Thank you Angela for that post! Its a great example of making yourself clear without resorting to snark.
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is yet another perfect example of the sarcasm that I was referring to.
Thank you Angela for that post! Its a great example of making yourself clear without resorting to snark.
This;
is yet another perfect example of the sarcasm that I was referring to.
Though you did not ask, I will edit what you deemed to be snark (while ignoring the validity of the questions that I asked). I guess for many of us, the constant mincing of words while ignoring the big issues is what brings on all the supposed "snark". Honest questions have been asked and have yet to be met with honest answers. There was nothing in my questions, themselves, that were snarky in any way. You went out of your way to highlight specific aspects of the UA with which we must comply. The community is asking for Peggy to treat us as respectfully as you all expect us to treat one another.
MoonWillow, I'm going to try to say this respectfully. It looks like you are stonewalling on behalf of Peggy O, over snark that is so light it barely qualifies as snark, let alone "harassment." I don't know if that is your intent, and I hope it isn't. Peggy O's response was mincing, and looked quite frankly dishonest. I'm not surprised it isn't being warmly received, and once again, queer parents feel put down by MDC. Including their own moderator. Great. If Peggy O wants to come in and clarify, it's not like people don't want to hear it. They've been waiting for an explanation for years. Amma_Mama's questions were actually very good, and I'd like to hear an answer to them.
Though you did not ask, I will edit what you deemed to be snark (while ignoring the validity of the questions that I asked). I guess for many of us, the constant mincing of words while ignoring the big issues is what brings on all the supposed "snark". Honest questions have been asked and have yet to be met with honest answers. There was nothing in my questions, themselves, that were snarky in any way. You went out of your way to highlight specific aspects of the UA with which we must comply. The community is asking for Peggy to treat us as respectfully as you all expect us to treat one another.
I did not "ignore the validity" of your questions. They weren't posed to me. And I did not go out of my way to point out UAVs. I've been modding this thread for weeks (which is my job). Also, you say that the answers thus far have not been honest but that is a BIG assumption (an incorrect one at that).
All that *I* am asking is that members post without making user agreement violations, which they agreed to do when registering for an account here in the first place.
Thank you.
MoonWillow, I'm going to try to say this respectfully. It looks like you are stonewalling on behalf of Peggy O, over snark that is so light it barely qualifies as snark, let alone "harassment." I don't know if that is your intent, and I hope it isn't. Peggy O's response was mincing, and looked quite frankly dishonest. I'm not surprised it isn't being warmly received, and once again, queer parents feel put down by MDC. Including their own moderator. Great. If Peggy O wants to come in and clarify, it's not like people don't want to hear it. They've been waiting for an explanation for years. Amma_Mama's questions were actually very good, and I'd like to hear an answer to them.
I am not answering for Peggy at all. I am moderating the thread which I allowed to go off topic in the first place in order to help with how people in this forum were feeling. Please don't accuse me of disrespecting the queer parents here. They have been very respectful the whole time and its been my understanding that they like and appreciate me as well. If they feel otherwise then I am sure they will let me know.
I am not answering for Peggy at all. I am moderating the thread which I allowed to go off topic in the first place in order to help with how people in this forum were feeling. Please don't accuse me of disrespecting the queer parents here. They have been very respectful the whole time and its been my understanding that they like and appreciate me as well. If they feel otherwise then I am sure they will let me know.
Um, the queer parenting community here has felt very betrayed by MDC as of late. Slapping them on the wrists for having chilly responses to a lukewarm explanation was not necessary or productive. Peggy o is an adult and what was said here hardly qualifies as harassment. She ought to come answer the questions. Your threats to shut down the thread are reminiscent of the old UA and heavy-handed moderation.
Um, the queer parenting community here has felt very betrayed by MDC as of late. Slapping them on the wrists for having chilly responses to a lukewarm explanation was not necessary or productive. Peggy o is an adult and what was said here hardly qualifies as harassment. She ought to come answer the questions. Your threats to shut down the thread are reminiscent of the old UA and heavy-handed moderation.
But you made it personally about me as a mod so that is what I addressed. I'm not making threats and the fact that this thread remains up on the board for anyone to read is evidence that I am not modding "the old way". And the people who are not posting in a respectful way are not regular posters here in QP (who, as I said have been very respectful).
But you made it personally about me as a mod so that is what I addressed. I'm not making threats and the fact that this thread remains up on the board for anyone to read is evidence that I am not modding "the old way". And the people who are not posting in a respectful way are not regular posters here in QP (who, as I said have been very respectful).
I wasn't aware that you somehow had to be a regular in this particular forum to be a queer parent. Well, my apologies. You took very direct issue with certain posters and named names and precisely pointed out what annoyed you. Posters cannot do the same? I don't think the members of MDC owe sickly sweet tip toeing to Peggy O on this issue anymore. No one has committed slander or libel against her, nor have they threatened her. They haven't even called her names. You're dividing posters into camps of who gets a gold star for being nice and who gets a frowny face for being not so nice. It would be far more effective for Peggy to just come and clarify.
I know why the thread "branched out" and its fine. I just wanted to point out that the QP "regulars" have maintained a respectful atmosphere in their posting behavior.
I wasn't aware that you somehow had to be a regular in this particular forum to be a queer parent. Well, my apologies. You took very direct issue with certain posters and named names and precisely pointed out what annoyed you. Posters cannot do the same? I don't think the members of MDC owe sickly sweet tip toeing to Peggy O on this issue anymore. No one has committed slander or libel against her, nor have they threatened her. They haven't even called her names. You're dividing posters into camps of who gets a gold star for being nice and who gets a frowny face for being not so nice. It would be far more effective for Peggy to just come and clarify.
Peggy will come back if/when she decides to. Until then the fun falls to me. Obviously you don't have to be a queer parent to post here. My previous post addresses this. Yea I called out certain people and have also been called out, no posts have been deleted from this thread. I never asked for sweet tip toeing, just staying within the UA.
I didn't know I could give out gold stars, sweet!
In the interest of getting this thread back on topic I thought I'd summarize the questions here. I apologize that multi-quote isn't working for me so a few may be out of order.
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I am new here. But I am absolutely a queer parent. As for the sarcasm, that is just how I talk.
Peggy will come back if/when she decides to. Until then the fun falls to me. Obviously you don't have to be a queer parent to post here. My previous post addresses this. Yea I called out certain people and have also been called out, no posts have been deleted from this thread. I never asked for sweet tip toeing, just staying within the UA.
I didn't know I could give out gold stars, sweet!
It wasn't intended as snark.
It wasn't intended as snark.
It wasn't? Not that I mind, but really, it wasn't?
It wasn't? Not that I mind, but really, it wasn't?
It really wasn't. It was an attempt at lighthearted humor, but if people are taking it differently then I'm certainly not going to let the thread derail over it and I will edit accordingly.
I was very upset when I read Peggy's response and wanted to take a few days to collect my thoughts on this. MusicianDad, amma_mama, and others have posted many of my questions. Thank you and I second your questions.
MoonWillow, thank you for summarizing the questions so far. My questions below are in addition to the ones you've summarized.
In the interest of getting this thread back on topic I thought I'd summarize the questions here. I apologize that multi-quote isn't working for me so a few may be out of order.
1. Peggy, in your response, you wrote: "I'm not ashamed to be on the advisory board for Alive and Well. I'm concerned about the issues facing HIV positive pregnant and breastfeeding moms and want to support parents making informed choices about mandatory medication in any arena. I'm not going to resign from the board."
Can you please clarify if you support all of the ideas, positions, and information of Alive and Well or whether you are only concerned with the issues facing HIV positive pregnant and breastfeeding moms and wanting to support parents making informed choices about mandatory medication? If you don't support all of the ideas, positions, and information of Alive and Well, can you please further explain your comfort in remaining on their board? From an outside perspective, I think it's a common assumptions that board members of any organization support the values, ideas, positions of that organization.
2. Peggy, I don't know a lot about your other than your having been the editor and publisher of Mothering. Can you please provide information about your personal and professional experience with HIV positive pregnant and breastfeeding moms (e.g. have you talked with any moms with HIV in the US? in Africa? have you received any training on this and from whom? Have you participated in or read any scientific research on this matter and, if so, what?) Also could you please provide us with your professional and/or academic training regarding HIV and AIDS in general?
Um, the queer parenting community here has felt very betrayed by MDC as of late.
I second this completely.
Thank you, HappyHappyMommy, for articulating what I wanted to say. I, too, was sitting with thoughts from this thread for the last several days and was trying to come up with a response. And I third the motion that the queer parenting community here has felt very betrayed by MDC as of late.
I'm not interested in defending myself any longer. I had hoped to have a conversation about the issues you are concerned about regarding HIV/AIDS, but rather this thread continues to be about my character.
I understand that some of us have a disagreement about HIV/AIDS and I accept that. However, I don't consider this thread to be an open exchange of ideas and opinions and neither do I experience an atmosphere of respect and courtesy here.
So, I'm out. This is my last post on this thread.
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