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post #481 of 767
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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post



OMG I'm so sorry.  I had a terribly negligent CPM as well.  I did not have the awful outcome that you did but it hurt like hell because she was supposed to be a "good guy."  I also find it disgusting that people can't talk freely about their experiences.
 

 



But hey, they can be patronized and mocked if they do!

post #482 of 767


 

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Originally Posted by NannyMcPhee View Post





I've been reading over there for the last few days and its really interesting you are fixated on the ''mocking'' element of those who choose to UC. What I see over there is pretty much universal condemnation of the practise, even by mothers who have UCed themselves in the past. So its not really mocking, but discussing a subject that those people feel is dangerous and a really, really bad choice, for mothers and babies.  They have some really good points about it too, ones that I have never seen expressed on this board before.  Because of that, to me, its kind of scary there is a private UC board on this forum, as it seems like it would further insulate the practise from all points of view, from all research on the subject, from other mothers that have birthing experience and from birthing professionals.

They have every right in the world to not agree with the choice to UC and not agreeing is certainly not the same as mocking or pointing and laughing.




Dont care. There are plenty of places on the internet where people are super against UC and call other people stupid, its nice to have a semi private space.

By the way, I was snarked upon for asking the very first question I ever asked in the UC forum. This was my whole reason for starting this thread....it was to find out why I was being mocked for asking a freaking question.

 

I don't understand anything you just wrote.

post #483 of 767
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Originally Posted by mommato5 View Post

I rarely post here anymore because of issues here. I do go to twws. Here, I am irritated with the misinformation and dangerous practices that are encouraged. My child died because of a negligent CPM. Coincidentally, before her death, I had shared that midwife's name here raving about her. Shortly after I published the midwife's name on my personal blog, that post was pulled and I was given crap for even writing about her under the guise of causing problems for this board (although it was on MY PERSONAL BLOG). When someone asks about midwives that MDC higherups know have a horrid track record, they are basically told to shut up, only glowing recommendations are to be shared.

 

 


I am sorry for your loss.  candle.gif

 

post #484 of 767
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post






Of course, a cold is completely comparable to the deaths of babies. duh.gif No one said go to the doctor for every little thing. It's about going to the doctor when there is good reason to and not relying on herbs and Law of Attraction. And you don't see how insensitive that was to a grieving mother? The sad thing is that post is quite typical of MDC posts that pass the UA and THAT'S why people turn to boards like TWWS. That was the most minimizing, snide, dismissive thing I have seen.


No it isn't. And mommato5 didn't say it was:

 

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There's already been 3 dead babies in less than a month here, on one board.

 

This does not include babies who are sick where mom is told to wait it out or give a vitamin or some other funky treatment.


You mean that she was referring to specific babies who didn't receive proper treatment? candle.gif

 

Not hypothetical sick babies? Oh dear.

 

post #485 of 767
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post




No it isn't. And mommato5 didn't say it was:

 


You mean that she was referring to specific babies who didn't receive proper treatment? candle.gif

 

Not hypothetical sick babies? Oh dear.

 




I would get down on my bony knees and thank the lord if I believed you just misunderstood her and that's why you posted such a thing.

post #486 of 767

Wait, so you don't care about learning about any of the risks associated with a choice you want to make? Is that what you are saying? Or are you just concerned more with being ''mocked'' than your childs welfare?

post #487 of 767

This thread is getting nutso.

post #488 of 767
Hasn't been said for a few pages: If you post something publicly it's fair game. If you didn't know that already, then you do now and you can act accordingly in the future.

I am finding many many things about this forum very amusing. It's cracking me up that they are all in a tizzy about so many new members when they know they are being talked about rabidly on here and you can't read a single thing on the board without registering first. I'm gonna keep reading for a bit before I decide if I wanna participate and I wouldn't have registered yet if I could browse some of the forums first.

Also, I felt a bit flattered to find one of my posts C&Ped on there. orngbiggrin.gif
post #489 of 767
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No, I dont care that think it is scary that there is a private forum because: (since you couldnt understand Ill bullet my points for you)

- There should be a place where it is safe to talk about UC
- You are incorrect in thinking that questions dont get mocked, they do.
- I think its likely that twws is going to be sending someone into the private uc forum to c&p posts from there
- I started this thread specifically to find out why I was being snarked for ASKING A QUESTION. (Im telling you this because you are insisting that people are mocking, they are only concerned about the dangers of uc and blah blah blah. Bullcrap, its also because they use our posts for their entertainment. You are offended that I am "fixated" on the mocking element. YES, that was the whole point of the thread.)


Obviously, I care about the risk factors. Obviously, I care more about my child than I do anything else.

Oh, and also,
IM NOT BRAND WHORE WHO WANTS TO UC SO I CAN PUT IT IN MY SIGGY. That has to be one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard. But geeze, dont ask a question, dont show any interest in anything you might be interested in, because then you are a brand whore. Do you really think that everyone here is getting all their information from this very messageboard and we are all just idiots who have no idea what we want and no idea what's best for our child?
post #490 of 767
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post

This thread is getting nutso.


Yes, it is.
 

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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post






I would get down on my bony knees and thank the lord if I believed you just misunderstood her and that's why you posted such a thing.


I think she's just trying to get a rise from the women over yonder. This has turned into a game.
 

 

post #491 of 767

Ok, so I just went and read your thread. You wanted to know wether you should lie to your HCP. So what kind of response did you want to that? Do you think UCers are more dishonest or something? Its a terrible idea. There. I said it here instead of over there. It sounds like you are getting wonderful care that half the world would be lucky to ever imagine, you respect and trust your OB and you will side step the risk and any potentially bad outcomes of UCing.

 

Also, on that thread over there YOU personally were discussed for about a page, then the rest of the thread is about other people, on that board and this and about UC in general and at one point in time CAKE.

post #492 of 767
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No, not just UC in general. Someone in specific. Someone who lost a child and you all were very very mean about it.
post #493 of 767

I went over there and I'm glad I did.  It's not nearly as bad as I was thinking it was.  In my head it was full of the meanest people ever who snarked every thread here, which I haven't found is the case.  I'm a bit bothered by ppl sharing their password so board members can get into TAO w/o having to register here, but that's it.

post #494 of 767
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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post

No, not just UC in general. Someone in specific. Someone who lost a child and you all were very very mean about it.


I am not ''you''. I just told you I just joined over there and had a look.

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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post

No, I dont care that think it is scary that there is a private forum because: (since you couldnt understand Ill bullet my points for you)

- There should be a place where it is safe to talk about UC
Why?  Why should there be a protected place for people who refuse to awknowledge scientific evidence to discuss ever riskier birthing decisions?
- You are incorrect in thinking that questions dont get mocked, they do.
Only questions that are ironic or otherwise funny.  Like if, perhaps, someone had ranted in the past about how honest they were and how frustrated they were that people were asking them to lie, and then that person was fishing for encouragement to lie to someone else.  That might get mocked, sure. 
- I think its likely that twws is going to be sending someone into the private uc forum to c&p posts from there
You are certainly welcome to speculate about that all you like. 
- I started this thread specifically to find out why I was being snarked for ASKING A QUESTION. (Im telling you this because you are insisting that people are mocking, they are only concerned about the dangers of uc and blah blah blah. Bullcrap, its also because they use our posts for their entertainment. You are offended that I am "fixated" on the mocking element. YES, that was the whole point of the thread.)
I really think you have your answer.  You don't like it.  That's ok.  I don't always like the answers to my questions either.  That's life. 


Obviously, I care about the risk factors. Obviously, I care more about my child than I do anything else.
I think it is great that you care more about the outcome of your birth than you do the process.  Everyone should.  Sadly, there are posters in the UC forum who are on record as having different priorities, and some people think that should be public knowledge and should be pointed out when people get advice from them. 
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IM NOT BRAND WHORE WHO WANTS TO UC SO I CAN PUT IT IN MY SIGGY. That has to be one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard. But geeze, dont ask a question, dont show any interest in anything you might be interested in, because then you are a brand whore. Do you really think that everyone here is getting all their information from this very messageboard and we are all just idiots who have no idea what we want and no idea what's best for our child?
The "Brand Whore" thing you are referring to started with members of the UC board cherry-picking other members birth stories and declaring them "not really UC".... the consequence of which, whether intended or not, was to spur aspiring UCers on to even greater feats of childbirth daring, and risk.  Intended outcome?  Maybe not.  But a pretty obvious natural consequence, I think.  I also can't recall if anyone specifically said that about you, or if it was a general statement that you chose to latch onto, so as to increase your martyrdom.  I don't actually care enough to search back and look, though.   
 


I hope that helps.

 

post #496 of 767
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post

I think that's the thing - who should say which beliefs are too fringe-y, you know?


Those who are able to state that a belief is premised on false or selective information, for starters. 

post #497 of 767
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post


 On the other hand, there are plenty of places out there to get information about why children should be fully vaxed for example, and not many to get information about why they shouldn't be... so I'm not sure we need to aim for a completely balanced viewpoint.

I get that, and I know this is a natural family living board, but the infraction I had was simply for asking, "can't we have a balanced discussion?" I was new to the vax forum, I didn't know that no, we couldn't. I could understand a warning, but after several years of being a member that was the first time I got discipline points. A simple "no, this is not the place" should have sufficed.

 

I know the moderation is supposed to have lightened up, you'll have to forgive me that I didn't instantly drop my guard and left TWWS and embraced being back here.
 

 

post #498 of 767
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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post

Personally, Im really glad there is a private UC forum. The maybe, you know, if you dont send a troll in to c&p, people who ARE interested in UC can ask legitimate questions without being mocked. But probably not.

I haven't seen the private UC forum, I didn't even apply because I assumed I would not be accepted, given that I have dared in the past to tell a mother with a high-risk pregnancy that UC was unwise (and then her baby died). Like most posters to that forum, her question was legitimate, but the answers that were acceptable to give her were not.

 

post #499 of 767
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post




They have every right not to agree with UC.  I am not sure while they feel the need to cut and paste, however.  I can sort of see cutting and pasting  if they really are afraid a thread will go poof!  In which case I think the invested parties should be invited over to discuss.  I don't know - I just do not need to cut and paste to discuss an issue.

 


It's hard to discuss what someone said when you don't actually know what they said. As has been mentioned, a lot of our posters have been banned for MDC (some simply because they were a member of the other board), so we can't just link to the post. Really, I don't understand why you're so caught up on the C&P aspect. What does it matter if it's quoted, linked to, or paraphrased?

 

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Originally Posted by mimim View Post

I am finding many many things about this forum very amusing. It's cracking me up that they are all in a tizzy about so many new members when they know they are being talked about rabidly on here and you can't read a single thing on the board without registering first. I'm gonna keep reading for a bit before I decide if I wanna participate and I wouldn't have registered yet if I could browse some of the forums first.
 


I'm thinking maybe you've never seen someone have a real tizzy before if that's that's the word you use to describe our discussion of the traffic TWWS is getting because of this thread.

 

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