Never sleeping. Ever. - Page 2

[elisheva]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Elishiva,
I am not vegetarian anymore. I have been eating about 15 oz of local beef a week for about 6 months. Ive been eating medium rare, but since Ive been pregnant, Ive been eating it medium. I cant imagine eating more, but do you think its enough to make sure she is getting enough b12 through my milk? Is there a b12 supplement for infants ( I know I took one while I was vegetarian.)

Hmmm. I don't know. This would be something to ask on the nutrition board, maybe?

re: More Milk Two. I've found that supply in pregnancy is SOOO individual. I never have any milk after 13 weeks until I get colostrum around week 26. But I know mums who say they have milk all the way through. I've tried supplementing with every safe thing you can imagine. Just remember your body may react differently than anyone else's.

[Emma Bryan Fuller]

My son...now 9yrs slept like this for the first two years on and off. I felt like the Doctors/friends thought I was making it up sometimes! I had my 2nd when he was 18 months old and nursed both. It was tough but nothing was wrong with him, so it seems. He is a bright boy now and sleeps on a normal schedule. I still mention it to him like I am not quite over it :) 

Hopefully it is a phase that will soon pass

[McGucks]

Sneaky molar!!!  And yay--maybe things will ease up now, for you both!

Based on what you said upstream, zero chance she has ASD.

Here's wishing you both better sleep!

[sosurreal09]

If it helps at all my DD nursed 4 hours straight (from 4am-8m) switching sides every 20 mins b/c her teeth hurt...

[APToddlerMama]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

I spoke with her ped who does not seem to think she has a dairy allergy. She shows no other signs of allergies unless you include poor weight gain, which her ped and both think she is healthy. She had was tested for iron and protien two weeks ago and she was fine with both, so I dont think she is not absorbing nutrients.

Just have a second and haven't been able to read the rest of the thread but I wanted to say your ped is the most unlikely person in the world to think your DD has any sort of dairy issue (which probably wouldn't be a true allergy anyhow).  My son saw a geneticist, neurologist, developmental ped, regular ped, and GI doctor--all who didn't think he had any issues with food.  And they were wrong.  Dairy is pretty easy to take out of a kid's diet and the results are much quicker usually than say gluten.  My DS was also tested for malabsorption and that was fine...also he was an absolute tank and around the 95th percentile for weight.  I'd give it a try... we saw results within about 48 hours.  Much easier to do at this age than later. 

[SeattleRain]

Op, if what you're saying is true about how she sleeps when you're not there, then I'd rule out any physical problem like allergies keeping her awake. It seems like from what you're saying, it's situational. I read once that around 9 months or so, awakenings for food in the middle of the night become full awakenings (as opposed to slight arousals when they're really little). Some babies are fine with the total awakening and then going back to sleep, which is why some babies do fine nursing through the night for a long time and still get a good amount of sleep. That doesn't seem like the case for your baby. It sounds like she's waking up, nursing, and then just being awake. If she knows she's not getting milk (when gma watches her or your partner watches her) then she doesn't bother to wake up. So nightweaning sounds like the answer.

When her other caregivers watch her, where does she sleep? They they co sleep with her also? How do they help her get to sleep? 

[Adaline'sMama]

Originally Posted by APToddlerMama 

Just have a second and haven't been able to read the rest of the thread but I wanted to say your ped is the most unlikely person in the world to think your DD has any sort of dairy issue (which probably wouldn't be a true allergy anyhow).  My son saw a geneticist, neurologist, developmental ped, regular ped, and GI doctor--all who didn't think he had any issues with food.  And they were wrong.  Dairy is pretty easy to take out of a kid's diet and the results are much quicker usually than say gluten.  My DS was also tested for malabsorption and that was fine...also he was an absolute tank and around the 95th percentile for weight.  I'd give it a try... we saw results within about 48 hours.  Much easier to do at this age than later. 

My ped is pretty awesome, and has two kids of her own with dairy allergies, so I trust her on this issue. I understand that most ped's dont look for allergies, but she does. She is a mama of five and pretty aware of lots of things that constantly surprise me There are alot of times that my DD foes 3 or 4 days without dairy though, since we really only eat hormone free dairy products and I cant buy too many of those locally.

Originally Posted by SeattleRain 

Op, if what you're saying is true about how she sleeps when you're not there, then I'd rule out any physical problem like allergies keeping her awake. It seems like from what you're saying, it's situational. I read once that around 9 months or so, awakenings for food in the middle of the night become full awakenings (as opposed to slight arousals when they're really little). Some babies are fine with the total awakening and then going back to sleep, which is why some babies do fine nursing through the night for a long time and still get a good amount of sleep. That doesn't seem like the case for your baby. It sounds like she's waking up, nursing, and then just being awake. If she knows she's not getting milk (when gma watches her or your partner watches her) then she doesn't bother to wake up. So nightweaning sounds like the answer.

When her other caregivers watch her, where does she sleep? They they co sleep with her also? How do they help her get to sleep? 

They do cosleep with her. Usually, she galls asleep on their chest, and then she is moved to the pack in play. (at gmas, DH just sleeps with her in the bed).

[heatherdeg]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Originally Posted by APToddlerMama 

Just have a second and haven't been able to read the rest of the thread but I wanted to say your ped is the most unlikely person in the world to think your DD has any sort of dairy issue (which probably wouldn't be a true allergy anyhow).  My son saw a geneticist, neurologist, developmental ped, regular ped, and GI doctor--all who didn't think he had any issues with food.  And they were wrong.  Dairy is pretty easy to take out of a kid's diet and the results are much quicker usually than say gluten.  My DS was also tested for malabsorption and that was fine...also he was an absolute tank and around the 95th percentile for weight.  I'd give it a try... we saw results within about 48 hours.  Much easier to do at this age than later. 

My ped is pretty awesome, and has two kids of her own with dairy allergies, so I trust her on this issue. I understand that most ped's dont look for allergies, but she does. She is a mama of five and pretty aware of lots of things that constantly surprise me  There are alot of times that my DD foes 3 or 4 days without dairy though, since we really only eat hormone free dairy products and I cant buy too many of those locally.

You know, it's awesome that you have a ped with some allergy experience and really, it sounds like your dd is probably dealing with a combo of teething and some kind of situation issue with their sleep; but the reality is that even great peds generally only know about allergies the way they've experienced it--either through their own kids/family or the kids in their practice where a parent has stumbled on it or it's arisen from somewhere else.  And really, I'm writing this less for you and more for someone else that might read this (because I often do a search and find an old thread).

Most peds look for allergies the way all mainstream Drs. tend to look for allergies.  They're looking for the typical signs.  My son showed NO signs of allergies, and yet, dairy protein was the reason he was just a "not snuggly" baby (other than nursing), never laid his head on my shoulder and never really looked at me.  TRACE amounts of dairy.  Nobody was more stunned than me.  But he didn't have diarrhea, he didn't have hives or rashes (or even eczema--an extremely common manifestation of dairy allergy) and really, we had close to NO dairy in our diet (I had eliminated it because I was nursing and he was colicky).

Specific food intolerances never showed a "typical" symptom in my son.  But they produced issues that so help me, people cannot imagine being tied to food.  And removing them took him from an infant that was suspected of cerebral palsy and deafness that was significantly developmentally delayed and had no clue a human was in the room, to a 7yo who presents as relatively neurotypical.  Catching him up has been a long journey and he still has some issues (although they are WAY less severe) but if not for a neurologist who saw the reaction in dairy and encouraged us to move down that path and an immunologist/allergist who also saw our son for himself and gave us EXCELLENT advice on "testing" for allergies (his exact words were "Remove the suspect and look for a reaction: it will beat a blood or skin test every time") I don't know where my son would be today.

It's not always typical; and too many doctors are hearing too many parents like me and saying "Yes, yes--it's possible and it DOES happen, but that's extremely rare.  That's not your child's problem."  And the children suffer.  

If your dd's weight ever becomes concerning, I hope you will consider this information.  It's not uncommon for food intolerances to interfere with growth.

[Abraisme]

Yes, it's totally possible that your supply is decreasing already.  I'm currently 17w, my supply started to dip around 8w and was pretty much gone by 12w.  My DD is still nursing, but we've had to adjust by eating more solids and encouraging more fluids.  From what I understand, there isn't much that you can do to increase supply while pregnant, it's greatly effected by the hormones. 
 

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Sosurreal,
I have ordered More Milk Two and it will be here next week. Does it work well? Have you tried it? Is there a chance that my supply could already be decreasing?

[SeattleRain]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Originally Posted by APToddlerMama 

Just have a second and haven't been able to read the rest of the thread but I wanted to say your ped is the most unlikely person in the world to think your DD has any sort of dairy issue (which probably wouldn't be a true allergy anyhow).  My son saw a geneticist, neurologist, developmental ped, regular ped, and GI doctor--all who didn't think he had any issues with food.  And they were wrong.  Dairy is pretty easy to take out of a kid's diet and the results are much quicker usually than say gluten.  My DS was also tested for malabsorption and that was fine...also he was an absolute tank and around the 95th percentile for weight.  I'd give it a try... we saw results within about 48 hours.  Much easier to do at this age than later. 

My ped is pretty awesome, and has two kids of her own with dairy allergies, so I trust her on this issue. I understand that most ped's dont look for allergies, but she does. She is a mama of five and pretty aware of lots of things that constantly surprise me There are alot of times that my DD foes 3 or 4 days without dairy though, since we really only eat hormone free dairy products and I cant buy too many of those locally.

Originally Posted by SeattleRain 

Op, if what you're saying is true about how she sleeps when you're not there, then I'd rule out any physical problem like allergies keeping her awake. It seems like from what you're saying, it's situational. I read once that around 9 months or so, awakenings for food in the middle of the night become full awakenings (as opposed to slight arousals when they're really little). Some babies are fine with the total awakening and then going back to sleep, which is why some babies do fine nursing through the night for a long time and still get a good amount of sleep. That doesn't seem like the case for your baby. It sounds like she's waking up, nursing, and then just being awake. If she knows she's not getting milk (when gma watches her or your partner watches her) then she doesn't bother to wake up. So nightweaning sounds like the answer.

When her other caregivers watch her, where does she sleep? They they co sleep with her also? How do they help her get to sleep? 

They do cosleep with her. Usually, she galls asleep on their chest, and then she is moved to the pack in play. (at gmas, DH just sleeps with her in the bed).

I wonder if maybe you should eliminate yourself from the sleep equation. If your DH can get a system where he can get her to go to sleep on his chest and then transfer her to her spot in the bed, then that could be the ticket. After she's asleep, you can get into bed and hopefully she'll do that 9 hour sleep stretch. If that's not working, then I would try gmas method of having her fall asleep on your chest and then moving her to a pack and play.

[APToddlerMama]

Originally Posted by heatherdeg 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

My ped is pretty awesome, and has two kids of her own with dairy allergies, so I trust her on this issue. I understand that most ped's dont look for allergies, but she does. She is a mama of five and pretty aware of lots of things that constantly surprise me  There are alot of times that my DD foes 3 or 4 days without dairy though, since we really only eat hormone free dairy products and I cant buy too many of those locally.

You know, it's awesome that you have a ped with some allergy experience and really, it sounds like your dd is probably dealing with a combo of teething and some kind of situation issue with their sleep; but the reality is that even great peds generally only know about allergies the way they've experienced it--either through their own kids/family or the kids in their practice where a parent has stumbled on it or it's arisen from somewhere else.  And really, I'm writing this less for you and more for someone else that might read this (because I often do a search and find an old thread).

Most peds look for allergies the way all mainstream Drs. tend to look for allergies.  They're looking for the typical signs.  My son showed NO signs of allergies, and yet, dairy protein was the reason he was just a "not snuggly" baby (other than nursing), never laid his head on my shoulder and never really looked at me.  TRACE amounts of dairy.  Nobody was more stunned than me.  But he didn't have diarrhea, he didn't have hives or rashes (or even eczema--an extremely common manifestation of dairy allergy) and really, we had close to NO dairy in our diet (I had eliminated it because I was nursing and he was colicky).

Specific food intolerances never showed a "typical" symptom in my son.  But they produced issues that so help me, people cannot imagine being tied to food.  And removing them took him from an infant that was suspected of cerebral palsy and deafness that was significantly developmentally delayed and had no clue a human was in the room, to a 7yo who presents as relatively neurotypical.  Catching him up has been a long journey and he still has some issues (although they are WAY less severe) but if not for a neurologist who saw the reaction in dairy and encouraged us to move down that path and an immunologist/allergist who also saw our son for himself and gave us EXCELLENT advice on "testing" for allergies (his exact words were "Remove the suspect and look for a reaction: it will beat a blood or skin test every time") I don't know where my son would be today.

It's not always typical; and too many doctors are hearing too many parents like me and saying "Yes, yes--it's possible and it DOES happen, but that's extremely rare.  That's not your child's problem."  And the children suffer.  

If your dd's weight ever becomes concerning, I hope you will consider this information.  It's not uncommon for food intolerances to interfere with growth.

Many good points, as usual!  DS didn't show any overt signs of dairy intolerance either and certainly has nothing like a dairy allergy.  It was a total shot in the dark after trying ten billion other things.  OP-- I understand if you don't want to give it a try, because I was highly resistant to it as well.  MIL started suggesting it when DS was three weeks old just because he was a cranky and had colic.  I blew her off and she pestered me for over a year about it.  It took literally less than 48 hours to see a huge difference that changed our lives entirely.   

[Adaline'sMama]

Thanks, I have tried it. She regularly goes days without dairy. We have gone several days without dairy on numerous occasions, since I dont buy dairy products that arent hormone free and those are hard to find were I live. So, I havent really noticed anything different for 48 hours, but I wasnt looking for it either. But, as of now (since I started this thread) she hasnt had any dairy or anything with traces of dairy for about 49 hours. We'll see, since I am going to go ahead and give it until Saturday, which will make it a week. If she still isnt sleeping, Im going to rule it out. As I said before, I dont think her weight gain is a problem, or the fact that she is small has anything to do with a food intolerance. I think its hereditary, since everyone on both sides of the family is very short and its not uncommon to have kids that are small. (Also, she measured way behind in utero as well, making doctors think that her due date was 5 weeks later than the day she was born, and she wasnt premature *to their shock and dismay*)

[Nicole730]

When my supply dropped at 7 weeks pregnant, my son's (he was 14 months) sleeping got horrendous.  He was wanting to nurse all night long.  Before that he would latch on, nurse for a minute or two and go back to sleep.  When I had dwindling supply he was latching on and staying latched for well over an hour.  I agree with the PPs that suggest trying to have her fall asleep without you or sleep somewhat separated from you. 

[APToddlerMama]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Thanks, I have tried it. She regularly goes days without dairy. We have gone several days without dairy on numerous occasions, since I dont buy dairy products that arent hormone free and those are hard to find were I live. So, I havent really noticed anything different for 48 hours, but I wasnt looking for it either. But, as of now (since I started this thread) she hasnt had any dairy or anything with traces of dairy for about 49 hours. We'll see, since I am going to go ahead and give it until Saturday, which will make it a week. If she still isnt sleeping, Im going to rule it out. As I said before, I dont think her weight gain is a problem, or the fact that she is small has anything to do with a food intolerance. I think its hereditary, since everyone on both sides of the family is very short and its not uncommon to have kids that are small. (Also, she measured way behind in utero as well, making doctors think that her due date was 5 weeks later than the day she was born, and she wasnt premature *to their shock and dismay*)

I get that you're not interested, but I am posting this just to be in clear in case someone else is.  48 hours is on the very short end.  It can take 6 weeks for changes to be seen when pulling dairy and much much longer with gluten and some other foods. 
 

[SeattleRain]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Thanks, I have tried it. She regularly goes days without dairy. We have gone several days without dairy on numerous occasions, since I dont buy dairy products that arent hormone free and those are hard to find were I live. So, I havent really noticed anything different for 48 hours, but I wasnt looking for it either. But, as of now (since I started this thread) she hasnt had any dairy or anything with traces of dairy for about 49 hours. We'll see, since I am going to go ahead and give it until Saturday, which will make it a week. If she still isnt sleeping, Im going to rule it out. As I said before, I dont think her weight gain is a problem, or the fact that she is small has anything to do with a food intolerance. I think its hereditary, since everyone on both sides of the family is very short and its not uncommon to have kids that are small. (Also, she measured way behind in utero as well, making doctors think that her due date was 5 weeks later than the day she was born, and she wasnt premature *to their shock and dismay*)

I think you're right to be not super concerned that she's small. My son is very small as well (11.5 months, 18lbs, 28") and my doctor chocks it up to him having a very high energy need. He never sits and plays with a toy, he's constantly crawling and cruising and moving, burning a ton of calories. He's a good eater, but not a huge quantity eater, so he doesn't put on weight quickly or easily. Daniel is a great sleeper, though, so that makes him a little different from your daughter, but I just thought it was similar that maybe our kids both have high energy needs. It seems like she's just wired all the time and not sleeping or settling, Daniel can be like that too.