Originally Posted by Ldavis24
My generation grew up being told the only way you will succeed at all in this world is with a degree. Most of the kids I know who have their degrees now are pretty pissed off that they have a piece of paper, no awesome job to show for it and are now having to pay back student loans that will take them possibly decades to pay off. College is really not the be all end all of your life.
Agreed. A college degree isn't a guarantee of anything. Some people get into MASSIVE debt with no real plan. Getting a degree just so you can say you have a degree in hopes that someone will pay you a little more and give you dental insurance is a HUGE financial gamble.
I think it's a false sense of security for many parents and teens. Go to college (at any cost), behave and finish, and then everything will be easy.
But it's not true. It may be a little easier, it may open some doors, but it's not like when you finish they hand you the keys to the city.
Originally Posted by crunchy_mommy
I ended up skipping my senior year of high school & going to a state university. I'm not sure that was the best place for me but that was the only place that would accept me without a HS diploma. The intent was to transfer after my freshman year but that never happened. It's just as well, because somehow I got through college in one piece, and I'm glad at least that I don't have HUGE school loans like I would have if I'd gone elsewhere... OK I'm totally going off on a tangent here...
Yeah, part of the reason that my DD goes to a small private alternative school is because she is successful there. I don't know that she ever would have graduated from a traditional school. It makes planning more complicated -- she's successful in some situations, but not at all in others.
And I don't think the student loans issue is a tangent. If the reason we are all supposed to hope our kids go to college is even partly so they have more money, considering how much of that salary and for how many years will be going to payments is important.
I'm in my 40's, and back in the day, getting out with $10,000 in debt was considered a huge amount. Now, that's nothing.
DH and I really want our kids to get out of college without debt. It's a goal.
Originally Posted by cristeen
LotM - i recommend doing some reading on culinary programs. Most are not worth the money, and the experience can be gained w an apprenticeship. I know one of the local culinary (2yr) schools, which is a national name has become a laughing stock. Nobody local will touch a recent graduate anymore. This blog http://eggbeater.typepad.com/
has some good info on learning on the job.
Thanks for the link! I've been reading up, but am always happy to find more information. This isn't an area we didn't know anything about -- we are more the university types. She's already started her own cake decorating business, and when she is a little older we plan to arrange for her to work as an intern in a nice bakery or resort. We want to seek out guidance from people who know the field. It does seem like some culinary schools are more about a hobby program for housewives then really being a trade school.
But since she doesn't desire college, at least at this point, we would love for her to have the experience of picking a great school and going away to it. To have it as a coming of age experience.
Originally Posted by AllisonR
Regarding only Julliard; I'd advise her to apply to at least two other schools, as a backup plan. She can always go to the backup plan and apply again to Julliard the following year. Or in reverse: go to Julliard, decide to switch majors and switch schools. That year will NOT be a waste of education, or of life experience. She will not know if it is possible unless she tries. And if she doesn't try, she will ALWAYS wonder. ALWAYS. And sometimes we have to let them try, even if we are afraid they will get horribly hurt. Better to be hurt, then always be wondering something like that.
And sometimes they surprise us, and reach farther than we could imagine. I have a family friend who went there and is now a conductor in switzerland. Just saying, you never know.
I totally agree. I think that she should go for it. So much better to find out now than to always wonder. And if she doesn't get in, that's between her and school. If she does get in, it may mean that she really is good enough to make a living with music. It's such a selective program, if they believe in her, then I think that you can too.
Originally Posted by velochic
The fact is that not just I, but much of the world, considers a college education of any sort to be valuable. Trying to argue that the fact doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
Agreed -- this is just a true statement -- many people see a value in any degree.
I don't think that all college/university experiences are the same. Just reading through the post here and the different experiences people have had -- for some it is a defining point in their life, for some a total bust. For some it leads to meaningful work, for others it dead ends at Starbucks.
I want my kids to have the power to make REAL choices about their lives. I want them to have dreams and live with passion. College can be part of that, or not. It's their life, not mine.