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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

yes this is a reason for me asking this question. 

 

i discovered something about my lack of knowledge that shocked me. i will share later what that piece of info is. 

 

so i wanted to see if others were as clueless as me. 

 

are ur reasons - 

- their kind of research

- gmo?

- roundup ready seeds?

 

i am not looking for their business policy because that is obvious.  however if that's the only reason u dont like them then i'd like to hear about it. 

 

- mods - my intent is not activism

 

i'll get more specific once i see answers to better guide the discussion

 

 


Edited by meemee - 6/4/11 at 1:00am
post #2 of 17
Well, I guess their business practices, which you mention, are a biggie for me.

I object to the fact that they use their huge lobby weight to block consumer knowledge legislation like fair labeling.

I object to the practices that they use which devalue food nutritionally.

I don't like their support of the Farm Bill.

I really, really hate that they not only put small farmers out of business with the whole cradle-to-grave, Round-up ready thing, but they also sue the pants off the poor little guy who merely has Monsanto seed accidentally infiltrate his crop. Yeah....patents on DNA may just be the worst thing for me.

Those are all pretty sweeping statements with no supporting evidence. I assume you are interested in hearing what our perceptions are about Monsanto and our biases against the company based on our probably imperfect knowledge of the minutiae? So that is just my first reaction, without doing any googling, about why I think I hate Monsanto. I'm dying to know what I am still clueless about! Do tell!

Oh, #1 reason to hate Monsanto? Michael Pollan tells me to hate them. I spend so much time going against society's norms and feeling the need to read, research and defend, that it is very nice to have a guy in whom I have enough confidence to think, "yeah, what he said".
post #3 of 17

What pp said, plus as someone who lives in Europe, I really don't like how Monsanto works together with the U.S. govt. to try and force biotech on other countries.

 

I am really curious about you discovered, meemee!

post #4 of 17

1. they are destroying our food supply and contaminating it with GMO which are not natural

 

2. they are claiming now they are trying to save the world and make more food to cure hunger which is bull b/c not only are they shutting down farms by suing the garbage out of them and patenting seeds they are working on engineering a seed that automatically destroys itself every year so every single person will HAVE to buy new seeds every single year which will lead to mass STARVATION world wide.

 

3. umm they are patenting seeds!

 

4. they are suing local farmers

 

5. they are selfish and money hungry

 

6. they are controlling out gov $$$

 

7. They are trying to force themselves on other countries

 

There is a lot more I just can't think of right now.

post #5 of 17

I don't have the time to list all the reasons I hate Monsanto, but here is a quick summary.  Their business practices are revolting.  They are ruining the environment with their chemicals.  They are ruining organic crops via gmo therefore taking away my choices as a consumer.  Their ties to the government solidify the fact that I will never trust the government again.

post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by MammaG View Post

Oh, #1 reason to hate Monsanto? Michael Pollan tells me to hate them. I spend so much time going against society's norms and feeling the need to read, research and defend, that it is very nice to have a guy in whom I have enough confidence to think, "yeah, what he said".

 

I have a huge crush on Michael Pollan. It is so wonderful that there is a very public and very personable figure keeping the conversation going about safe, sustainable, and healthy food.

 

Monsanto has destroyed so many small farmers. They have tainted huge segments of our food supply and made it difficult or nearly impossible to remediate that. They are dishonest, sneaky, greedy (that's not even a strong enough word--can anyone think of a word that takes that up a notch?), manipulative, and destructive. Lately I've been feeling like the local food movement is one of the most meaningful and attainable environmental trends, and it's pretty difficult to get more people eating local, fresh food if Monsanto is controlling what seeds people can use and how they impact the ecosystem they are planted in.

post #7 of 17

They closed Voyage Through Inner Space at Disneyland.

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Originally Posted by ecoteat View Post



 

I have a huge crush on Michael Pollan. It is so wonderful that there is a very public and very personable figure keeping the conversation going about safe, sustainable, and healthy food.

 

Monsanto has destroyed so many small farmers. They have tainted huge segments of our food supply and made it difficult or nearly impossible to remediate that. They are dishonest, sneaky, greedy (that's not even a strong enough word--can anyone think of a word that takes that up a notch?), manipulative, and destructive. Lately I've been feeling like the local food movement is one of the most meaningful and attainable environmental trends, and it's pretty difficult to get more people eating local, fresh food if Monsanto is controlling what seeds people can use and how they impact the ecosystem they are planted in.



Agree with all of this.  When I first started reading about Monsanto, it was like reading some crazy conspiracy theory science fiction.  It was hard to believe that not only is it all true, it's not even really a secret.  It's just something that slipped past us while we were all enjoying our convenience foods and year-round access to seasonal foods.

post #9 of 17
Yup, trying to cause more starvation in freakin India, all the reasons here...

Lol at Disneyland.

I hate monsanto! And I didn't even know the name til I was 25. But everyone else seemed to know about them.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

so here is what i discovered.

 

the number one reason why i hated monsanto (the other reasons are signs of a corporation and that's a whole different thread by itself) is GMO. cross species GMO. 

 

the naive me thought only monsanto was doing research and selling GMO products. no one else was doing genetics except monsanto so if i stayed away from monsanto i was pretty good right?!!!

 

and yeah a big pollan fan here. and he contributed to my knowledge of GMO - cross species GMO. they made a darn good documentary out of Botany of desire i must say. 

 

so here is the shocking truth that me the totally ignorant person learnt. 

 

that the whole reason why i hated monsanto is not reason to hate them at all. because they are not the only one. 

 

all our food is now gmo. well not ALL but soon will be. i was at a symposium at a university and spoke to a research scientist out there. 

 

i live in an agriculture area and a big wine 'growing' country. a major huge portion of the grapes are grown thru grafting thru gmo. they are doing pretty much what monsanto did with the NewLeaf Potato and the cotton except with grapes. crossing bacteria. making them pesticide resistant thru using bacteria perhaps not truly round up. not the tomato with salmon genes but the same idea. to me its like turning say a fish into a gluten product so that gluten humans 'die' eating that fish. 

 

yikes2.gifbigeyes.gifjaw.gifhorrors.gif<vomit>

 

under what rock was i living. 

 

the ethics of food is completely changing and i am shocked at how insidiously this is happening. how common it is but we the common people are completely ignorant. 

 

as a corporation monsanto is just one of them. because of my own personal interest they are just one more on my list. so for instance to me there is no difference between chevron, monsanto or goldcorp. so for me trade practises, etc are all under the umbrella of corporation. not just monsanto. 

 

and i dont blame them for patenting seeds. its not their 'fault'. they are just using the system (like microsoft did by charging for software which was free before they came along) if anything its 'my' fault and my govts fault. 'i' havent tried to change the patenting rules so that living things can no longer be patented. 

 

 

post #11 of 17

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post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by MammaG View Post

 Yeah....patents on DNA may just be the worst thing for me.

 


That, I found that out and just stopped trying to even like them.

 

Sorry monsanto, you may think you're God, but you aren't. You cannot patent genetic material.

 

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post

so here is what i discovered.

 

the number one reason why i hated monsanto (the other reasons are signs of a corporation and that's a whole different thread by itself) is GMO. cross species GMO. 

 

the naive me thought only monsanto was doing research and selling GMO products. no one else was doing genetics except monsanto so if i stayed away from monsanto i was pretty good right?!!!

 

and yeah a big pollan fan here. and he contributed to my knowledge of GMO - cross species GMO. they made a darn good documentary out of Botany of desire i must say. 

 

so here is the shocking truth that me the totally ignorant person learnt. 

 

that the whole reason why i hated monsanto is not reason to hate them at all. because they are not the only one. 

 

all our food is now gmo. well not ALL but soon will be. i was at a symposium at a university and spoke to a research scientist out there. 

 

i live in an agriculture area and a big wine 'growing' country. a major huge portion of the grapes are grown thru grafting thru gmo. they are doing pretty much what monsanto did with the NewLeaf Potato and the cotton except with grapes. crossing bacteria. making them pesticide resistant thru using bacteria perhaps not truly round up. not the tomato with salmon genes but the same idea. to me its like turning say a fish into a gluten product so that gluten humans 'die' eating that fish. 

 

yikes2.gifbigeyes.gifjaw.gifhorrors.gif<vomit>

 

under what rock was i living. 

 

the ethics of food is completely changing and i am shocked at how insidiously this is happening. how common it is but we the common people are completely ignorant. 

 

as a corporation monsanto is just one of them. because of my own personal interest they are just one more on my list. so for instance to me there is no difference between chevron, monsanto or goldcorp. so for me trade practises, etc are all under the umbrella of corporation. not just monsanto. 

 

and i dont blame them for patenting seeds. its not their 'fault'. they are just using the system (like microsoft did by charging for software which was free before they came along) if anything its 'my' fault and my govts fault. 'i' havent tried to change the patenting rules so that living things can no longer be patented. 

 

 


A lot of people don't realize that genetic modification has been going on for a very long time. Not all in the same form, but in some for or another. It's how farmers used to make their crops (and animals) do better and produce better products. The way it's done now, is just sick. Companies like Monsanto producing plants that cannot reproduce, etc.

 

It used to be that you would combine the best of the best with the best of the best and get the best of the best of the best.

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post

A lot of people don't realize that genetic modification has been going on for a very long time. Not all in the same form, but in some for or another. It's how farmers used to make their crops (and animals) do better and produce better products. The way it's done now, is just sick. Companies like Monsanto producing plants that cannot reproduce, etc.

 

It used to be that you would combine the best of the best with the best of the best and get the best of the best of the best.

yup yup. natural genetic modification is a natural process. i mean that's how we have our wheat and corn for instance. i was born in a country where genetic modification helped feed its people almost 80 years ago. 

 

even in sumeria the birthplace of agriculture the farmers observed and planted 'easy' crops. 

 

MD its not just companies but universities too who are not profit oriented like companies. and while it may not be a tomato and a fish it is still a way of genetic modification which would NEVER happen in nature. i came home and started researching univ programs and OMG compared to them monsanto is just a child. 
 

 

post #15 of 17

I def knew it was more than monsanto. I like 85% blame our gov anyway...I mean real they could put a stop to thi$!

post #16 of 17
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 

oh yeah that reminds me of Codex.

 

bad bad bad

 

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