Another One Bites the Dust.....Autism/Vaccine Research - Page 2

[Jane93]

I will note, as for me, I prefer my medical professionals to be giving me medical advice based on the most current, quality research in their applicable areas of specialization. 

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by Jane93 

I will note, as for me, I prefer my medical professionals to be giving me medical advice based on the most current, quality research in their applicable areas of specialization. 

I would too. I would listen to my naturopath first and my conventional medicine doctor second, so we obviously can agree to disagree here on this issue.

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by Jane93 

I feel pretty sure that claims about the vax/autism link will, at some point in the future, be thought of the way we think about those (historically) who believed the earth was flat.  A quaint example of ignorance. 

I do find this interesting, however.  Are you saying those parents, who have seen with their own eyes their children regress and start showing symptoms of autism after vaccinations, are delusional or frauds, or "ignorant"?

[Lollybrat]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

CDC Autism Researcher Indicted for Fraud!!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/22/cdc-autism-researcher-indicted-for-fraud.aspx

Tee-hee.

Why the "Tee-hee"?  If you are truly interested in objective research why do you find it amusing that ANY researcher embezzled money or engaged in a behavior that could be seen as compromising the research?  Lots of families have scarce resources but make it a priority to donate hard-earned money to organizations that give grants for autism research. Why do you find it funny if this money was stolen?

[BeckyBird]

I'm the bad guy because I said tee-hee. Let's give Thorsen a pass though.

This is an example of Infighting. The issue is Thorsen , his dishonesty, and his lack of credibility. The issue is not about the "tee-hee". You can ignore the "tee-hee" part if you don't like it.

[Jane93]

I don't think there is any one answer for all families.

I think people can refuse to acknowledge an issue that was apparent prior to vax -- for example, I know a family where their child has SPD, but the parents refused to accept the issue for over year after it was first brought to their attention. 

I think some issues also are not apparent early on, and would have developed regardless of vax or not, but the timing of the vaccination and diagnosis can make it look like causation.

I also think it can be very powerful to have someone else suggest -- "well, the issues didn't start till AFTER your child was vaccinated, right?"  Memory is not infalliable.  It can be a flexible thing, and I think people with the best of intentions can misremember.

[Lollybrat]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

I'm the bad guy because I said tee-hee. Let's give Thorsen a pass though.

This is an example of Infighting. The issue is Thorsen , his dishonesty, and his lack of credibility. The issue is not about the "tee-hee". You can ignore the "tee-hee" part if you don't like it.

How did I give Thorsen a pass? I'm as angry as heck that he stole money that was supposed to go to autism research!

But why should I believe that you are really interested in a serious discussion about this when you find such theft amusing? It's not infigthing to say that starting off with a giggle doesn't seem like the best way to invite an open dialogue on the subject.

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by Lollybrat 

How did I give Thorsen a pass? I'm as angry as heck that he stole money that was supposed to go to autism research!

But why should I believe that you are really interested in a serious discussion about this when you find such theft amusing? It's not infigthing to say that starting off with a giggle doesn't seem like the best way to invite an open dialogue on the subject.

About this tee-hee thing. I can only speak for myself but I know the tee-hee didn't come off as being amused that someone embezzled money.   I look at it as people seem to think these researchers researching the vax/autism link can do no wrong and are just about the Holy Grail when it comes to research.  This is far from true, as we see with Thorsen. There are crooked people all over the place, particularly in the vaccine industry. 

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by SilverMoon010 


 ....people seem to think these researchers researching the vax/autism link can do no wrong and are just about the Holy Grail when it comes to research.  This is far from true, as we see with Thorsen. There are crooked people all over the place, particularly in the vaccine industry. 

This is exactly, exactly what I meant! Maybe I should have been a little more mature though. It is not funny when a researcher embezzles money; I think I just used bad humor as a way to deal with the upsetting story.

[Alenushka]

In the last 10 years number of people who vaccinate went down and number of children with autism went up.

Number of  people who practice AP went up....and so did number of autism cases.

So, not vaccinating and AP cause autism.

That is obviously ridiculous.

Just like an idea that vaccination cause autism based on a original study of 14 children which is way too small of a sample.

Many time a cause of an illness is complex combination of factors not just one thing.  One thing which is very apparent it that parents are getting older and older, but no one is want to dicuss the reality of age related DNA damage in egg and sperm

[orangewallflower]

Wow, Alenushka! Enough said. 

[BeckyBird]

I would be very interested to look at age related studies. Autism might just be a complex combination of factors, just like you said. That's why we should continue to research as much as possible-- age related changes to DNA, environmental toxins, and vaccines included.