Can I get some opinions on my chart please

[Dandy Lion]

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/356f41/

A little background:

This is my cycle ttc, I've been on the pill/mirena/preggo for 11 years except for the one cycle when I got pregnant, and this is my first cycle off the pill.

My dd was conceived cd7, so I assume I ovulate early, but in my teens I had really irregular cycles. Sometimes AF would take 60 days +

Right now if my chart is on research or fertility awareness modes it says I ovulated on day 12. On advanced it now shows I ovulated on day 24. Which day do you think it is? Most of my signs seem to point to day 12 in my opinion, but there's still no AF and I'm getting BFNs.

Thanks a bunch!

[JMJ]

Well, I don't think it was CD 12.  Your temperature didn't stay up, and your CM didn't stay away.  You didn't ovulate then.  I'm thinking sometime between CD 23 and 26, but it will be hard to nail that down for sure.  Keep charting, and we might have more information.  The difficulty is pinpointing the start of your temperature rise.  You seem to have a slow upward progression from day 18 onwards, but it takes a while to rise from a low point.  In general, you're looking for three temperatures that are higher than the previous 6.  That would make the first day of temperature rise CD 23.  We would mark you low temperature level at about 97.55, your cover line at 97.65, and your high temperature level at 97.95.  Most people ovulate on or around the day before their temperature begins to rise.  However, a slow temperature rise (especially if your temperature isn't even above the cover line) could indicate that the temperature rise began slowly just prior to ovulation.  Basically, it is possible to ovulate within about 3 days of the start of your temperature rise.  On the other hand, with several temperatures leading up to it, it is likely that you ovulated by the time you reached the high temperature level on CD 26.

CD 26 also appears to be Peak Day for you.  There is even more research on the relationship between ovulation and Peak Day, and almost all women ovulate within 3 days of Peak Day.  Normally, with temperatures, we consider the date of ovulation to be the day before your temperature begins to rise, in your case CD 22.  However, given the slow temperature rise and the fact that it is more than 3 days away from Peak Day, I think it is highly likely that you did not actually ovulate on this day.  Your most likely days are CD 23, 24, or 25, and there is a reasonable chance of CD 26.  I think that FF's CD 24 guess is probably your best bet, and if it's off, it's not off by much more than a day.

[Dandy Lion]

Thanks so much for your input! On CD26 I was having terrible cramping, so maybe that was related to ovulation.

[JMJ]

It definitely may be related to ovulation.  Ovulation pain is something that is experienced by many women.  However, scientific attempts to use it to pinpoint ovulation have been unsuccessful.  It is clear that many women experience ovulation pain around the time of ovulation, but some women experience it before ovulation, others during, and others after.

[Jaimee]

I agree with JMJ that you did not on CD12.  When I first looked at your chart my first reaction was CD26.  Slow rise patterns can be frustrating to decipher, but I'm guessing that you'll see your pattern better over the next few days.   Like JMJ said, if you did not O on CD24 it was probably not far from it.    So if it were me, I would count from CD26 to avoid testing too soon.   That would put you at 2 DPO and counting!

[Dandy Lion]

Thanks! I don't know how accurate I have been at analyzing my CM. It's pretty new to me. Yesterday though I was wearing my diva cup because I was expecting AF, and it definitely had a creamy consistency, but I may have mistaken it for EW had I not been paying attention because it was slightly stretchy, just not as much as my usual EW. I did read in a few places that coming off the pill has a tendency to create erratic CM for a few months too. Basically, I hope I ovulated on either day 24 or 25 because of BD timing. I'm an optimist to the max!

[Jaimee]

Yes the BCP can greatly affect your CM.  One of the ways it protects against pregnancy is by drying up/thickening the cervical fluid.  This is reversible, but can definitely take time.

[JMJ]

Yes, the synthetic hormones still in your system can take a little while to wear off, and your body sometimes does some strange things as it is coming off of a BCP.  CM is not as good of an indicator when you are coming off of hormonal birth control, but the temperature record is usually pretty good.  Your temperature record certainly indicates ovulation.  It's just difficult to pinpoint exactly where, but I think that CD 24-25 is certainly a good guess.