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post #41 of 70

Sharlla-- wow! How interesting and exciting!

 

I am pro-choice but can't really imagine getting an abortion, myself. I can understand people being against abortion past the first trimester.

 

Tracy, I think it was very brave of you to get so personal with your experience to us-- thank you.

post #42 of 70

hmmm...I am conservative yet strongly believe in the freedom to choose.   I feel conservative govt has it's place in a world with people who would choose to harm others... there are children, people who are weak/vulnerable that should be protected from the harmful choices of others...labour laws, child protection etc is a good thing, no?

 

pro-life or pro-choice?

 

I was faced with the decison to abort or place a baby for adoption, at the time I was 100% pro life.  Since then I have known close friends who have chosen to have abortions and... I just CANNOT judge them.  I can say that my choice to carry on that pregnancy (which was not conceived through consent) is one of the best decisions I have ever made.  The experience of bringing a life into this world was something I will never regret.  In fact throughout all the trials and heartaches of that pregnancy/adoption process I can honestly say I benefited.  But still, It's difficult for me to say I am pro life, altho I relate to it's arguments, only because I can't honestly say I am not pro choice.  Because unwanted pregnancies can involve/come from such unique circumstances I would not say that someone else should choose for any woman- however IF she asked me, I  would recommend carrying out a pregnancy and finding a family to adopt that sweet life rather than to abort- but that is where I'm coming from, based on my experiences and the experience of those I love who had dealt with deep sadness post abortion..   I believe in freedom of choice and realize that brings natural results of our choices. 

 

complicated topic!


Edited by sunshinemoma - 5/28/11 at 5:15pm
post #43 of 70

I'm pretty far to the left.

And I'm definitely pro-choice.

:)

 

post #44 of 70
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hmmm...I am conservative yet strongly believe in the freedom to choose.   I feel conservative govt has it's place in a world with people who would choose to harm others... there are children, people who are weak/vulnerable that should be protected from the harmful choices of others...labour laws, child protection etc is a good thing, no?

 

pro-life or pro-choice?

 

I was faced with the decison to abort or place a baby for adoption, at the time I was 100% pro life.  Since then I have known close friends who have chosen to have abortions and... I just CANNOT judge them.  I can say that my choice to carry on that pregnancy (which was not conceived through consent) is one of the best decisions I have ever made.  The experience of bringing a life into this world was something I will never regret.  In fact throughout all the trials and heartaches of that pregnancy/adoption process I can honestly say I benefited.  But still, It's difficult for me to say I am pro life, altho I relate to it's arguments, only because I can't honestly say I am not pro choice.  Because unwanted pregnancies can involve/come from such unique circumstances I would not say that someone else should choose for any woman- however IF she asked me, I  would recommend carrying out a pregnancy and finding a family to adopt that sweet life rather than to abort- but that is where I'm coming from, based on my experiences and the experience of those I love who had dealt with deep sadness post abortion..   I believe in freedom of choice and realize that brings natural results of our choices. 

 

complicated topic!


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post #45 of 70

Anarchist! Well, Voluntaryist is the name I prefer. 

 

And, absolutely pro-choice. 

 

(planning for a UC whenever #2 comes along)

post #46 of 70

Pro-choice, though I would not have an abortion myself unless my life was endangered and there was no way the baby would survive. I actually agree with a lot of what pro-lifers say. For example, I guess I pretty much agree that life *does* begin at conception. The difference for me is that I think the mother's life/will/desires take precedence over the embryo/fetus (to a certain point - I am very uncomfortable with abortion after even the first couple months, not to mention after the 1st trimester, and after the fetus is viable I don't think they should be done at all - if the mother's life is in danger, labor can be induced or an emergency c/s done). I think it's very important for early abortions to be safe and easily accessible so that, if a pregnancy is to be ended, it happens in as early a stage of physical development as possible.

 

I don't like abortion and I don't think it's usually a great choice, and I wish there were more social support so that women wouldn't often be faced with an abortion due to economic or interpersonal circumstances. And I really hate the social attitude that babies ruin your life so if they aren't planned they are automatically a bad thing, or that you can't/shouldn't have a baby if you're poor or otherwise disadvantaged. But I think every woman should be trusted to make the choice for herself. Even if she later comes to feel that the choice was wrong. As an autonomous human being, she should be allowed the freedom to make potentially wrong choices. And, having supported a friend through an abortion, I realize it's not something women do lightly, no matter how much I may disagree with their reasons for it.

post #47 of 70

And sunshinemoma, wow. That is an amazing story. I don't have more words than that, but wow bow2.gif

post #48 of 70
So, are we allowed to debate abortion here at MDC now? Im seeing a lot of posts about why/why not people are pro life or pro choice and I was under the impression that MDC didnt host abortion debates. Abortion is a very sensitive topic so lets tread lightly if its going to be discussed at all.
post #49 of 70

I agree with you Adaline'smama, it is very important to tread lightly.  To be sensitive and empathetic on this as well as any other sensitive topic.
 

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So, are we allowed to debate abortion here at MDC now? Im seeing a lot of posts about why/why not people are pro life or pro choice and I was under the impression that MDC didnt host abortion debates. Abortion is a very sensitive topic so lets tread lightly if its going to be discussed at all.

 

I wasn't aware of the restriction of that topic on MDC.  Or is it a restriction of debating the ethics of either pro-life/choice?  If I had I known I might not have responded to the post that was specifically wondering whether UC supporters were pro life/choice.  Altho, I was simply giving the stance I've had/do have on this (yes, very sensitive) topic as well as disclosing where my biases come from.

 

If this has breeched MDC rules/guidelines I am happy to remove my posts.

 


 

post #50 of 70

Holly... if I may... I was actually pleasantly surprised with how cordially we were all able to discuss this topic, considering how politically different we all are and how controversial the subject is. I didn't think it had really gone into debate. I'm sorry if anything we said offended you. :(

post #51 of 70

Holly, I too was surprised to see that this discussion was being allowed. I just thought maybe MDC has lightened their rules about this subject along with everything else. Also though, this has remained a respectful discussion rather than a debate - perhaps that is why it hasn't been moderated.

post #52 of 70

I didn't see it as a debate, but just a voicing of our opinions. No one was refuting or debating any one other person on the subject.

post #53 of 70
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I didn't see it as a debate, but just a voicing of our opinions. No one was refuting or debating any one other person on the subject.



I agree. This thread has been wonderfully diverse and really interesting!

 

I asked the question about pro-choice/pro-life, but didn't say where I stand. I find myself increasingly pro-life as I get older, but I would oppose banning abortion. I don't think governments should interfere in personal choices.

post #54 of 70
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I agree. This thread has been wonderfully diverse and really interesting!

 

I asked the question about pro-choice/pro-life, but didn't say where I stand. I find myself increasingly pro-life as I get older, but I would oppose banning abortion. I don't think governments should interfere in personal choices.



That's me too. I am pro-life personally, but I don't think the government should interfere like that. I would never advise someone to get one if asked, and if a friend asked my opinion about it, I'd tell them, but I don't think the government should make it illegal. In that way I'm pro-choice.

post #55 of 70
I guess I dont see it as a debate either, I just know that it used to be that any time anyone brought abortion up at all a mod would jump in and say that MDC does not host abortion debates. I guess my point is that its easy for it to turn into a debate. For example, if I had quoted a few choice sentences that I strongly disagree with and stated why I disagreed with them, it would have been debate. Instead, I chose not to state my beliefs, although I would think it would be pretty clear anyway seeing as I originally posted that I am an anarchist.
post #56 of 70

I think I understand where you are coming from, Holly. :) And, you're right, and so are the others-- I think that recently the rules have been softened a little, so as long as this remains a civil discussion, I think the topic will be permitted.

 

I'm actually pretty passionate about this topic and have surprised myself by saying less than usual!

 

I think that's mostly due to the level of apparent respect right now. ;) This is me, playing well with others! yikes2.gif

post #57 of 70

Well, I guess I would consider myself a Socialist, but apparently that means something very different to most of you than it does to me!  I'm pretty far left, but not supporting a nanny-state at all, though I do believe that there needs to be some regulation in order to protect the interests of those who might not otherwise be able to do so themselves.  There are very few Socialist candidates in the UK or Ireland, so when I vote (and I always do - consider it my duty) I usually end up voting for the Green Party or Labour, though I tend to take it issue by issue and candidate by candidate.  I believe strongly in personal freedom, as long as it doesn't encroach on the freedoms of others.

 

WRT the abortion issue - I'm not sure I would have one myself, though I can imagine a few situations in which I would seriously consider it, but I am pro-choice in that I don't believe I have the right to make that decision for anyone else.

 

I wonder also where UCers are on the vax issue - I am a non-vaxer, based on a lot of reading and research, plus a family history of adverse reactions and an adverse reaction in my oldest.  All of those things combined led me to believe that that was the best decision for our family in our particular circumstances.  But, of course, I wouldn't judge anyone else for making a different decision.

post #58 of 70

Lisa, I think a lot of people would consider me a Socialist, too. :)

 

I'm a non-vaxer, but I started out vaccinating. Kind of like the way I gave birth, I learned what I considered to be a "better way" of doing things, so I made changes accordingly.

 

Loving the names you use for your girls. :)

post #59 of 70

I have been warned in the past about mentioning abortion at all and was asked to erase/modify my statements and even my pro-life signature!!!!!  I wanted to talk about my pro-life position more in this post, but held back for fear of "getting in trouble" and yet, I come back to see that it is being openly discussed without the slightest reprimand!?!?   Not sure if the rules have changed or not. Does this mean I can have my pro-life signature now?   :)  It would be nice to be able to mention pro-life issues once in a while as they come up, though I understand the need to make sure tempers don't flare.

 

Anyway, I will add (since it seems to be ok......) that for me, being pro-life is a humanitarian issue.  What is inside of a woman from the moment of conception is a human being.   I believe that all human beings (particularly those that are innocent and helpless) have an inherent right to live. (You know that American concept of Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...you can't have liberty or pursue happiness if you don't have the right to live first!)   Mothers have many reproductive rights, but I dont' believe that abortion is one of them.  She can choose not to be a mother, but she can not choose to take the life of another human being.   Pro-lifers have compasion for both the mother and the baby. They have a sense of justice for both the mother and the baby and they have a deep sense of conviction for human life, both, the mothers and the baby's!    

 

For me, this belief was re-affirmed when I chose NOT to circumcize my son.  I related deeply to the idea that a baby boy has a right to all his body parts.  He has a right to decide if he wants a part of his body removed for non-medical reasons.  It is about his bodily integrity.   In my mind, if I don't have the right to take his life, I certainly don't have the right to amputate a part of his body.  He is a person, distinct from me and my job as a parent is to protect him and protect his rights to a whole body, from conception to adulthood.    My pro-life beliefs begin in the womb and extend to after birth.   After all, the same person I'm protecting after birth is the same human being that has existed from the moment of conception. It just makes sense. 

 

One last thing I will say is that I feel a deep connection with the mothers on this site, whether they are pro-life or pro-choice.  I can't imagine where else I could go to be around those who share my convictions when it comes to mothering and childbirth and circumcision, etc......it doesn't bother me at all that there are different opinions on abortion.  That's what makes America one of the greatest countries on earth!   We can share, discuss and move on and still feel connected in so many other ways.  I will always appreciate everyone here. 

 

post #60 of 70

Politically- I'm conservative as far as my values go, and for smaller government and support freedom of parents to choose what is best for their kids
Pro-Life/Pro-Choice- I'm pro-parenting and pro-adoption. :)

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