Vaccinations? - Page 2

[Ajbaby]

We haven't vaccinated ds since he was 13 months, and at 13 months he had all the vaccines a four year old entering preschool needed in IL. I wasn't too happy about that. This lo wont be vaccinated at all.

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by Ajbaby 

We haven't vaccinated ds since he was 13 months, and at 13 months he had all the vaccines a four year old entering preschool needed in IL. I wasn't too happy about that. This lo wont be vaccinated at all.
 

Where are you in central Illinois?  My family is relocating to the Urbana-Champaign area in about a month!  I just sent in all the preschool paperwork to CDL on the UI campus and had to write a letter explaining why we do not vaccinate.  I really had to get creative since we are not religious.  I'm still waiting to hear from them to see if it met with their approval.

[Ajbaby]

I'm in Peoria.
 

Originally Posted by Jaimee 

Where are you in central Illinois?  My family is relocating to the Urbana-Champaign area in about a month!  I just sent in all the preschool paperwork to CDL on the UI campus and had to write a letter explaining why we do not vaccinate.  I really had to get creative since we are not religious.  I'm still waiting to hear from them to see if it met with their approval.

[Jaimee]

Ah, you have the API group by you, huh?  That's about an hour out of U-C? 

[AnnieMaxwell]

Just wondering about this: my three year old girl will start preschool this Fall and doesn't have the Hep B vaccine.  She is using the toilet now and I worry about something (I know, gross but a possibility?) of like someone leaving some menstrual blood on toilet and my child who touches the seat and her own dody parts as she learns to go potty and also what if teacher gets like a papercut or cut on finger and then helps the children- any thoughts? thank you

[jbk21]

Can it spread this way?  From my understanding it would need to be more invasive contact....
 

Originally Posted by AnnieMaxwell 

Just wondering about this: my three year old girl will start preschool this Fall and doesn't have the Hep B vaccine.  She is using the toilet now and I worry about something (I know, gross but a possibility?) of like someone leaving some menstrual blood on toilet and my child who touches the seat and her own dody parts as she learns to go potty and also what if teacher gets like a papercut or cut on finger and then helps the children- any thoughts? thank you

[Abraisme]

I'm pretty sure that it needs to be fresh, blood-to-blood type exposure.  Just like you can't get HIV from a toilet seat because the virus dies as soon as it contacts air.  The people most at risk are drug users and people who have a lot of sexual partners.  I highly doubt that any child ever got it from a toilet..
 

Originally Posted by jbk21 

Can it spread this way?  From my understanding it would need to be more invasive contact....
 

[Jaimee]

From the CDC about Hep B transmission:

How is HBV transmitted?

HBV is transmitted through activities that involve percutaneous (i.e., puncture through the skin) or mucosal contact with infectious blood or body fluids (e.g., semen, saliva), including

• Sex with an infected partner
• Injection drug use that involves sharing needles, syringes, or drug-preparation equipment
• Birth to an infected mother
• Contact with blood or open sores of an infected person
• Needle sticks or sharp instrument exposures
• Sharing items such as razors or toothbrushes with an infected person

HBV is not spread through food or water, sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, hand holding, coughing, or sneezing.

How long does HBV survive outside the body?

HBV can survive outside the body at least 7 days and still be capable of causing infection.

[1love4ever]

Hey I havent read many of the other posts, but in response to the OP, I just wanted to say that I do not believe vaccines do much if any good.  I started getting DD vaccinated as a baby before I knew better and I always had such a terrible feeling about it.  She would always get a rash around the injection site and it swelled and bruised badly, and she would cry for most of the day.  I eventually learned that vaccines have not been proven safe or effective, they have very high levels of the neurotoxin aluminum in them, and they do still contain small amounts of mercury even though they are said to be preservative free.  They also have other cancer causing ingredients.   Here is a site I like http://www.nvic.org/ 

As far as pertussis goes, the vaccine is no longer effective(due to mutation), if it ever was at all.  Also, it only "protects" against one of the 2 causes of whooping cough.  There was an article on mothering.com about it awhile back but I dont remember what it was called.  What also concerns me are all of the kids who have serious reactions to the vaccines and are permanently damaged.  The numbers are higher than we know.

My final concern is that vaccine manufacturers are the only company's that you can NOT sue if you are injured by their products.  You can sue Graco if their stroller injures your baby, but you can not sue vaccine manufacturer if your child is injured by their DTaP(or any other) vaccine.   So really they have nothing to lose and no reason to make their vaccines safe.

I should also point out that the decline's in the diseases that vaccines are said to prevent occured before the introduction of the vaccines.  I have read that more cleanliness and better nutrition was what really helped, I'm not sure of other reasons, but these are some of them.

I will not be getting this baby vaccinated at all, and DD is not getting any more vaccinations either.  Some very good, thorough and non-biased reasearch would have to come out for me to even consider it! 

And the chicken pox vaccine?  Ridiculous!  Lol, what ever happened to naturally acquired immunity!?  Sorry but I laugh at parents who get the vaccine for their kids instead of just letting them get chicken pox. And I know several kids who have had the shot and still got chicken pox!  That just further proves to me how ineffective vaccines are.  :)

[AnnieMaxwell]

so according to this, then it is possible? although unlikely?

[Jaimee]

Annie, I think marginally possible, but extremely unlikely.  In the case of the paper cut situation, the cut would need to bleed enough to drip onto a surface or your child AND the blood would then need to get into your child via an open wound or mucus membrane like the mouth or eye before the teacher noticed and cleaned things up properly.  Not only does this situation seem quite unlikely, but the teacher would also have to be infected with the disease, which is also unlikely.  In the case of the toilet, what are the chances that your child is going to the bathroom on a toilet that a menstruating women is using?  Usually the kids use a different bathroom and those bathrooms are cleaned after every class.  So again you would have to have the unlikely scenario of a menstruating woman using a preschool potty, smearing blood on the toilet seat (and not cleaning it up), the woman being infected with the disease, and your child sufficiently rubbing her body parts in the blood and then on her mucus membranes.  Again, not too likely since at preschool the teachers are also very careful about children washing their hands afterward.

I personally would not worry. 

[birdhappy85]

Jaimee - Is it difficult to enroll children in school if they're not vaccinated? I've gotten mixed messages from people about this. Is religious reasoning the only "acceptable" reason according to the schools for not vaccinating? Public schools can't really turn your kids away because they aren't vaxed, can they? This all makes me nervous! But I don't want to vaccinate early on... maybe later in childhood but not as babies.

[Jaimee]

It can be complicated or quite easy.  It depends on your state laws and the paperwork you need to fill out.  For example, in Maryland, there was simply a form I had to print out and sign saying that we do not vaccinate.  Easy.  No issues.  Here in IL, I have to write a separate letter explaining my religious beliefs.  We are not religious.  Some institutions are real sticklers for the letter, too.  I've seen sample letters from other moms and they were DETAILED with quotes from scripture.  I was not comfortable doing that, so I came up with some flowery language about our spiritual beliefs, being natural and unmedicated, blah, blah.  Most of it I feel was pretty true, but I definitely embellished.  It's a tough call.  On one hand I don't like to lie and I don't think I should have to either.  But on the other hand, I'm going to do what I need to do in order to not vaccinate and get my kid into school.

You can find your state laws online pretty easily and if you have any trouble, let me know and/or post in the Finding Your Tribe or Vaccination fourms.  But I will say, the trick is to not vax at all or at least say you do not.  Selectively vaccinating is not usually tolerated b/c it would not likely fall into a religious belief (though it is possible since some vaxes are made in such a way as to conflict with religious beliefs while others do not).

[Abraisme]

In Oregon it's easy to send an un-vacc'd child to school.  There is some protocol, like my DS can't attend school for several weeks if there is a break-out of a vacc'd disease.  Other than that, I have to sign a form every year.  I've never had an issue.  My younger siblings are also unvacc'd  and attended public school in California without issue.
 

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

Jaimee - Is it difficult to enroll children in school if they're not vaccinated? I've gotten mixed messages from people about this. Is religious reasoning the only "acceptable" reason according to the schools for not vaccinating? Public schools can't really turn your kids away because they aren't vaxed, can they? This all makes me nervous! But I don't want to vaccinate early on... maybe later in childhood but not as babies.

[birdhappy85]

Oh okay, good to know. I'll look into Wisconsin's laws.

[Paigekitten]

DD1 is partially vaxed, DD2 has had none, and this baby will have none. I don't plan to get them any when they are older unless we are traveling or something like that. I suspect we did have whooping cough this year.  I thought we all had a cold, but then DD2 ( the only one of us who has never received any vaccines for it) had this cough that went ON and ON for three months, it was right when she weaned too, and my milk had already dried up and my colostrum wasn't in, so I couldn't even sneak breastmilk into her food or anything.  It was never serious enough that I felt she needed to go to a doctor though, but the progress of it fit pertussis exactly.  Everyone seems so scared of Pertussis, but I kind of wonder if that's because it SEEMS a lot more of a big deal because the mild cases are not being diagnosed.  JMO.