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  • 56% (416)
    I think the current minimal moderation is great. It allows members the freedom to express their opinions without fear of their thread being shut down or a warning issued. Discussions of all types should be permitted and the community should be allowed to respond with their opinions unrestricted. I feel there are some situations where heavy moderation may be necessary but these are very few (explain).
  • 27% (204)
    I do not like the minimal moderation and feel that it is leading to problems. To help protect the integrity of the forums and make the community a comfortable place to post we need the moderators to return to their previous moderation approach. They should oversee discussions more and remove things that are mean, snarky, sarcastic, and harassing. They should remove threads and posts that are against Mothering's parenting philosophies. Members who refuse to post appropriately should be moderated and those who persist in such behavior should be warned consistently and, if necessary, their membership removed.
  • 15% (114)
    Other (explain what sort of moderation you think should be in place)
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post #281 of 612

I am an old timer here.  I have watched as over moderation has all but killed this board, made worse by the changes in the user interface.  

 

In the old MDC that I came to love, it was perfectly alright to have somebody disagree with you.  What made this place a sanctuary was that you weren't the ONLY person that held an opinion lined up with AP/NFL, and for many of us, in our real lives, we were the ONLY person with that opinion and felt very isolated. People don't go to sanctuaries to cower, they go there to calm down, think, discuss, and solidify their beliefs so that they can be stronger when they go back out into the regular world.

 

"Support only" should never be blind support.  It should be supporting the person enough to be concerned about how they will view the events in hindsight, showing them a more honest picture of what is in front of them so they can make the best decision for them.  If the voices that point out the obstacles are silenced, there is a much greater risk of the person slamming into the obstacles and getting hurt.  Support is not always easy, or gentle, or what the person wants to hear, but when it is done out of concern, it is still important to the process of making decisions.

 

The problem with the lack of dissent, in politics, in message boards, in life as a whole, is that we tend to get caught in an echo chamber of our own beliefs and stop realizing that there is a world out there and people have other, just as reasoned, opinions. (even if you don't agree with the reasoning, you assume that "if the person only knew the truth, they would think like I do")  You forget that they believe just as passionately that they are right and you are wrong. A single minded echo chamber makes us too comfortable, makes us stop evaluating how things really are from a balanced POV.  Think of your favorite political pundit, and your least favorite;  if you live in an area where one is valued highly and the other is seen as a nut, and everybody around you agrees with that POV, there is a much great chance you will stop evaluating what the valued pundit says, and it moves from "agree with them" to "follow them" to "follow them blindly".  When the echo chamber surrounds us, we get lazy, we stop thinking, and that can have disastrous consequences.

 

I don't know if is even possible to regain the MDC of old, but I know that if there is even a chance of it happening, that the heavy moderation HAS to stop.  As old timers check in on their old haunt, if they, like I, discover that there is an effort to recapture the adult, mature atmosphere that used to exist, they, like I, might hang out a bit more often to see if it happens.  As it stands now, I come back, look around for threads that interest me, but don't park and continually converse like I used to, because it frustrates me too much.

 

post #282 of 612

i am now even more confused than before.  please clarify for me:

so mdc has relaxed the moderation policy, which has been discussed to death in many places.  then posters who were assuming that the moderation policy was such that mdc has pretty much become a free-for-all -- through observation of several threads-- posted something and were banned?  what?  and i cannot even tell what is in the thread that the mod posted, b/c all the posts that were offensive seem to have been removed.

you cannot simultaneously say there are no rules and then smack people down when they cross an invisible line.  that makes even less sense than anything i've seen so far.  please explain this.

post #283 of 612

 

 

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You said that you are against seat belt laws, and you dislike that supporters of the law often say that injuries and deaths caused by not wearing seat belts cost taxpayers money. If seat belt laws were repealed, and injuries and deaths did, indeed, cause taxpayers more money, that would not have anything to do with whether money is being inappropriately spent elsewhere.

 

I think you're not understanding what I'm saying...I don't think it's your fault, I think we're just missing each other entirely.

 

 

 

 

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Where would this money come from if there were no taxes? There are mamas on MDC who use government assistance. Are you against food stamps? Medicaid/Medicare?

 

I do not believe in foreign aide. I do not believe in most foreign entanglements. I do not believe in Medicaid/Medicare or foodstamps. I do not believe in government housing, unemployment, etc. I do not believe in mega corporations. I do not believe in public schools. I do not believe in grocery stores and mega farms. I do not believe in the mall. I do not believe in TV. I do not believe in the government telling me how/when/who I can marry. I do not believe in elections. I do not believe in law enforement outside of the original intention for LEOs, which was to serve as peace officers. I do not believe in lines on a map that say "I live in this country and you live in that one, so we are different" and entitled to different things. the list goes on and on and on....here's the thing:

 

I DO believe in PEOPLE and in the EARTH.....I believe that if people are left alone, they know how to govern themselves. I believe that when people live regionally in self sufficient/governing communities that have their own schools, farms, tradesmen/women and resources to trade with other communities, everyone ends up richer. I believe that the invention of money and government has warped people on a fundemental level and has created chaos in our world and that most of the people who wander the earth in misery and anger are really victims of this horrible plauge of "money life" and being ruled from the top down by the richest and most powerful 1% of beings on this earth. If you do not realize that the top 1% of beings on this earth rule you, you have a lot of thinking to do. This way of being, the societal constructs we have created, made us forget who we are and why we are so wonderful.

 

I do not believe in the society which creates the need for things like aide from the government. Show of hands (not on the board, just you in your chair at home) how many people who are on assistance would even need assistance if it were possible for the average american family to support itself in a true middle class lifestyle on one income? If our monetary system (the FIAT/Federal Reserve System) weren't so horribly defective, our economic situation would not BEGIN, EXIST and END in inflation and would not require an ever growing percentage of the money you make to go to taxes. It's not just the 25% that goes "poof" from your paycheck....after food tax, transportation associated tax (gas, car registration, etc), Property tax, the energy taxes you pay on your utility bills....on and on  and on...what percentage of your salary actually goes to your pocket? Into your childrens bellies?  If most or all of what you made actually ended up in your pocket, you wouldn't need food stamps. If our governments did not send us to war, based off the boogey man ghost stories they tell us with the news channel lie machines, so they can secure mineral/oil/resource rich locations around the world and enslave the peoples who live there into practically slave labor with the IMF/World Bank loans, er, sorry, "aide" that they give them to keep them in the area to WORK the mines/factories/oil fields they secured in the warring...we wouldn't need a defense budget and billions in tax collection to begin with. In modern history (and really, even before that) there has not been a single war or major conflict that was fought for the reason the history books tell you we fought it. What is it they say, he who wins the war writes the history? Even the "good ole wars" where we had delightfully easy to hate villains are bogus. Revolutionary War - Rich men on the British side and American side funded both sides of this war and made out like bandits. Hilter? Please, nazis were funded from both sides (Actually, George Bushs family was really into Nazi funding). Pearl Harbor, the "terrorist" act that got us into WWII? Yeah, superimpose September 11th truth on the Pearl Harbor attacks and understand it was the same thing.

 

No money means you need government health care....government health care skews the cost of healthcare....in turn, private insurance costs are driven up...and less poeple can afford health care....because they have no money...and on and on. Crime is very similar....socioeconomic causes and solutions and causes and solutions and roud and round we go. You can trace perfect lines between young mothers in labor and delivery wards in inner city areas and jail cells.....and back again. Yes, all of these things, this wall of text above...are all connected, because they paint the same picture.

 

IN CLOSING:

 

There are a million different ways I can spell this out. It seems wild and out there and totally crazy...until you funnel everything aobut life around us down to it's beginning building blocks. Those who desired power and money, got it. They wanted to keep it, so they constructed ways to regulate the masses in "society"....so that there work could be harnessed, turned into money (which doesn't actually exist, if you really think about it) and used to keep the rich and powerful, well, rich and powerful. The top 1% from the old days (in some cases, the REALLY way back old days) can actually be traced via lineage and in some cases DNA, to many of the same 1% who rule our world in money and power NOW. The "haves" made sure they kept "having"...on the backs of the "have nots"....most of whom are either living in poverty somewhere in the world with no voice, or are so satisfied by a house in the suburbs and a subaru in the driveway, that they don't realize that everything they know about who they are and what they want to be in this world, was told to them in some fashion, by a society that is geared toward keeping you as happy as you have to be, to get up everyday and punch in at the office, keep having babies and vote every election...as if you have a choice in all of this.

 

I'm not saying there is no happiness or that "you are living a lie, you think you're happy but your not" - I'm saying that it is actually not human nature to war, enslave through taxation and mandate and desire power over others. Anyone who tells you it's human nature, is repeating a lie they were told by someone who repeated a lie they were told, etc. Humans are good and beautiful. Humans possess incredible stregth that we do not use. Humans do not need seatbelt laws and wildly bloated federal governments telling them how to live. But we have these things because of the machinery we are all caught up in, for the endless pursuit of money and status and because we create governments to tell us what to do, because governments tell us we can't govern ourselves.

 

Our society is built around rules that were designed to keep most people working and not paying attention....and a few people very rich and powerful. Period. It is VERY sad to me that so many people die as a result of preventable death attributed to non-use of seatbelts. But that sadness is not greater than my sadness at the loss of that one more little teeny, tiny bit of my personal freedom that is signed away from me at the hands of "democrazy" and "progress". < ----- THAT is what I'm trying to say, re: seatbelt laws.

 

 

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Um, no. He was raised in Arizona Territory....a.k.a. The Wild West. He was behaving immorally and trampling others before the law arrived there.

 

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm not saying the construct is the law....I'm saying the whole reality you see around you, that Billy saw around him...the nature of life and what it means to be human in a "society"....the very idea of  "the law man"...that was constructed and born out of Babylon (If you don't know what the Babylon System is, look it up. It's hard to side step some of the kind of ooky "religious based" sites about it, but if you look, you can find just good clean information and it's worth looking for) is the construct that we are, that Bill was, a product of and that you cannot point to the product of this societal idea which has been promoted and continued since Babylon and say that any despicable person who lives against this construct of society proves that we need the societal construct. That's crazy. I'm saying that he, just like you and I, was a product of what we have been told is this reality....where masses of people hand over their rights, to be governed by a select few individuals, where laws and "societal norms" take precedent over individual freedom and people enjoying what it means to be alive. Some "products" of this societal construct turn out like you and me, we can adapt and live in this way that is counter to human nature. Some people cannot.

 

 

If you work 9-5 in an office pushing paper, if you are a government employee auditing tax forms, if you are in any way dissatisfied with what you are doing....realize that you are doing it for money, so that you will not be poor and hungry...now realize that you spend most of your life working, sleeping, driving and watching TV (if you are the average Western Human).

 

Now, ask yourself: if you landed here on a completely human-free earth with no buildings and no society, etc, a brand new human with nothing but endless possibility and a whole beautiful, clean, peaceful world to live in....and you were in charge of rebuilding it...would you make certain that the world you made had enough highways and mega corporations, so that you could sit in traffic and push completely meangingless paperwork around? No, you wouldn't, because you are in the bottom 99% of humans on this earth who want to live and enjoy life WITH you fellow man instead of ON THE BACKS OF your fellow man. The only people who would design this world are crazy, confused or in the top 1% who really don't see a problem with this giant chess board of money and power they get to play on. None of us would make this world what it is, but you don't have a choice, because this is the world that has been built for you and you were born into it and while a lucky few bend all the rules and live a wild existence that totally is all about enjoyment of this earth and life....the most of us will whittle away our lives doing the mundane things we "have to do" so we can afford to squeeze in the things we WANT to do...like lay on our backs and look at clouds with our kids or sew dresses to sell at the farmers market.

 

The problem is, this world was MADE for laying on our backs looking at clouds, sewing pretty dresses for farmers markets and exploring the needs, desires and unique blessings/skills we each have and building a life around them that makes us happy and fulfilled at our core. Putting food on your table doesn't have to mean trading your Life Energy for meaningless paper, so that you can give most of it to a government that tells you what to do all the time even though you are not a criminal or madman and use the rest of it to avoid hunger and exposing your children to the elements. Everyone has skills, everyone can use their Life Energy to spend their days engaged in the work of living. We don't need money and we don't need governments. This world is an abundant place. Society/money/power is the management of that abundance in accordance with rules that suck. If everyone was aware of their PERSONAL POWER we wouldn't have governments...only peace and lives spend engaged in meaningful work and happiness.

 

Seatbelt laws are just a small part of the silly distraction from true living that our whole world has become. That's all I'm saying. I know it took a lot of words to say it. But I can't help myself, I've never been called concise. If anyone is actually interested in continuing this discussion elsewhere, start a thread, I love talking to mamas on this board about the nature of life....but I agree it's time to stop threadjacking, so I will bow out of this topic of conversation on this thread. Nice talking with you.

 

post #284 of 612
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Originally Posted by hildare View Post

and i cannot even tell what is in the thread that the mod posted, b/c all the posts that were offensive seem to have been removed.

No posts have been removed, as far as I can tell. The offensive posts are all still there.
post #285 of 612
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Originally Posted by mimim View Post

No posts have been removed, as far as I can tell. The offensive posts are all still there.

 

Yep, they're all still there, they're just not identifiable as "offensive," and certainly not "ban-worthy," to many people. 

post #286 of 612
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Originally Posted by AverysMomma View Post


Hi APToddlerMama, thank you for speaking to me with such a mellow tone even though I was being crazy and angry. I agree that there have been women who have encouraged what I would consider "dangerously uneducated" women who were planning to UC....but I can honestly say that in each and every one of those cases, other hardcore UC mamas have stepped up and said "Actually, I think this sounds realllly yucky and I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to seek immediate help. Don't mess around and end up really sorry" - UC at all costs cannot be the mantra....but "UC should be frowned upon" shouldn't be the mantra either. Go to a mainstream forum and watch as hordes of women sit around and talk about homebirthers like they are baby killers "Homebirth is so dangerous, why would anyone take that risk when they don't need to" - these women clearly don't understand the desire to homebirth. Why do I have to face that same judgement here on MDC from homebirthing mamas? "UC is so dangerous, why would anyone take that risk when they don't need to" - these women clearly don't understand the desire to UC.....it's the exact same level of ignorance.

 



I agree with you and you obviously have researched UC and feel its right for you.  You are right that there are people who have stood up and said to the dangerously uneducated women planning UC that it is a bad idea.  Unfortunately in the mix has been some people who continue to advocate for it in what seems to be all cases. If you've checked the UC board within the past few months I know you know who I'm talking about specifically.  That person has been so vocal and so revolting really in her suggestions that it has led me to do something I had never done before very recently which was to post on the UC board.  I think that is where a number of us are coming from...  We aren't against mothers choosing how to birth and we aren't going to categorically say UC is dangerous, but when there is such a loud, intense, and sickening advocate constantly pushing it down the throats of women who are clearly uniformed, we've decided to say something.  Regardless, I am on the same page with UCers like you who really are making conscious and researched choices so I hope you don't find it offensive when I or others who feel similarly decide to pipe up when suggestions are so outlandish that even other UCers are saying the UC isn't a good idea for a specific woman. 

 

And FWIW, I think that is really great of you to own your post from yesterday.  I've seen far worse and more offensive posts and can understand where your anger was coming from, but I still think it was really big of you to do. 

 

post #287 of 612
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One thing I would like to see here with respect to moderation is a greater acceptance of empirical research. I cannot comment on the UC board in particular because it is of no interest to me. However, I have sat back in horror many times as I watched grossly misinformed posters be allowed to present dangerous ideas as if they were scientifically proven facts. If ever there were a time and place to intervene and control a discussion, this would be the it. I shudder to think of what could happen if an AIDS patient stumbled upon the thread about NaCIO having the ability to cure AIDS and decided to give it a try?  What if an HIV+ mother saw Christine Maggiore on the cover of Mothering  and decided that she too was going to take up AIDS Denialism and refuse treatment for her HIV+ child? I am absolutely for the presentation of differing ideas, opinions, and theories, but there needs to be greater oversight in allowing downright false and negligent discussion be presented as fact.  Just because MDC has absolved itself from any legal responsibility pertaining to "medical" advice given out on this board, does not exemplify it from having a moral and ethical obligation to protect the community as a whole. Allowing the wholesale promulgation of outright lies and dangerous practices is a grave mistake. 

 


This. This exactly. 

 

 

post #288 of 612

Well ... I didn't understand.  All the posts on the "sex with ex" thread are still there.  I am really perplexed that this kind of language is considered OK on MDC now.  :(    It's really Ok with people?? I can't believe it.

 

 

 

 

post #289 of 612
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post



 

Yep, they're all still there, they're just not identifiable as "offensive," and certainly not "ban-worthy," to many people. 


IMO, there was only one poster who was out-of-line offensive. That thread alone shouldn't have been enough to get more than a warning, but I suspect we'd find lots more if we reviewed her posts.
post #290 of 612
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Originally Posted by AverysMomma View Post

 

I do not believe in foreign aide. I do not believe in most foreign entanglements. I do not believe in Medicaid/Medicare or foodstamps. I do not believe in government housing, unemployment, etc. I do not believe in mega corporations. I do not believe in public schools. I do not believe in grocery stores and mega farms. I do not believe in the mall. I do not believe in TV. I do not believe in the government telling me how/when/who I can marry. I do not believe in elections. I do not believe in law enforement outside of the original intention for LEOs, which was to serve as peace officers. I do not believe in lines on a map that say "I live in this country and you live in that one, so we are different" and entitled to different things. the list goes on and on and on....here's the thing:

 


Do you believe in lower life expectancies and lower quality of life? How about higher infant mortality rate? I sincerely hope so. 

 

Oh and DH wants to know if you are Michelle Bachmann. (I don't think that is a compliment)

 

post #291 of 612
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post



 

Yep, they're all still there, they're just not identifiable as "offensive," and certainly not "ban-worthy," to many people. 


 

When I read the thread earlier this morning, it was much shorter and it now looks like posts were missing.  Now the thread is almost twice as long (and not just with this afternoon's posts). 

post #292 of 612
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post



 

Yep, they're all still there, they're just not identifiable as "offensive," and certainly not "ban-worthy," to many people. 




IMO, there was only one poster who was out-of-line offensive. That thread alone shouldn't have been enough to get more than a warning, but I suspect we'd find lots more if we reviewed her posts.

 

HBM and Ornery were not banned because of the "sex with ex" thread but because they strongly called for MDC to issue an official apology for all the offensive choices in threads and advertising choices made in the last few weeks.

 

I'm guessing that no apology will be forthcoming.
 

 

post #293 of 612
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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post



 

HBM and Ornery were not banned because of the "sex with ex" thread but because they strongly called for MDC to issue an official apology for all the offensive choices in threads and advertising choices made in the last few weeks.

 

I'm guessing that no apology will be forthcoming.
 

 


HollyBearsMom is online now and participating in this thread. Was she banned and has had the ban revoked?

And Ornery didn't post on the sex with an ex thread.

FTR - I think it should take a lot to get banned and questioning policies in a constructive way should never warrant banning, but I do think that members who post repeatedly in an inflammatory tone need to get the boot.
post #294 of 612
I think I've heard the death toll for MDC. I've gotta say. I've "only" been here for 5 years actively posting. But it was nice to have a popular and "safe" community with AP principles and NFL. Of course I have not always been happy with the overmoderation at times, like when I would get in trouble for supposedly attacking someone and I was attacking an idea that was strictly against the UA. I think we should be allowed to talk about things like sex, within reason (it is a public board, after all, and we are adults!). But once the magazine went under and the format changed...most of the civil posters seem to have disappeared. I won't even venture into most of the forums at all anymore, but stick to a couple of threads that are still doing nicely. I don't know how much longer that will last.

I find the current attitude absolutely disturbing. Seems more like what I've heard about TWS than MDC. Or even, Gods forbid, Babycenter.
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I absolutely do not think that the new moderation level has been what has sent people running.  It is the board's overall clunkiness, coupled with multiple very poor decisions done by Mothering.  The way the magazine was shut down, the invasion of board member's privacy (remember the searchable emails and all the threads being posted on FB - not just the featured ones were on there - all of them were under one of the tabs on FB), the constant shilling for advertisers, and mostly the devotion to the almighty dollar seen here lately has run people off.


I agree to a point. I do think the lack of moderation has definitely hurt things, though.
post #295 of 612
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Really? I think as of late MDC needs to work harder at keeping the religious bigotry and racism off the site. The CAC, even during heavily moderated days, had a lot of veiled anti-Semitism that gave me the creeps. If I had gone to Storm Front I don't think I could have dealt with nastier people.

 


It's not anti-Semitism to want to protect all babies. 

 

post #296 of 612
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It's not anti-Semitism to want to protect all babies. 

 


It is when posters condemn Jewish people and their religion and accuse them of being barbaric baby rapers as has happened. Paternalism and majority privilege- you have it!

 

post #297 of 612

I'm really on the fence.  When I meet people in real life, there is always a certain level of politeness and civility in play.  When I am on a message board where I'm talking to people I don't really know, I want the same sort of thing.  But often on message boards or anywhere there can be comments in response to something, people become vicious.  Instead of walking out my door and just smiling at people, like I might, it's like I've jumped into a shark tank and am punching sharks in the nose as fast as I can, trying not to get bitten.  I've been on message boards like that, before I was on Mothering.  I don't want a free-for-all, but I'd like it to be open where we can host discussions where actual discussions are taking place even if there is some tense conversation.  

 

However, I don't think that this site will ever be like it was back before 2001 when it was a much smaller, more intimate group. People are always going to come in not really participating in conversation, just trying to make a few points, and I think that is when message boards start to resemble a youtube comment stream where people just say the rudest things they can.  I think there has to be some moderation to get it to be something decent, but too much just means people don't start threads because they know they can't say much anyway.  I don't know, it's a tough call.  However, I do want to be able to talk about certain topics, like sex.

post #298 of 612
I looked at the poll and the majority of the people think the less moderation is good. But there is a large section who wants more and some who want a little more. So, for those who are looking for something else, what suggestions do you have and where do you want the line to be drawn?
post #299 of 612
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Originally Posted by QueenOfTheMeadow View Post

I looked at the poll and the majority of the people think the less moderation is good. But there is a large section who wants more and some who want a little more. So, for those who are looking for something else, what suggestions do you have and where do you want the line to be drawn?


This thread has so much baggage that you may want to start a new one if you actually want answers.  I think it would be easier than to sift through all the OT conversations people are having...

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Originally Posted by Chamomile Girl View Post



 

HBM and Ornery were not banned because of the "sex with ex" thread but because they strongly called for MDC to issue an official apology for all the offensive choices in threads and advertising choices made in the last few weeks.

 

I'm guessing that no apology will be forthcoming.
 

 


I can't see an apology coming either.  MDC will just keep banning people who call them out on their horrendous choices (which MDC will continue to blame on others) and eventually there will be no one left or everyone left will be to terrified to say anything.

 

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