Thought I had made up my mind... - Page 2

[A&A]

The worst problem the average intact boy will ever  have is that someone thinks he has a problem. 

[jenP]

Originally Posted by A&A 

The worst problem the average intact boy will ever  have is that someone thinks he has a problem. 

I know a man in his mid-twenties, intact. He said that when he was growing up, EVERY TIME he went to the pediatrician, be it for routine vaccinations, pinkeye treatment, school physical, etc. - never for anything penis related because he never had a problem with his penis - the doctor would tell his mother how he HAD to be circumcised for one reason or another. She ignored the doctor. My friend NEVER has had a problem with his intact penis and in fact he and his wife like it very much.
 

[hakunangovi]

Jen,  your friend's experience just goes to show how brainwashed and incapabable of rational thought many of our doctor's are when it comes to the intact penis!! 

[JollyGG]

Originally Posted by tammylsmith 

By the way. how many cases of botched circs (too much/too little taken) and re-dos do you know of? I can think of 3 in my close circle of friends. Complications from the circ are more common than people realize at first. My pediatrician said she sees far more problems with circumcised boys who's foreskin remnants get stuck back... a dangerous and painful state called paraphimosis. She says in all her years of practice, she's never seen 1 problem with an intact boy.

I can think of two circumcision issues in boys I personally know. I can think of one uncircumcised boy who circumcision was recommended for, however the circumcision was delayed due to other health issues and the issues that supposedly necessitated circumcising resolved itself and he's still intact. Now admittedly I live in a high circ area so I simply know more circumcised than intact males.

Edited by JollyGG - 7/23/11 at 11:05am

[jenP]

Originally Posted by hakunangovi 

Jen,  your friend's experience just goes to show how brainwashed and incapabable of rational thought many of our doctor's are when it comes to the intact penis!! 

  Yep. They see a foreskin and automatically see trouble - where there is none! THAT'S what gives me pause when you hear people deciding to have their newborn circumcised because "we know SO MANY boys who HAD TO have it done later." You just have to wonder how many of those boys who "had to" be circumcised ACTUALLY had to be. I'm thinking the number is extremely close to zero!

[hakunangovi]

Originally Posted by jenP 

  Yep. They see a foreskin and automatically see trouble - where there is none! THAT'S what gives me pause when you hear people deciding to have their newborn circumcised because "we know SO MANY boys who HAD TO have it done later." You just have to wonder how many of those boys who "had to" be circumcised ACTUALLY had to be. I'm thinking the number is extremely close to zero!

Jen, you are qute correct - the number is close to zero.  In Edward Wallerstein's book "Circumcision - An american health fallacy" he states that in Finland only one man in 16,667 will die without his foreskin. 

[Filiz Dolar]

I was also pro cric until I researched about the "Health Benefits" and I came to realize something.  An intact penis shares many similarities with a vagina.  

Ladies, we get yeast infections, BV, UTIs, etc... does that mean we should chop off our vag??? Of course not!!! But this seems to be the train of thought with the "Problems" with an intact male.  

I personally, think it's dumb and backwards!  Of course we wouldnt get BV, yeast infections, or UTIs if we didnt have the body part! how silly.

[chaoticzenmom]

I had a ped who wanted to circ my 2yo son because of "complications" of being intact.  The complication was that his foreskin didn't retract.  What she apparently didn't know was that it wasn't meant to retract until close to puberty.  Luckily, my husband is french and intact is completely normal for him and he knew better.  I have 3 boys and have had no issues besides that one dr. who was quickly and easily "cut" from our lives;) 

[mare54]

Your son's will thank you for not altering their bodies.... and if not, they will have the choice to circ themselves when they are old enough to make such an important decision.  That is really the point, isn't it?  Respecting their right to "decide"..... you can't go wrong with that decision.  Eventually your husband will understand too and be grateful his wife was so insightful, even though it might not be tomorrow!  Good  for you!

[Filiz Dolar]

Yes I think that is the most important part, the ability for them to decide.  It's not fair for us to make a permanent decision like that for them.

[Polly Intactly]

If he was blind, would he also cut out his baby eyes?

If he was deaf, would he cut out his baby's eardrums?

If he was an amputee, would he cut off his baby's limbs?

If he was a mute, would he cut out his baby tongue?

If he was "dumb" would he cut out his baby's brain?

If he was burnt in a fire, would he burn his baby and scar him the same?

My god! what kind of an argument is male genital mutilation ... is the "to look like me?"

[serendipity22]

Apparently the number of circs being redone (in the US) has greatly increased recently.

The most likely way to "need" a circumcision (again) is to be circumcised already!

Its worth pointing out the only country in the World that circumcises majority (if that) of its infants for non-religious reasons is the USA.

Most of the World are not overwhelmed by foreskin problems, they do just fine.

In the English speaking countries which adopted circumcision during the Victorian era, there have been huge drops in the rates, except for the US.

[Storm Bride]

Originally Posted by serendipity22 

Most of the World are not overwhelmed by foreskin problems, they do just fine.

I've never heard of anyone having a "foreskin problem", irl. I hear a lot of old stories about "so-and-so needed a circ, because of [fill in problem here]", but that's about it. And, I'm more convinced every day that those problems were caused almost entirely by the insane advice to force back the foreskin for "cleaning". I have to be honest. These forums boggle me, and when I read the advice so many moms get from their doctors in the US, I'm amazed that any males make it to puberty with their foreskins intact. It says a lot for their moms that it happens, but it makes me sick that doctors (and husbands) pile so much unnecessary pressure and stress on moms!