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3.5 yr old resisting serious conversations with laughter

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Long time lurker on MDC. Something came up multiple times today, including at his small and sweet in-home Waldorf preschool. I need the collective wisdom of the gentle discipline board.

 

First, let me say that I know that 3.5 yrs old is too young to have empathy. That is clear to me. But, it unclear to me how to model empathy with my very spirited & only child (and boy) because he resists serious conversations with laughter.

 

Example #1: Kid takes the toilet paper and runs it under the sink while I am wiping a particularly messy poop. When I admonish - “M, we don’t put the toilet paper under the water because it ruins it and that is wasteful” – he laughs at me. It is that I’m-going-to-push-your-buttons laugh. Because this is an ongoing issue (the toilet paper thing), I tell him he needs to stop laughing and take this seriously or he will need to have a time-out. When he doesn’t, I follow up with a time out which basically consists of sitting on his bed for 2 minutes (and I will sit with him if he asks).

 

Example #2: Kid hits the dog on purpose, laughing. I separate him and institute a time-out. At the end of the time out, we talk about what went wrong. (I usually ask him to narrate the situation.) A lot of times he retells while laughing but I can tell it is a laugh of embarrassment.

 

Example #3: Preschool teacher tells me that he hit a girl (usually his best friend) with a train, causing her to cry. When the teacher admonished, he laughed. She wants me to help me emphasize to him not to laugh when people are crying. I asked if he was ‘naughty’ laughing or embarrassed laughing, but she couldn’t say. Her solution was to emphasize our ‘heavy hearts’ when he hurts our feelings and/or laughs at our feelings. We love his waldorf experience for a lot of things, but this is not one where we agree as we have always been VERY consistent about naming specific feelings (I feel sad because…; that little girl is angry because you have her toy).

 

So, the question is how do I teach him to stop laughing if he does it both to get a rise AND as an embarrassment coping mechanism. I should also add that the later probably comes, in part, because we use a lot of playful parenting techniques (and the time-outs are actually fairly rare – at most 2 times in a day but more often than not only a couple a week). Is this a losing battle with a 3.5 year old? Is there something you do in your house that works and why?

post #2 of 6

nak

 

Maybe you could try talking about how it sounds/seems when he does that.  Acknowledge that he feels he needs to laugh because x, but he could/should do y instead.

 

ds (almost 4) has gotten this new finger picking habit, especially when he's nervous.  We've been showing him that he can tap his fingers instead.  He isnt doing the other because he's bad, just because he needs to do something and it is his latest default.  So, we are helping him switch to an acceptable version.

post #3 of 6

My BIL is like that and he's 29!  He was in court one time and the judge was sooooo pissed because he was smiling/laughing the whole time. It wasn't because he thought it was funny, it's just what happens when he has to deal with intense things.  So it might not be something you can "change."  The behaviors (wetting toilet paper, hitting etc) can be addressed, but the laughing may be way harder to "change"

post #4 of 6

Exactly, in those cases it's not joyous laughter from thinking things are funny, it's hysterical laughter from being incredibly stressed. My dh told me about his favorite teacher leaving his afterschool program when he was a kid and he laughed for an hour straight. Later on, something happened with us and he did the same laughing and at first I was upset because he was laughing, then I gradually realized that it had a weird edge to it.

 

 

It's like how cats purr when they're content or when they're really freaked out.

post #5 of 6

DS used to do this.  I am not sure we did anything specific about it but he out grew it.

 

Just keep being consistent.  I did used to check "Do you think this funny?" and if he said yes, I explained why it was not.  If he said no I said "Then let's find a way to fix it." getting him off the shame and on to action always seemed to stop the nervous laughter in its tracks.

 

 

FWIW, I had to move the toilet paper and dole it out to him between ages 3.5 and 4.  About three months.  He just could not be trusted to have access to it.

post #6 of 6

My 3.5 year old does this too. I realize I do it as well!! When I am nervous, I smile.. I don't know why. But when my little guy started doing it when I was explaining things to him or asking him to stop unwanted behavior, it made me furious! Haha.. now I think he really can't help it, I will ignore the smiling and see what happens.

 

I think we just need to model that correct behavior and explain how it makes us/others feel. My 3.5 year old gets angry if he is crying and his 6 month old brother starting laughing. I explained to him that babies don't understand how other people feel, he just thinks you are making a silly face/sound.

 

I think you are right about children this age not getting empathy completely yet, but I do think my guy is starting to understand how his actions/reactions make others feel. Hopefully!

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