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post #61 of 168

I dont know how my frugal tendecies make me a poverty tourist, this claim being made of a newer member. This forum was set up years ago, Velochic and myself of  the members who rallied for this forum. A lot of us have good incomes and savings but we choose to stretch our money resources for many reasons, poverty may or may not be part of it. Frugal does not equal poverty. I think when we started this forum, it was all of us swapping stories about stretching laundry detergent and cut down energy use, having pantry challenges. Then a few years later, the economy hit and now we have poverty tourists and poverty. Sadly a lot of the newer MDC members have a different take on the world than when I started my mothering journey.  

 

And yes, I agree that people who are living a natural family lifestyle are not going to be stockpiling tons and tons of the products the cameras showed these people having. I remember the first time viewing the show, DH and I are both stated, but why would we even buy most of those products???

 

As far as stockpilinng toilet paper, heck if you have the space to store it and its not piled all over your house like on the show, I am all for it. But when I have it crammed into my bedroom, the kids rooms etc and its interfering  with our living, no I draw the line. The person I was referiing to on the show had it all over the place. Her husband just kind of threw up his arms over the whole thing. Very sad.

post #62 of 168

I must admit...I've never even seen the show!  LOL.  We only have antenna, and we don't get it. 

 

But, I totally agree....if your stockpile is taking over your house, that's too much!  I do love, love, love a good deal.  It's just who I am, but over the years, I've learned to limit it.  Cause, you know, the sale WILL come again.  And if you are out of toilet paper and have to buy it at full price, it WILL be okay. 

This was one of my hardest lessons to learn.  I would go over budget, all with "good deals".  Sort of like how some debt is good debt.  I mean, yes, there is a point there, but all debt IS debt, right?  So, in the same way, good deals are awesome.  But, when you are at the end of your budget, you gotta stop, good deal or no.  Which means my money is stretching farther than it has before, and we're able to accomplish some goals we didn't think possible.  Much better than the thrill of a good deal. 

 

I need to go over to my mom's house, just to watch the show, though.  wink1.gif

post #63 of 168

I don't think it's fair to call anyone a poverty tourist. Times are tough all over, and even those with adequate incomes are worried about the future. Just b/c people have enough to get them through the month doesn't mean they're not concerned about their retirement or their mortgage or their plans to send their kids to school. Some of us have special needs kids who will need specialized education that costs a lot of money. Should we give that plan up just b/c we "can afford" to put our money into day-to-day living, or should we find ways to live much more frugally, so that we CAN save for our kids' futures, whether that's medical bills to come, special schooling, or just college and a wedding? Who cares where that money is going? Isn't it nice to see people thinking about what they're spending their hard-earned money on, rather than throwing it away, regardless of whether they're "poor?" This isn't a poverty forum. It's Frugality and Finances. Everyone could do to remember those two thing apply to nearly everyone, regardless of income.

post #64 of 168
Thread Starter 

Yay!  A fight where everyone feels personally attacked and thus feels the need to justify their own choices!  This was exactly what I wanted when I started the thread!

post #65 of 168

Big fat word on the frugal does not equal poverty.

 

How do you think most wealthy people end up wealthy?

 

We scrimp and pinch and count pennies despite having pretty significant net worth. We don't do it for "fun," we do it because we have goals of early retirement, second home-ownership, leaving inheritence to our children, etc., etc.  Being frugal is lifestyle choice. When we were poor it wasn't a choice, but now it's what we're used to. Blowing our savings or spending without care because we "can" isn't even a consideration.

 

eta: LOL Galatea.

 

As I said in the previous discussion of this show....tried the coupon thing....didn't find much that fit our food needs.

post #66 of 168
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Originally Posted by HeatherAtHome View Post
I swear I'm being honest here. There's so much focus on coupons in the US that I really don't know if you have regular sales where the price is just cheaper. bag.gif


Yeah, but if you get something on sale AND use a coupon, that's where the payoff happens.  You have a $3 item on sale for $2.50.  You have a $1 off coupon, and the store doubles it, so you get $2 off.  So you get the $3 item for $.50  And sometimes you can get stuff like that.  

 

I'm not a couponer but my mother could be on this show.  She has a coupon filing system and three flat boxes (like letter sized) with coupons filed by type in envelopes - she has them standing up like file folders.  She gets stuff for free, and sometimes the coupon/sale combo works out so well that she actually makes money on what she bought.  Coupons are very time consuming but if you work it, you can save a lot of money.  

post #67 of 168
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How do you think most wealthy people end up wealthy?

 


Exactly!

 

While I find the term somewhat amusing I have to disagree with the "poverty tourist" also. Part of the definition of the word frugal is also being economical (i.e. not wasteful) and that is something a lot of people strive for regardless of income level. We are not poor. We do buy as much organic produce and meat that we can manage (though I'll admit I have never spent $15 on a gallon of milk... organic meat tends to be our biggest ticket item.) We budget for it every month and scale down other areas of our life to be able to do this. Food is a priority for us. But it's not necessarily a priority for others which is fine (and I do get that some people just plain can't make it a priority.) We live below our means because we have a set of financial goals for our life we are trying to achieve and I hang out here to learn from all the financially savvy mamas (like velochic) not for the "novelty" of saving. lol.gif I can completely credit this forum and what I've learned here for the fact that DH and I have zero debt.

 

 

On topic: We use some coupons (definitely not on the level of that show though!) but seldom do I find any for fresh produce and whole foods. We usually find for the organic dairy products we get (and my almond milk) but most of the coupons we use are for toiletry items like DH's shaving stuff and deodorant, Toms of Maine toothpaste, toilet paper, feminine products etc.

 

 

post #68 of 168

My xtreme coupon story from co op.  I bought a bottle of expensive lotion that was about 80.00 regular price.  It was 25 % off I used my 5.00 off any purchase over 25.00 and 10% off entire purchase coupon.  My membership at my local coop give me 10 5.00 off coupons and 2 10% off entire purchase per year.  AND 2% back everyyear last year about 75.00!  These are real coupons for real food!

post #69 of 168

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and I do get that some people just plain can't make it a priority.


That was really the point I was trying to make.  I think the thread was making people who can't prioritize grass fed beef feel like they had to justify their choices, and that's not cool.  

 

I do agree that frugality is not just about not having money.  It's about being smart with the money that you do have.  

 

post #70 of 168
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I hear you.  People who spend $15 on a gallon of raw milk and are on the Frugal Forum - are just poverty tourists.

 

This ISN'T the "Frugal" forum.  It's Frugality and FINANCES.  It's just as appropriate to come here and say, "Hey, my net worth is up to $1 million and I'm wondering if I should start gifting some of this to my kids to avoid inheritance taxes."  This forum isn't for people who can't make ends meet, only.  It's for anyone who, within the scope of NATURAL FAMILY LIVING want to discuss money issues, whether that is for those that are struggling or those that are thriving financially.  This is how it's been for ALMOST A DECADE.  Things haven't changed since you showed up 5 months ago and they're not going to change now.  If you want to use the term "poverty tourist" for those that have an adequate amount of income, but still adhere to the NFL way of being economical, then I'd say someone who is coming to a sustainable, natural family living site to promote shady ways to obtain large amounts of commercialized, processed foods could be considered a troll.  (And I'm not referring to anyone who uses coupons responsibly like some people have mentioned here.  I'm talking about *extreme* couponing.)

post #71 of 168

I have been coming to MDC for 7 years (on and off) and this is by far my favorite board....my family is not poor any more (though we were OFFICIALLY 7 years ago when I started here) and I feel like the tips and support I received here helped us to improve our quality of life dramatically. That being said there are all sorts of things that we would spend money on if we had more money and I know all sorts of things we are blessed to have the opportunity to spend money on that we couldn't 7 years ago.

 

Everyone is trying to keep the resources they have for the things their families need and prioritize how to spend their limited resources - I think that eveyrone on here probably has limited resources compared to everything they want for their children which is why these discussions can be difficult. 

 

I think it is a great group and there is an amazing wealth of knowledge - we probably shouldn't get bogged down in the different ways we are trying to make our children's lives better - just be glad to have a group that helps us to achieve that goal.

 

 

post #72 of 168
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Originally Posted by HeatherAtHome View Post

Poverty tourist! ROTFLMAO.gif

 

Ok, question. I'm in Canada and I don't care what anyone says we don't have this sort of couponing going on here. (Sure, you can get the odd coupon through the store or from a product company but it's not widespread. )

 

A good part of it is because instead of using COUPONS our food just goes on sale. Does that not happen in the US? It's like having coupons without the hassle of clipping. I'm being serious. Honestly. For all you who mention that the "good food" never has coupons.... well that's because it goes on sale. So sure, you can't double and triple it up with coupons to get something free, but you're eating healthy food at a lower cost. I'm talking fruits, veggies, meat, etc. 

 

I swear I'm being honest here. There's so much focus on coupons in the US that I really don't know if you have regular sales where the price is just cheaper. bag.gif


I've actually wondered about that, too. And, what about store cards/loyalty cards? One of our local stores puts out their flyer every week. There are coupons (I use a few, but not many - they do have some for cereal, plain yogurt, etc.), but there are also lots of price announcements, and many of them are only for card holders. So, I get grapes for $1.89/lb, but a non card holder gets them for $2.99 (or more)/lb. - things like that. There are also BOGO offers, some of which are coupon, but many of them are automatically applied if you have a store card.

 

I tend to slightly overstock my pantry. I think it comes from years of living on the edge with my ex. Now that dh is making a decent salary, I see a good deal on things, and I can buy them, so I do. But, I only buy things we actually use, and most of it fits in our very small pantry - we may have to keep an occasional jug of vinegar or bag of flour somewhere else, but we don't have things stashed all over the house.

 

I like being stocked up on toilet paper. I seem to have an irrational fear of running out. But, I only keep us stocked by one full pack at most. We simply don't have the space to store a whole bunch of it. I like to grab it when it's $7.00/30 roll pack, instead of $12.00/pack. (I keep meaning to switch at least partly to family cloth, but I never get organized - find containers for used ones, assign a place to put them, etc. - to actually do it.)

 

I can kind of understand the urge to do extreme couponing and massively overstockpile, but it's definitely not the way I want to live. We have too much crap as it is - don't need 100 bottles of ketchup under my bed!

post #73 of 168
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Originally Posted by MsFortune View Post


Yeah, but if you get something on sale AND use a coupon, that's where the payoff happens.  You have a $3 item on sale for $2.50.  You have a $1 off coupon, and the store doubles it, so you get $2 off.  So you get the $3 item for $.50  And sometimes you can get stuff like that.  


This is one of the big differences between the US and Canada. I have a friend in the US who coupons quite a bit. She mentioned "doubles" a few times, and I finally asked her what on earth she was talking about. That just isn't done around here. The coupon face value is the coupon value - end of story - no doubling. I haven't checked recently, and another poster indicated that it's changes, but last time I looked, none of our coupons could be combined, or used on sale items, either. If an item was on sale, there were no coupons. (Oh - one local store does do deals where you can buy say five boxes of cereal and get extra store points, and then that brand will be on sale, as well. This is when we tend to end up with five boxes of Cheerios and stuff like that.)

 

post #74 of 168
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Originally Posted by velochic View Post
"I'd say someone who is coming to a sustainable, natural family living site to promote shady ways to obtain large amounts of commercialized, processed foods could be considered a troll.  (And I'm not referring to anyone who uses coupons responsibly like some people have mentioned here.  I'm talking about *extreme* couponing.)"


Are you referring to me?  Because wow.  That's so not what happened.  

 

I'd say someone who tried to make people who do use coupons and have financial constraints feel badly about their lifestyle is...  maybe not a troll.

 

post #75 of 168
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Are you referring to me?  Because wow.  That's so not what happened.  

 

I'd say someone who tried to make people who do use coupons and have financial constraints feel badly about their lifestyle is...  maybe not a troll.

 



I don't think anyone was trying to make anyone else feel bad about their lifestyle.  We were talking about the show.  Frankly I found your statements a bit more offensive.  I felt like to were targeting people here at the F & F board as being "poverty tourist" when that isn't fair or an accurate description of what this board is about.  I don't know why you said that or where it came from.  I think that's where the reactions came from.

post #76 of 168

Velochic, I don't think anyone is endorsing the show. I know I'm not. I've never even seen the darn thing, though I've heard of people who use coupons that way. I was responding to your statement that anyone who believes in sustainable living can't possibly use more than a random coupon here or there. There is more of a middle ground that that. 

 

I'm off to CVS today to use my 30% coupon and my ExtraCare buck and my $2 Huggies coupon, not because I don't believe in sustainable living, but because my daycare provider doesn't want to use cloth. 

post #77 of 168
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Are you referring to me?  Because wow.  That's so not what happened.  

 

I'd say someone who tried to make people who do use coupons and have financial constraints feel badly about their lifestyle is...  maybe not a troll.

 

 

Yes, I am.  You were the one who used the term "poverty tourist".  You're putting down one group to make another feel better?  That doesn't make anyone feel better, it just stirs things up.  Using those kinds of derogatory terms seems to me that you are trying to make people feel like, if they have money to spare, that they have no business on a FINANCIAL forum.  You've been here 5 months, and it makes one speculate that your purpose is not to unite, but to divide (which is what a troll does... just stir the pot).  It doesn't matter what your financial situation is, nobody should be called a "poverty tourist" because they're here to get ideas.  If the only people who are here are the ones who can't make ends meet and don't know how to dig their way out, then it's a pretty sad excuse for exchanging ideas.

post #78 of 168
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Velochic, I don't think anyone is endorsing the show. I know I'm not. I've never even seen the darn thing, though I've heard of people who use coupons that way. I was responding to your statement that anyone who believes in sustainable living can't possibly use more than a random coupon here or there. There is more of a middle ground that that. 

 

I'm off to CVS today to use my 30% coupon and my ExtraCare buck and my $2 Huggies coupon, not because I don't believe in sustainable living, but because my daycare provider doesn't want to use cloth. 


I don't think anyone is endorsing it either.  I also don't think anyone (me, included) is saying that if you are going to buy something and you have a coupon for it, you shouldn't use the coupon.  I'm talking about calling people "poverty tourists".  Calling someone who doesn't use coupons (because they've found their own sustainable reality) a "poverty tourist"... is that not insulting? I think it is... in fact the purpose of the statement was to make people who can afford $15 raw milk feel like they don't "belong" here.  My post was a reminder that we're not all here to just discuss being frugal... it's also to discuss FINANCES in general, which means rich and poor both come here for dialog and nobody deserves to be called names for it... and that everyone had different priorities.

post #79 of 168
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This is one of the big differences between the US and Canada. I have a friend in the US who coupons quite a bit. She mentioned "doubles" a few times, and I finally asked her what on earth she was talking about. That just isn't done around here. The coupon face value is the coupon value - end of story - no doubling. I haven't checked recently, and another poster indicated that it's changes, but last time I looked, none of our coupons could be combined, or used on sale items, either. If an item was on sale, there were no coupons. (Oh - one local store does do deals where you can buy say five boxes of cereal and get extra store points, and then that brand will be on sale, as well. This is when we tend to end up with five boxes of Cheerios and stuff like that.)

 


Yep, that's definitely different. We have loyalty cards and coupons that can be used together and with store sales. In fact, my supermarket does Super Doubles (doubling coupons with a face value of up to $1.99) and has Triple Coupons a few times a year (like this week.) And accepts (but doesn't multiply) other store's coupons (like the ones that Whole Foods gives out.)

 

post #80 of 168
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This is one of the big differences between the US and Canada. I have a friend in the US who coupons quite a bit. She mentioned "doubles" a few times, and I finally asked her what on earth she was talking about. That just isn't done around here. The coupon face value is the coupon value - end of story - no doubling. I haven't checked recently, and another poster indicated that it's changes, but last time I looked, none of our coupons could be combined, or used on sale items, either. If an item was on sale, there were no coupons. (Oh - one local store does do deals where you can buy say five boxes of cereal and get extra store points, and then that brand will be on sale, as well. This is when we tend to end up with five boxes of Cheerios and stuff like that.)

 



Yup, there are laws against that here. Go Canada! I've lived in both countries, and my life keeps me kind of straddling the border, as it were, and this is one of my huge pet peeves. Not only is Canada inexplicably more (and like, a lot more) expensive for exactly the same items (even at the same stores!), the sales & discount methods aren't as good either. *Shrug*

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