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post #21 of 70

I'm also A-Political (new term for me) because I vote on the issue individually.  I have many things I believe in but the one thing I value the most if FREEDOM.

 

I have had a UC and I support UC.

 

post #22 of 70

Newsolarmama, I agree with you about libertarianism. That's why I am not libertarian either. It's just too idealistic considering the world we actually live in.

 

I think there may be some confusion about the terms "liberal" and "libertarian" in this thread. As far as I understand, they are far from the same thing. "Liberal" tends to mean "left" with all the economic and social regulation that implies, whereas I generally understand libertarian to mean anti-regulation of all kinds - though I have also noticed that some people who call themselves "libertarian" are socially very conservative. But that's the thing, these terms are so vague and can mean so many different things to different people. So when people say they are libertarian or liberal that doesn't actually tell me much. I would be interested in hearing what people actually believe in, rather than just a label.

post #23 of 70
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Newsolarmama, I agree with you about libertarianism. That's why I am not libertarian either. It's just too idealistic considering the world we actually live in.

 

I think there may be some confusion about the terms "liberal" and "libertarian" in this thread. As far as I understand, they are far from the same thing. "Liberal" tends to mean "left" with all the economic and social regulation that implies, whereas I generally understand libertarian to mean anti-regulation of all kinds - though I have also noticed that some people who call themselves "libertarian" are socially very conservative. But that's the thing, these terms are so vague and can mean so many different things to different people. So when people say they are libertarian or liberal that doesn't actually tell me much. I would be interested in hearing what people actually believe in, rather than just a label.



Now this is fascinating, and I was surprised when someone mentioned in last night (but too tired to respond). Because I grew up in Europe, I probably have a different understanding of the word Liberal. Over here (countries I have lived in), it means right of center, while left, "nanny state" folks would be called socialists.

 

I currently live in a post-communist country that no longer offers the benefits of the "parental state" (no, not going to use the world paternal orngbiggrin.gif) but still carries the burdens of that same state, namely high levels bureaucracy, few civil liberties, and now also lots of corruption. I class myself as a libertarian in this country because the economic situation means the benefits (welfare, healthcare, etc - they are theoretically there but the bureaucracy seems to decide at will who gets them and who doesn't, and there are more token then a real benefit) are not going to come along soon, so we need the state to allow citizens to then take full responsibility for their lives.

 

As it stands, the things that are so dear to many on MDC are mostly illegal here - homebirth is not illegal but having one gives people a lot of administrative trouble, not vaccinating is a crime, as is homeschooling. Which, unfortunately, means we are breaking the law. Yet, unless you have gone through hundreds of hours of bureaucracy, you will have to pay for your own vaccines. Private health insurance is starting to be available, for some limited purposes.

post #24 of 70

I'll elaborate. I believe in small government. Freedom to the people. I support the US constitution and I'm very unhappy with the way the US is being run into the ground.

post #25 of 70
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Interesting question to pose to UCer's  I find I am often alone in a sea of extremely conservative christians when I'm discussing UC or homeschooling or such. 


Well, if we lived near each other you wouldn't be alone, even though I am an extremely conservative christian.  I UC, cloth diaper, baby wear, no vax, no circ, homeschool/unschool, and am homesteading for a sustainable lifestyle.

 

post #26 of 70
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I know you are referencing someone elses comment, but I just have to say that it makes no sense at all to me. The left is notorious for it's nanny state laws because they think we need to be protected from ourselves and they often choose to limit parental choices in favor of what they see as the greater good for society. The right has many people fighting for school vouchers, homeschooling, lay midwifery and vax freedom. 

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post #27 of 70

Olivia, here, these days, liberal seems to equate to Socialist. At least in the dialogues of most, it seems.

post #28 of 70
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Olivia, here, these days, liberal seems to equate to Socialist. At least in the dialogues of most, it seems.



Yeah, sorry for the trans-Atlantic mess up. It really makes me realize how little I am truly American (I am of mixed heritage, but apparently culturally simply European! I ought to have known about this, though!)

post #29 of 70


totally agree, Elizabeth!  I recently moved out of Missouri with much hesitancy because while there's a ton of other cooler places I'd like to live, i quite enjoyed the freedom to birth, live, and raise my children how I wanted to that is enjoyed in states that are full of conservative christians. 

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Not sure who you were talking to, but sorry if it wasn't me. :) If it was--

 

Why? What does that matter? What is that going to prove? That UCing is a conservative value?

 

I have to admit that one of the pluses to living in a mostly Republican state, for me, is that they really seem to prize my rights to keep to myself in a rural home and run my own show. Things like UCing and homeschooling are far easier for me as a result. I suppose I should thank my conservative Christian friends for that one. FIREdevil.gif And no, that wasn't sarcastic. Neither was that.



 

post #30 of 70

Just lurking here, but I must say this is so very refreshing.  The birth community I am involved in is so very liberal, and while these ladies are my dear friends, it gets very lonely over here on the right.  

post #31 of 70

"Why? What does that matter? What is that going to prove? That UCing is a conservative value?"

 

I'm a homebirther in Illinois who's considered/ing UC if I can't find a midwife, and thus lurking here regularly so I have some idea of what I'm doing.

 

Anyways, I'm an ultra-liberal radical feminist pagan. Who has long hair, prefers skirts, homeschools, and is a SAHM. My midwife is a conservative Christian and probable Quiverfull-er, and knows my politics quite well. When I had trouble with my midwife situation in my last pregnancy, she even said that she'd see me UCing long before she'd see me planning a hospital birth. Or, to sum up, a conservative Christian UCer believed that UC is more in line with the values of a liberal feminist pagan.

 

What I find really fascinating is how the politically conservative homebirthers use the exact language of the pro-choice movement to defend homebirth, down to "my body my choice"

post #32 of 70
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What I find really fascinating is how the politically conservative homebirthers use the exact language of the pro-choice movement to defend homebirth, down to "my body my choice"



Yes, that is true. It would also be interesting to know whether UC-ers are generally pro-choice, or pro-life. A friend of mine recently went on national television in the country we live in to discuss homebirth. She stated that she thought it was socially more acceptable to have an abortion than a homebirth here, and unfortunately she was right. I don't know why that is true, and I don't understand that attitude at all. Smoking in pregnancy is also considered "OK" over here, to the extent that it is very common to see a pregnant smoker on the street. Not seeing an OB for prenatals is considered neglect, on the other hand - even if you do everything an OB does yourself!

post #33 of 70

Im very liberal but im not committed to a party.  DH is running for congress again.  he ran green party last time but did not have ballad access so he was a write in. Im pretty sure he's going to be running dem this time around

post #34 of 70

I'm not having a UC(doing birth center birth but would prefer HB), but I fully support it. I'm libertarian as well(but registered Republican in order to vote)
 

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What I find really fascinating is how the politically conservative homebirthers use the exact language of the pro-choice movement to defend homebirth, down to "my body my choice"


I am pretty conservative in regards to current politics(but libertarian really), and pro-choice in the first trimester. I can understand where pro-life conservatives come from though; it all comes down to the life. They believe that the child's life in utero has the same rights(and freedom to live) as any other human being. Without interference that life will grow and thrive, so it deserves the same right to life as any other person. It's the governments place to protect each persons rights and freedom to life, liberty, and property, so when it comes to a women's right to not have a child(which some argue is mute because they did in fact conceive) or a fetus(child)'s right to life, the right to life wins.

 

That argument can be extended to democrats who are pro-choice as well, they are pro-woman's choice to have an abortion, but want to take away SO many other choices we have as parents and citizens.

 

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I'll elaborate. I believe in small government. Freedom to the people. I support the US constitution and I'm very unhappy with the way the US is being run into the ground.


This is me exactly. Small government as it was intended by the constitution. The federal government has very little authority granted to it Constitutionally, and all other things not delegated to it in the Constitution are to be dealt with by the states.... easy as that.

 

post #35 of 70

100% pro-life.

post #36 of 70

I am a conservative Republican and 100% pro-life. 

post #37 of 70
Im really surprised to see so many conservative people here at MDC. I wonder if its just this thread, or if most of MDC is more conservative than I thought. Hmmm...maybe time for another poll.
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Im really surprised to see so many conservative people here at MDC. I wonder if its just this thread, or if most of MDC is more conservative than I thought. Hmmm...maybe time for another poll.


Me too! I always feel very outnumbered and put down on here most of the time because I am more conservative...

post #39 of 70

I've never had a UC but I support the right to UC and I have had 2 HBs.

 

I believe in small government and the Constitution. I guess you might call me a libertarian.

 

I've been struggling with the pro-life/pro-choice issue for a while but I think I identify most with pro-life.

post #40 of 70
I am pro-choice. I had an abortion when I was 17 and it was the best decision I ever made, especially since the boy I was with at the time died a horrible death from spinal cancer 2 years later,
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