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How much do you go along with "fantasies"?

post #1 of 13
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Not sure if I should post in the pre-teen forum - ds is 9 and in grade 3.

 

He is still quite...what I'll call "immature" in some ways. He's also quite sensitive. Just a bit of background.

 

So he's in the wanting to be an inventor stage and really truly believes that he's going to invent many things including a time machine. He's very into dinosaurs right now so he talks a lot about inventing a time machine and going back to dinosaur times. I don't have a problem with all this and usually just say mildly encouraging things about it. I mean what do I know? Maybe it's possible and he will!

 

But what I specifically wanted to ask about is...he talks about these things at school and is getting teased and the other children flat out tell him it's not possible. I have kept my reaction low key and sometimes say things like well what do they know and well you'll show them when you do it won't you? I've also said that if the teasing bothers him (it seems to a little but is not a huge deal to him) then he might just not want to talk about those things to the people who tease him.

 

How much would you just go along with these things? Would you gently point out to him that it's not really possible? In general I'm the type who believes almost anything is possible (though not probable) so I always struggle with how much to point out reality to him (which usually results in him having a fit about it then he gradually accepts it) and how much to just indulge his own ideas. I'm not in a hurry for him to grow up and realize the "harsh reality of life" (LOL) but I also remember for me as a child that I very often felt deceived when I did realize that adults had just been going along with something to me and then I found out the truth.

post #2 of 13

My kids are much younger, but I think I'd probably try to channel it into an educational lesson - I mean, really, who says it isn't possible?  But reinforce that nobody knows how to do it and if he's interested in doing what nobody has done before, it means hard work and study.  There are plenty of kid-friendly books about physics and mechanics that might be relevant and interesting to him.  I do even take this tack with my 3-year-old... instead of telling her something can't be done I treat it like a puzzle to be solved and will give her every tool she needs or asks for to help her work it out.  Maybe she'll quit in frustration, but then, maybe she'll learn something.

 

I also wouldn't worry about his being teased by other kids.  Some kids live outside the box, and that's all there is to it. :)  As long as they have a solid foundation and self-esteem coming from home, I really believe they will be strong and interesting people in the long run!

post #3 of 13

Personally, I don't think it is very fair or honest to your son to say " well what do they know and well you'll show them when you do it won't you?" I am not saying you have to take the opposite reaction either, saying "no, it is not technically possible because of the way time works."

 

Instead I would not tell him, but help lead him, to make these discoveries for himself. Get him some science books or look online for time-space articles and help him find material at his comprehension level. Let him make the discoveries for himself, at his own pave. This will be a much more joyous journey to wisdom than if you tell him either flat out it is not possible, or perhaps worse, saying it is possible and he can prove all the others wrong. 
 

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I also wouldn't worry about his being teased by other kids.  Some kids live outside the box, and that's all there is to it. :)  As long as they have a solid foundation and self-esteem coming from home, I really believe they will be strong and interesting people in the long run!


This. I think you can help minimize it, by being more honest and practical with your son, but you can't make it all "just disappear". Some kids re different, and have different views of the world, and this does make them more interesting - though usually they are only appreciated for their outlook later, when they can find like minded people to discuss their world view with.

post #4 of 13

Personally, I think it's not a parent's job to crush a child's fantasies. Now that doesn't mean you can't say things like "Well, you'll need to figure out a lot of things that no one has ever been able to figure out before. What do you think you'll have to learn?  That's not 'going along with it' just to humor him, but it is taking his ideas seriously. I think the suggestion of helping him learn more about his area of passion is a good one. Between the kids at school and his gradual understanding of how hard it is, he'll figure this out. You don't have to crush his dreams.

 

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He's very into dinosaurs right now so he talks a lot about inventing a time machine and going back to dinosaur times. <snip> But what I specifically wanted to ask about is...he talks about these things at school and is getting teased and the other children flat out tell him it's not possible. I have kept my reaction low key and sometimes say things like well what do they know and well you'll show them when you do it won't you? I've also said that if the teasing bothers him (it seems to a little but is not a huge deal to him) then he might just not want to talk about those things to the people who tease him.


A couple of thoughts on this: First, as odd as it seems, 9 is a little 'old' for a dinosaur fascination. No, there's nothing that says you can't be interested in dinosaurs at age 9, but many kids go through a dinosaur stage in preschool/kindergarten and they've moved on. So, they might be reacting as much to the reason for him wanting to time travel. They've moved on, he hasn't, and in the somewhat cruel world of children, they're letting him know. 

 

Ds had some issues in 3rd grade because his passion -- buses and bus routes -- were clearly not cool, but he wasn't interested in the other things that the kids were interested in. Ds is a quiet introvert, so no one outside the family actually knew about his passion, and he didn't get teased. But I could tell that he was a bit adrift in terms of how to interact with other kids. Thankfully, my parents came to visit and introduced him to the wonderful world of being a sports fan (because they were talking about it a lot and looking up scores on the internet), and that has been his life saver during 4th grade, and will probably carry him through adulthood. Ds is always going to be a bit geeky, but he can talk about sports. (In excruciating detail. For better or worse, he mostly shares those details at home.)

 

There's not much you can do about the fact that other kids aren't interested in dinosaurs, but you might look for a summer class or something on that topic to give him an outlet among similarly minded kids. Reading about famous inventors and the things they went through might also be helpful -- the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, the Curies, etc.

 

Second, have you read "How to Talk So Children Will Listen"? (Faber & Mazlish) It gives some really nice ways to talk about emotions and issues like this. When he tells you about kids teasing him, instead of saying "well, you'll show them," a more neutral response would be "What do you think about that?" "How do you feel about that?" Asking questions about his perception might help you understand whether he's bothered or not. The phrase "we'll you'll show them when you do it" strikes me as precisely the kind of reaction that seemed to bother you when you got older. It also doesn't give him any new tools for talking about his emotions/ideas surrounding the issue. Questions that he has to respond to just might.

 

Finally, how does he do with social interactions in general? Our son has done a couple of 'social skills' groups at school that I think have really helped. His social skills aren't delayed enough to warrant intervention on more intense scale (he's not on the autism spectrum, for example), but he does benefit from some specific instruction and practice. Would such a thing be possible at your school? Do you have a school counselor you could talk to?

post #5 of 13
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Thanks! Yes we do help him to learn more - he does a lot on his own too. And we do talk about how other inventors/famous people/geniuses often weren't understood when they were young or even in their own lifetimes.

 

I didn't like the well you'll show them thing either. I am not the kind of person who would usually say those things and I think I only said that once in a very mild and laughing way.

 

Lynn you've hit the nail on the head in a lot of ways. DS seems to be hitting most of the stages that other children go through...only 1-4 years later than most. When he tells me about other children teasing him or "being mean" I almost always ask him how he felt about it and if it bothered him. I don't think it does too much. He's definitely eccentric! He does have a hard time relating to other children (and I could write a whole other very long post about that!). We've had him evaluated and he's not on the autism spectrum but has tendances that point to Asperger's - just not severe enough to have an actual diagnosis. Starting in grade one he did take an interest in some of the things the other boys were into - we've watched Star Wars and Harry Potter and he collected a few Bakugan (?) but I can tell he only does this because the other boys do. It's not really what he is too interested in himself.

 

My instinct when he talks about these things is just to be non-commital and ask what he thinks himself and those kinds of things but these "answers" do not sit well with ds at all. He likes things to make sense and wants concrete answers to questions. He's getting better at it but still has a hard time with the concept of there simply being no answer (or no one knows the answer) to something. We're working on it!

 

I guess mostly what I was wondering is if now that other people (the children at school) are telling him flat out that his ideas aren't possible and that he'll never do it should I maybe start saying something along the lines of well honey they are actually probably right. (Up til now we've done the helping him learn more thing in order to figure out his own ideas and just been supportive in general.)


Edited by katiecat - 6/7/11 at 3:29pm
post #6 of 13

 

I don't think time travel is so out of touch with reality as we might think!  There are some educational resources on this website that are really fascinating: andersoninstitute.com

 

It's a website managed by a physicist who studies time travel.  Sorry to barge in, but I saw your post and had to share :)

Just coz it's not well-known, doesn't mean it's not possible.  I really love that about kids, they aren't afraid of thinking about things which are outside the thoughts of everyday life.

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I don't think time travel is so out of touch with reality as we might think!  There are some educational resources on this website that are really fascinating: andersoninstitute.com

 

It's a website managed by a physicist who studies time travel.  Sorry to barge in, but I saw your post and had to share :)

Just coz it's not well-known, doesn't mean it's not possible.  I really love that about kids, they aren't afraid of thinking about things which are outside the thoughts of everyday life.


Thanks rush2ady! That's the kind of stuff ds has been looking at though I don't think we'd seen that website. He's watched videos on physics on youtube and stuff by Stephen Hawking. I agree with you!

 

I guess I'm questioning this more at this time because of his age and because of what others are telling him. I know he's always going to be the think outside the box type and I value that. And I'm glad he doesn't seem to care too much what others think about him. But I know for me to say to him that the children at school are probably right would pretty much crush this idea/dream. I'm not sure if I should head in that direction or just keep going the way we are.

 

post #8 of 13

dd is quirky and stands out. she has great social skills but she is too much a mixture of an older mature kid sometimes and younger than the kids so she gets teased quite a bit. plus 3rd grade is really catty. there is always going to be some bullying. 

 

i kinda am preparing my dd to be alone and to never give up. i talk to her and tell her if she sets her mind to it - yes i tell her directly - nothing can stop her achieving. i mean no one ever thought the mile could be run under a minute. einstein at ur son's age dreamt about what it would be like to travel with a beam of light. i also tell my dd that you also have to have something. you cant want to be a dancer if you have no talent. she understands that because she wants to be a swimmer and she has the talent. but she cant do the monkey bar.

 

i also talk about myself. i am myself back in school walking the untrodden path. she sees the process i am going thru now. she kinda sees the adult 'bullying' and how i deal with it. i think talking to our kids about our own life experiences is huge. 

 

i am so with Lynn - never, ever crush your child's fantasies. they will discover it themselves. 

 

i tell dd that its pretty lonely doing and believing in something no one else believes in. she relates to that with LOTR. 

 

i would never, ever say that probably they were right. never ever. because he may not build a time machine the way we are thinking of it. he might figure out something on those lines as an adult. 

 

remember inventors/discoverers - many of them, their ideas started at childhood. so i'd say never crush them beleiving in themselves. 

post #9 of 13

Me too.  This link goes not far off from your sons thoughts.  When we saw this show on TV, it made me think a lot

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-string.html

 

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I don't think time travel is so out of touch with reality as we might think!  There are some educational resources on this website that are really fascinating: andersoninstitute.com

 

post #10 of 13
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I guess mostly what I was wondering is if now that other people (the children at school) are telling him flat out that his ideas aren't possible and that he'll never do it should I maybe start saying something along the lines of well honey they are actually probably right. (Up til now we've done the helping him learn more thing in order to figure out his own ideas and just been supportive in general.)


What about a happy medium between "Well, you'll show them!" and "They're right, it's not possible"? Something like "A lot of people don't think it can be done." or "I don't think it can be done, but I might be wrong." I know he wants a clear answer, but the truth is "we don't know". I'd much rather spend time and energy working on helping him to come to terms with "we don't know" than on trying to convince him it's not possible.

 

Some kids are quirky. They're also really interesting, usually. It's hard to be an out of the box thinker because you don't think like everyone else (otherwise you wouldn't be an out of the box thinker!). But if we didn't have out of the box thinkers, the world would be a much less interesting place.

post #11 of 13
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Thanks everyone. I'll stick with saying the kinds of things Lynn suggested.

 

Meemee thanks for your words too. I'm also used to being/feeling very alone myself because of my own thoughts and feelings and sensitivities. It is hard and at times I feel it's made me very cynical but there is a positive side to it too. I will talk to ds more about those kinds of things too.

post #12 of 13

Have you read the book "The Highly Sensitive Child" by Elaine Aron? I found it very helpful for understanding myself and my children (and my mother, if that helps).

 

I joke that my dd has strong interpersonal skills and my ds has strong intrapersonal skills. I don't worry about him following the crowd. Instead, I worry about him because he doesn't.  I guess the bottom line is that I like to worry.Sheepish.gif

post #13 of 13
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Yep I've been following Aron's stuff since she first published The Highly Sensitive Person (long before ds was born) which I found for myself. Boy did it explain a lot and made me feel less alone. I was recently looking through the school age chapters in the HSC book since I think I last read it when he was about 3 or 4. I find it hard to find a balance between pushing my son (and myself) and just...not and leaving things the way they are. Especially since he seems quite happy with the way he is most of the time.

 

I like to worry too! lol

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