. What if your dh just resigned himself to spending 1.5 hours putting your ds to bed? At that age, I'm pretty sure that's how long it took to get our kids in bed. Actually, our kids are nearly 7 and 10 now, and bedtime routine starts about an hour before they're actually in bed. Now, it's a lot less intense than it was when they were 3 and 4, but it's still an hour.

4. When do you spend 1-1 time with him? I find that when I do this, kids are a lot happier. I was very sick with stomach flu yesterday, and not surprisingly, dd had a really hard time getting out of bed this morning. Dad didn't get the kids to bed as earlier as we normally do (hard when you're working on your own) and she didn't get her snuggle time with me.

5. Humor. Sometimes laughing with (and sometimes laughing at) my drama queen is all I can do.

6. Reducing choices. When I'm overwhelmed, my kids don't get as many choices. They've lived through it.

 

And don't shoot me for saying the dreaded "have you.." but have you had his hearing checked?

 

Finally, remember that you are 34 weeks pregnant and hormonal. You will feel better soon. Neither pregnancy nor age 3-4 is a permanent condition!

 

post #10 of 17
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...he drives us both up the mother*&$%#@%ing wall on almost a daily basis, and sometimes many times a day.  I read somewhere that you need to have 5 positive interactions for every negative interaction to maintain a good relationship with someone.  Well, I think we are lucky to keep the ratio at 1 to 1.  And the long-term effect of that is that it is changing my global view of him from my little boy who I love to someone who I still love, of course, but who I don't enjoy spending time with.  I think of him as difficult, I expect the worst, I look forward to sending him to school so he can be someone else's problem for a while, I worry that no one will like him because he is so difficult.  And all of this is a big self-fulfilling prophecy waiting to happen (or already in the process of happening), but I just don't know how to break the cycle.

 

I could have written this myself.  I feel EXACTLY the same way about my dd.  She was a difficult baby.  She was the toddler that hurt her friends.  Now she's destructive and defiant. I hear that by age 5 I can hope for some better times...  But it would be nice to enjoy time with my dd on a regular basis not just once a day when she surprises me and does something nice or helpful.  I'm afraid I don't have advice, but I do have a whole lot of empathy!

 

- He will not sit still at the table.  He is reluctant to sit down at the table for meals at all, and will often pick that moment to say he has to go to the bathroom ...and is rarely very enthusiastic about eating unless it involves pizza or chocolate.  ...Mealtimes are often a battleground, sadly.

 

Same with dd... not to mention all the food allergy issues we also grappled with for her first year.  Uggh!  I know pp's have mentioned simply putting the food out and if she eats, great, if not, put it away.  We've tried that.  She won't eat dinner.  And then at bedtime, guess what?  She's hungry.  We've tried this system with warnings and without warnings.  We've tried it where we don't give in and where we do.  Nothing changes anything.  If she's hungry at bedtime, she won't fall asleep.  She'll be up for hours, coming down out of her room crying for food.  It feels like an impossible situation so we went back to enforcing eating at dinner.  Honestly the only thing getting her through dinner now is the promise of dessert.  I feel awful using sweets as a reward for eating a good dinner, but I feel like we've tried everything.

 

- He gets into things he shouldn't all the time.  We have practically every cabinet and drawer in our house outfitted with locks, but he still manages to either get into stuff that is not secured that way ...I know he is just curious but there have to be boundaries and he is constantly pushing them.

 

We have all our cabinets childproofed as well, but she can get into them now.  This wasn't really an issue for quite some time and then one day we found her eating the entire bottle of Hyland's Teething Tablets.  Good thing they're homeopathic...  A week later she got into a tub of lotion and smeared it all over our towels, then there was toothpaste on the mirror.  She dug up all the chard in my garden the other day and has been drawing on the walls with pens and crayons for the past several weeks.  Yes, destructive... I'm not sure why- it doesn't appear she's looking for a reaction, it appears she just has an urge to make a mess, to destroy. 

 

- He is sometimes an angry child.  This one, I think, is probably at least partially our fault, because he has just learned what he has seen from us, but it certainly doesn't help to defuse situations.  When reprimanded or asked to stop doing something, he will often respond with violent talk ("how about I throw you off the deck?"  "I'm going to put you in a trash can" and sometimes much worse, to the point where I worry about him becoming a psychopath)

 

I'm going to poop on your face!!!  That's dd's favorite.  And dh has mentioned the word psychopath several times b/c of her behaviors.  I know this type of talk is totally age appropriate, especially "potty talk" but I definitely feel your worry at times!

 

- He is a huge drama queen.  ....What am I even supposed to do with that?  It's so absurd there are no words for how absurd it is.

 

I hear you!  Dd will flip out over crazy things.  I try to remember that it doesn't feel crazy to her, that her emotions are real, but I totally get where you're coming from when you're chasing after a toddler and you're exhausted from pregnancy... just eat the freaking banana.  I get it. 

 

- He is not gentle enough with his brother, and sometimes he is downright mean (hitting him, knocking him over) for no discernible reason. 

 

Yes, the hurting behaviors are possibly the worst.  Dd will do the same things to her little brother as well, but honestly, it was even harder to deal with her biting, kicking, pushing, pulling, pinching and hitting her friends when she was younger.  I am SO happy she doesn't do that anymore, but it was a looooong year and a half where I had to shadow her every move to prevent injury to other kids.  Talk about exhausting!

 

I have always aspired to be the perfect GD parent but I have to admit that GD does not seem to work with this child.  Or maybe I just don't have the patience for it, I don't know.  I feel defensive about it, like I challenge even the most saintly parent out there to take my place for a week and just see if you can get through it without yelling because I don't see how it is possible.  This child could try the patience of a SAINT. 

When they're done at your house they can come over to mine!  lol.gif  I hear you!  I feel totally lost.  I've read all the books, tried technique after technique, we've been to an OT for an SPD evaluation, but nothing seems to work except waiting for her to out grow these "phases."  There is entirely too much yelling going on at my house and I hate it.  We were using the 1-2-3 Magic system (Phelan) and that helped for several months. But now it's a total fail.  I don't know what to do either except wait and hope.

 

The worst part of all of this is that I would never have known how truly awful he often is if he was an only child or if my second was the same.  Instead, my DS2 is a sweet, happy people pleaser, which provides quite a contrast.  ... DS2 is easier to parent, plain and simple, and more enjoyable to be around. 

 

We seriously considered not having any more children b/c we questioned our ability to parent another one and dd.  But out came ds... sweet, caring, affectionate.  And we worry that we like him more- that he's going to be treated nicer b/c he simply doesn't require the same discipline.  Sounds like a lot of the same things are going on with both of us!

 

I don't know where I'm going with this or what I'm asking for.  ... I guess I'm just venting and wondering if anyone else has a child as difficult as mine and how you manage to keep it together and keep love in the forefront of the relationship and not show obvious favoritism.  I just feel tired, just emotionally exhausted and unable to get a long enough break to recharge.  And now I'm about to have another one ...

 

Uh huh... due in November with #3 and fearing how I will handle it all.  This pregnancy was not planned at all...  I feel exactly as you do- I need some empathy.  Too bad we can't get together IRL.  I bet our kids would have a blast together.  I can say that my #1 sanity saver is getting dd out of the house and I don't mean with me.  I mean, sending her to school or over to a neighbor's house.  I feel very fortunate that I found a school we could afford for two days a week and even more fortunate that our neighbor is awesome (she has 5 of her own) and often offers to have dd over to play with her 4.5 year old.  Older kids have always been a great influence on dd.  Honestly when it comes to kids like ours I think time away from them is essential.  It helps restore the relationship.  And there's the added bonus of dd learning to take instruction from a teacher and act appropriately in a classroom setting.  Guess what?  She's a total peach when she's not around me- she's a favorite in her class, beloved by all.


 

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post #11 of 17

You specifically said that you don't want advice, so I won't give you any.  I will just say that life doesn't have to be that way, so don't give up.  Good luck! 

post #12 of 17

I've been there. It's hard, even though it's not hard every single day. But the good news is that at least some of this is age. Age 3-4 can be really tough. 3 is just a really hard age in a lot of ways. And the pregnancy is not only hard on you, but is probably hard for your son too. 

 

For me and one of my kids, we have a pretty big mismatch in temperament. She's really intense, spirited, moody, stubborn, dramatic and overall needs way more of me than I seem to have the ability to give. She's an extrovert, I'm an introvert. She's a really challenging kid for me to parent. I never seem to have enough of the patience, creativity and energy required to parent her. And that's hard. I do think that how well the temperaments of parent and child mesh makes a difference. The good news is, imo, that if you recognize that then you can begin to create a strategy for coping with that-building on strengths (the ways in which you do mesh) and devising ways of improving upon the weaker areas. And, for me at least, understanding how we do and don't mesh also allowed me to be more forgiving toward myself (which is really important). 

 

We have been through the wringer with this particular child. I know it hasn't been much easier on her than it has been on us. If I had to pick some of the most helpful things we've done to keep our relationship with our child loving and healthy, they would be (in no particular order of importance):

 

1.  preschool/school. I cannot be everything this child needs. She needs more people and experiences in her life. She needs the structure of school. She has a greater need for interaction than I (and her dad) alone can fill. She needs her own places and activities where she can be successful and be her own person. We both need the break from each other. She started preschool when she was 4, and it was a wonderful thing for both of us.

 

2.  Special time, every day (or as many days per week as we can manage). This is 1-1 time. Just her and me. I'm talking as little as 10-20 minutes. She picks what we do, she takes the lead. I follow. This is time for our interactions to be totally positive. If something happens (say she engages in a behavior that's inappropriate) and we can't continue to interact completely positively, then we just end special time until the next day (but without making a big deal of it). This is time that helps us grow closer/remain close, time for us to simply enjoy each other. 

 

3.  Take care of yourself. Really, a parent can't give when their own cup is empty. It's important to find ways, even little ways, of recharging and caring for yourself every day. A few moments to look out  a window while sipping water. Mini-meditations to relax/calm yourself when things start getting tense. Five minutes to yourself when your partner is home. Things like that. Also, be realistic in your expectations of yourself, and don't beat yourself up for mistakes or imperfections. None of us is a perfect parent. That's okay. Kids are resilient. I am a much more patient, effective mother when I take care of myself. 

 

4.  Humor. You have to have smiles and laughter, especially during the times when that seems impossible. You and your child are in a relationship together, and relationships need joy. Sometimes we have to force the humor and joy, and the payoff is wonderful. No, humor isn't going to fix everything. But it does help everyone feel better and closer. Sometimes humor pulls us right out of a struggle. Sometimes it helps us reconnect afterward. In between the hard times it helps us stay close. Be stupid and goofy, wear underwear on your head as a hat. Humor is always there, we just need to remind ourselves to find it.

 

I know you've read a bazillion books (because you said so and because, having a difficult child myself, I have too), but I would like to recommend two more that have helped me enormously. The first is a really quick, easy read in a friendly tone: Time Out For Parents: A Guide to Compassionate Parenting by Cheri Huber. This is not a "how to discipline" book, it's a book about caring for ourselves so that we're able to be the compassionate parents we want to be. It's upbeat, and is one of the books I consider to have been most helpful to my journey as a parent. The second is a book called Liking the Child You Love: Build a Better Relationship With Your Kids-Even When They're Driving You Crazy by Jeffrey Bernstein. This one is about learning to think differently about our children's behaviors (so that we can be more calm and effective, and have a better relationship with our kids), which is something I've found tremendously helpful in parenting my kids. While this book is about working on changing how we parents think, I found it to be positive, realistic and *not* guilt-inducing. 

 

hug.gif And congratulations on the new little one about to join you!

 

 

 

post #13 of 17

scribble scribble taking notes furiously on all the management techniques that people have said - and I have a single amazingly good tempered guy at 3, much sweeter than I deserve for the low patience levels that I have...

 

But I want to respond to the echoes from our childhoods... this is the driving theme for me since motherhood hit like a ton of bricks.

YOU:  "The title of this post refers to the fact that I was the spirited older child and my younger brother was the more subdued people pleaser.  My mother very obviously preferred my brother and at some point just basically wrote me off emotionally and it damaged me irreparably for life.  I feel like I am starting down the same path and sadly am starting to sympathize with her position despite knowing what it did to me.  I don't think I was half as obnoxious as my DS1 is as a child but I know for a fact that I had not a people pleasing bone in my body and I see now why that is hard for a parent to deal with."

 

ME: this is all I think about sometimes. Not the exact nature of the echo but the fact of and danger of repeating our childhoods with our kids. For me, each developmental stage of my son's life has brought me such earth-shattering awareness of my sufferings at his age(s). And as soon as I identify what my suffering was, I judge it the way I was judged back then. Then I move into dismissal the way I was dismissed, and then I have to do it all over again the next day. Sheesh. 

 

My therapist tells me over and over that until I can fully move through the experience I had at 3, and the representations of my parents that I have absorbed from their reactions to me at that time, I will not be able to clearly distinguish what is really happening in present time. 

 

I just thought you might like to hear that perspective - the attitudes that you absorbed from your mother as she related to spirited little you are present, your wound from being "written off" is present, and now you've got this amazing little teacher with a whole new set of needs and demands. PLUS daily life, pregnancy, everyone else and laundry. (I really wonder how all mothers don't go totally and truly insane with all these demands...)

 

You might consider, in those moments when you feel your-mother-in-you getting ready to distance from him: take a pee break, and sit there by yourself with the intention of being compassionate to the little kid that you used to be, the one who got "written off." As you return to the conflict, try to hold on  - if not to any actual compassion for yourself - to at least the intention of compassion for yourself. He'll pick up on that at some level, even if you find yourself spouting awful mamaspeak at him 10 seconds later. Take care of yourself FIRST. Put your own oxygen mask on before helping others. It's soooo hard to do, but I think you must given all the demands that you are dealing with. 

 

Oh, good luck. It's so hard. I really feel it. I wish I could find my own darn oxygen mask at all...

 

post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks so much for all the compassionate, helpful responses!  I haven't checked this thread since I wrote it because I was afraid I would get flamed.  It is so helpful to know that I'm not the only one dealing with some of these issues.  Some of these replies brought tears to my eyes.  I really do love my son to pieces but it is so easy for life to get in the way, especially because I am a SAHM and have limited time away from my kids (maybe the grocery store on the weekend and a couple hours after they go to bed at night). 

 

The preschool suggestion is absolutely spot on -- I had come to that conclusion myself and so we will definitely be enrolling him in preschool this fall even though it is not an expense I had planned in our budget.  I think it will help both of us; having the time apart will help me recharge so I can deal with his peccadilloes more patiently, and he will have his need for outside stimulation met.  I can tell that he really has a need and desire to interact with other kids, and I think the structure of school, even just 3 days a week, will help him learn how to behave better than I can teach alone.  I used to think that we would be a homeschooling family, and I would revisit it later if he wants to, but I am positive now that I will send him to kindergarten at public school because I can see that, at least right now, he doesn't have the personality for homeschooling (and sadly, I'm not sure I do either).  I definitely think he is bored a lot and that is a huge part of the problem.  He's very smart and needs a place to direct his considerable energy and being in the late stages of pregnancy I have not been able to meet his needs as well as I would like. 

 

Again, thanks so much to everyone for your responses.  I really, really appreciate it.  We are still having our ups and downs, but I am really trying to get better ... sometimes having moments where I fail, but just trying to focus on compassion and putting myself in his shoes more often.  He has gotten very loving in the past few weeks "Mom, I love you" and "Dad, I love you" all the time.  He's always been so independent that I wasn't thinking that he might be anxious about the new baby -- he talks about him as though he is enthusiastic about it -- but maybe he is.  He plays really well with his brother sometimes, and then in a flash I have to be the referee again, but I guess that's normal for two brothers close in age (at least my DH tells me he and his brother were similar).  It's at least getting more equal in that the younger one is starting to be the instigator more often, lol. 

post #15 of 17

This is all really great advice.  My dd has always needed a routine and structure to be happy throughout the day as well and this a good reminder for me so thank you :)

 

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Originally Posted by D_McG View Post

Is he in preschool?

Things that helped us here:
*PRESCHOOL. (3 days a week including one 'long' day). DS was bored.
*Not repeating myself. Ideally we do one request and then a consequence. Maybe two requests if it's something casual. But hiding during dinner (for example) = bedtime. Might sounds kind of harsh but honestly we were ALL going mad from me being wishy washy about stuff.
*picky eating - I got help from an OT and we do 'food games' to help him be less afraid of new foods, etc. Before that though we instituted a ' no whining during dinner' rule. Whining = stay in room until after dinner.
*Dawdling at bedtime = no books. Dawdling 2 days in a row = no bedtime same time as his sister (instead of his extra 20 minutes).

Then structure, structure, structure during the day.

Basically I had to get us to a point where his behavior had immediate consequences. It REALLY improved his behavior and then we could start to have fun again. And then with that the behavior (a LOT of what you're talking about) basically went away b/c we were both happy and busy.

My DD is much calmer and needs fewer rules and structure. My son is more like me. Just a very busy head and really needs things black and white to get through his days. I am the same way.


 

post #16 of 17

I just thought of a post that I made for dd when she was 3, nearly 4. I was ready to sell her. You might find it amusing. And I grew up in a house where my mother understood (all too well -- I could never get anything past her) my very intense emotions. There is something about the age. Be gentle with yourself.

 

For Sale: One Gently Used 3 Year Old

post #17 of 17

Amazing. I can so, so relate. I have what I would consider a difficult child who will turn 4 next month. So much I can sympathize with, from the not listening, to sitting still, getting into things, the drama, the anger, the fear of turning into my mom (for me, that would mainly mean excessive yelling and criticism towards my child), the rude behavior to milder tempered little brother to feeling like a GD failure who's kid just does NOT follow "the books." So exhausting and frustrating. Love the little guy soooooo, so much, but it can be rough. Oh, and for me, often having *that kid* in playgroup when he is acting out (which, incidentally, can be often) and thinking parents of "easy kids" simply have no clue what its like. I imagined parenting my child in SUCH a different way. Hang in there. Luckily, our little guy seems to be in an "easier" phase right now.

 

I know a big trigger for my son is lack of sleep. He has always been a poor sleeper and almost always--since he was an infant--wakes up in a bad mood. I can't force him to sleep, but he seems to have a hard time calming his body. Or maybe food intolerances mixed with sleep deficit, being a preschooler and the way he is temperamentally wired just all coming together in this way. I dunno...(I certainly know I have a huge part in my responses to him as far as how he acts, as does my husband and other important adults in his life. That is obvious.)

 

Anyway, just commiseration.

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