I need help with interpretation.. PLZ!

[xxkayluhh07xx]

Hi, I been TTC for #2 for about 6 months now... I just started charting this month and im currently 9DPO not due to start AF until 16DPO.. 

From 6DPO-8DPO my cervix was very high[almost couldnt reach] and soft and closed[slightly open but i put closed because i had a rather LARGE child come thru there 2 1/2 years ago] today I am 9DPO and my cervix has lowered some but still soft and still feels the same amount of closed.. and everyday my creamy CM just keeps getting creamier and more abundant.. Im also experienceing headaches and a running noise since yesterday.. and my vulva and the area around my "down there" is purple(?) odd lol and ive had some odd cramping on 5&6DPO and 7&8DPO... 

triphastic chart?????

My charts are posted in my other posts on pg. 2.. look for the most recent ones... 

Edited by xxkayluhh07xx - 5/25/11 at 11:11am

[Jaimee]

I hope it's not annoying that it's always me answering your posts!  With this m/s I'm pretty much stuck on my couch for most of the day.

But I wanted to say that IME your cervix is probably not the best indicator of pregnancy b/c you haven't been tracking changes until just now.  In order to tell the subtle differences between a post-ovulation cervix and a pregnant cervix you really would need to know your cervix well.  Often a pregnant cervix is described as firm, but slightly velvety and, as you approach the end of your LP, the cervical os should be firmly closed vs slightly open to allow menstruation to occur.  It will also change color from pinkish to purplish, but this is difficult to see on your own!

The increase in CF, head aches, purple vulva, as well as the cramping on 6-8 DPO are all more indicative of pregnancy.  You should know soon enough!

As for your period being due on 16 DPO... that would be a very long LP.  While it's possible, it's not likely that your LP is 16 days long.  Since this is your first chart this is the first time that you have confirmed your ovulation day in order to actually know how long your LP typically is.  It is more likely that your LP is 12-14 days long, so I would assume that you could successfully test in just a few days.  Depending on when implantation occurred (from your cramping it could have been as early as 6 DPO) you could get a positive test tomorrow or today even (with concentrated urine and a sensitive pregnancy test).  Of course, waiting longer is always more accurate, but also harder! 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

no its not annoying hahaha.. atleast your answering them =P... I did a re evaluation of my temps .. because some of my temps were taken wayyy later than my normal time.. i used a BBT adjuster on whenmybaby . com .... i only altered one main temperature.. on 6DPO i woke up WAYYY later. 2pm actually.. lol i usually take mine around 9am on the dot.. sooo i used the lil calculator thing and adjusted it because it just looked way to out of the ordinary for it.. and it looks like a big implantation dip  now.. and my chart looks triphastic since i did it

[Jaimee]

I'm saying this just b/c you're new to charting, not b/c it's necessarily true for your body and your chart.  I don't mean to come off sounding harsh, either, so I hope it doesn't seem that way....

Adjusting temps is generally not recommended.  Again since you're new to charting you don't really know how your body reacts to differences in temp taking time.  Some women are hardly affected at all and others are greatly affected.  So you can't necessarily just use a generic adjustment to fix up a temp that seems off.  What is considered correct charting technique is to mark the time the temp was taken or omit it completely. 

Now it is certainly possible that you have an implantation dip on 6 DPO- I'm not negating that, but it's also possible that you don't b/c it's pretty unlikely that you would get that much difference in temp.  I know some books mention as much as a 0.1 degree shift per hour difference, but that has never been the case for me.

And, generally a triphasic chart jumps up after implantation and stays up there.  You've got some pretty erratic temps going on, so to me it doesn't look triphasic at this point.

All that being said, none of this makes the likelihood of pregnancy less at all at this point, I'm just cautioning you against seeing things that might not be there and then being (possibly) disappointed.  I hope THIS is not annoying to hear!  

[xxkayluhh07xx]

No your not harsh at all haha.. I perfer honestly.. Im trying my hardest to not get my hopes up [which this month im doing good at not getting my hopes up] last month was the worst i had sore boobs which ive NEVER had except for after childbirth.. so i was like omg im preg.. then found out i wasnt and was really disappointed.. then thats when i found out about charting so i started this month with the intention of yes TTC, but also to find out my cycle.. because mines messed up and ive had unprotected sex for well over a yr.. but ive been TTCINg for id say 6 month.. this month was the only month i think i accurately timed the intercourse for ovulation.. so thats why im kinda excited.. im just waiting.. i hate waiting tho LOL!!!! im so impatient.. id be extremely happy if i was.. but if im not then i have next month to chart so ill know more about my cycle.. 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

**JAMIEE IM IN NEED OF YOUR ANNOYING ASSISTENCE AGAIN***

hehe jk ur not annoying.. but anyways.. so ive only been charting my CP for 4 days now[i know its not real important but i check it 4 times a day at the same time every day.. ive been doing that these 4 days... im going to give yu some kina detail[TMI LOL] and ask if i should alter my chart... now that i know exactly what im feeling now .. [or atleast better than these past 3 days]

so day 1 of charting CP: cervix in high position, felt like my lips puckered, n was closed lil bit of creamy think CM[very lotiony]

day 2: same as above

day 3:same as above until 10pm i checked it bcuz i notcied alot of cramping down in that general area so i checked it.. and i noticed a huge difference in the height.. it was lower but still closed n felt like lips

day 4[today] woke up at 9am did my temp n CP like usual.. it was the same as last night.. now ive been having the same cramps i did yesterday today but slightly worse n off n on.. so i went n just now checked it again.. and its EXTREMELY high now and even "softer" puckered lips and even more closed than it felt before.... 

so whats ur take on that? should i alter my chart?

and also whats ur opinion on what that could b lol

so im probably annoying you haha

and alter i mean by the CP for day 1 n 2 change to positon medium, softness medium, and openess medium.. because right now and im going to continue checking buts its WAY higher and WAY softer lips and WAY more closed lol

o n i 4got to mention the creamy/lotioness got more abundant each day.. theres ALOt right now

it keeps feeln like AF came cuz like sometimes i feel like a lil bubble or sumthing like wen AF appears.. thats been happening yesterday n today

[Jaimee]

  Here I am!! 

I would note on your chart exactly what you're feeling so that you can use this information to compare to in future cycles (if necessary).  I would definitely note that your cervix higher and more closed today.  That is interesting information b/c a pregnant cervix is going to be closed and I know mine tends to tuck itself up there when I'm pregnant.  The extra creamy CF is also a good sign.  So overall, you've got some good signs that a BFP is approaching instead of AF.  But, of course, this is not an absolute science. 

If I were feeling how you are feeling right now, I would drive to the nearest dollar store and pick up a bunch of HPT's.  I would start testing every morning with FMU and go from there.  You're far enough into your LP that you just might get what you're looking for tomorrow morning. 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

yes, i just got back from walmart actually hahaha i bought two hpts.. the best .. first response 6 days sooner ones.. haha.. but yes that is how it feels today like "tucked" in cuz like normally it was like up there but like the tip of the cervix felt more like how do i put it... like facing downward.. now it feels like its more tucked up there and facing upward .. i dont know how to explain it.. but "tucked" does explain it.. and i had weird back pain and side pain both on the left sides while walking around walmart lol... its prolly just me imaging things but i "think" i felt it haha.. also like i keep feeling like i have to pee reallllly bad n then wen i go pee like barely comes out.. which is a sign of a UTI cuz io had them my first pregnancy so i dno!!! i hope i am ill be excited =P

[xxkayluhh07xx]

my cervix is low again like it was last night before it shot up... =[ im kina getn my hopes down... kina crampy tho its weird tho.. like its more of a pressure feeliing in my butt[lol]/lower back and ovary area.... dull pain.. more when im sitting... but my cervix lowered .. so i think im gna get a BFN this month =[

[Jaimee]

Temp still high?  Didn't test this morning?

[xxkayluhh07xx]

Hey sorry it took me so long to post an update i took my temp this morning around 10.. [i usually temp around 9] and i went back to sleep and just now woke up at 4 omg!!! LOL wow.. my cervix is really smooth feeling now n i cant even like feel a slit like i did before... no more lips.. i guess it does feel kina like my nose... and its not as high.. creamy CM still abundant tho.. and i woke up with a bad headache... i still have it... Im beginning to lose hope =[ 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

wow..uhmm i read something last night about your cervix changing thru out the day while preggers.. so i dno but i do know that i just checked my cervix like 20 mins ago n it was the hardness like i described above.. now for some reason[cuz i felt cramping mainly] i just checked my cervix again and guess what.. super high and closed lips again.. excuse me but WTF IS GOING ON LOL!!!!!

[Jaimee]

I would stop checking your CP... it's really not going to do much but drive you crazy!    As all things charting, you need to check your CP at the same time each day to compare.  So comparing morning and night CP is not really helpful.  Definitely TEST!!!! 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

you make me feel so much better because yes once again its lower soft n closed lol... but my temp is still up n i still feel bloated and stuff and even MORE CM !!! the only reason ive refrained from testing for a few days is because i know with my last pregnancy it took me awhile to test positive... like my first blood test was negative lol.. but like i knew i was pregnant then .. i had a missed period n everything n everyone thought i was crazy til finally i got positives lol! but im thinking about testing in the morning.. just for like your opinion have yu seen peoples ovulatory like this?? like staying up this high and stuff??

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by xxkayluhh07xx 

just for like your opinion have yu seen peoples ovulatory like this?? like staying up this high and stuff??

What do you mean exactly?  Are you referring to your LP temps?  Your temps actually aren't particularly high.  A lot of women are in the mid 98's during their LP's.  Or do you mean something else?

Ah now I get why you haven't tested.  So you're one of those rare women that fails blood tests!  Well, I can understand not wanting to get false negatives.  In your case then charting is the best pregnancy test ever!  If you get BFN's but your temps remain high for 18 days you are almost certainly pregnant. 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

hey i updated my chart.. BFN this morning this first morning urine.. also my temps are low pre-o... they r in the 96's... im suspecting like some hypothyroidism or something or the nature.. if my car didnt blow up yesterday id be getting the blood work done for it right now... yeahh it literallyblew up yesterday... like not even fixable well not worth it at least.. it blew EVERYTHING!!! ughhh.. so ANYWAYS LOL yeahh my post o temps are prolly lower due to that fact..my pre o temps are low... .. but im so angry i gta BFN today.. but my temp is still high and i have alot of cramp last night.. felt like round ligament pain.. 

[Jaimee]

Low temps can be a sign of hypothyroidism.  Do you have any other symptoms to suspect it though?  Otherwise there are plenty of women that have temps in the low 97's and high 96's pre-O.  You fluctuate a lot, though... not sure if that's typical of hypothyroidism or not.

Sorry about the BFN, but at least you were prepared for it.  Just keep temping and counting days!  At least your temps are staying well above the coverline! 

[xxkayluhh07xx]

Im not sure thats why its so hard for me to tell anything because my normal "symptoms" of pregnancy have been kind of an everyday thing for me since i gave child birth.. i also have major depressive disorder, and generalized anxiety with a lil bit of panic disorder.. Im not on anything for it... but like besides all that.. i always get light headed when i stand to fast.. or just standing up in general.. my head always hurts.. but its been hurting worse.. i also have like a sinus infection.. but i have absolutely no allergies.. and i hardly ever get sick .. but who knows lol.. and my stomach always hurts..and i ALWAYS feel nausous if i dont eat and sometimes even after i eat.. so its so hard to tell.. and my sleeping habits suck.. me and DH have been having problems going to be early.. and honestluy i couldnt get to sleep until like 7am last night.. bad bad bad.. If i dont get a BFP this month atleast all have a full months charting to look at in the future lol

[xxkayluhh07xx]

i should be starting AF like in the middle of the week tho... so im gna find out soon!

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by xxkayluhh07xx 

.. and my sleeping habits suck.. me and DH have been having problems going to be early.. and honestluy i couldnt get to sleep until like 7am last night.. bad bad bad..

Well, this is probably why your temps fluctuate so much!  If you manage to get your sleeping onto a more normal schedule you would likely see a clearer biphasic pattern.  How do you survive on that type of schedule with a little one around?!  These days I'm in bed with ds when he falls asleep around 9:30pm!