TF and type 1 diabetes in newly diagnosed 13 yo ds ??? - Page 3

[thedomesticdiva]

It amazes me the horrible things so many of you have said about my child.  You have NO IDEA what I have been through with my child and I pray that NO ONE ever speaks such horrible things over your children.  I BLESS YOU.  My child will LIVE and NOT DIE and declare the works of the LORD in the land of the LIVING and I remove every word curse spoken over him in the Name of JESUS.

I am giving him the insulin, but to go from NO MEDICAL intervention to needing has been stressful,  Every one who has posted horrible things to scare me, I KNOW - STOP it.  If you have nothing POSITIVE to add - go start a horrible, new thread.  I am a REAL PERSON with a REAL child who for some reason you think it is ok to use to promote your fear platform.

I am NOT restricting his carbs, but I do not believe the food pyramid is a viable option.

To those of you who have actually ANSWERED my QUESTION, thank you.

Please PM me if you have anything more POSITIVE to say because I refuse to read this any more.

Sara

[thedomesticdiva]

I forgot to add that it is ironic that I am being attacked when I want to feed my child, healthy nourishing food - not cupcakes and cheetos. 

[JTA Mom]

Originally Posted by thedomesticdiva 

I forgot to add that it is ironic that I am being attacked when I want to feed my child, healthy nourishing food - not cupcakes and cheetos. 

Where are people recommending cupcakes and cheetos?

I have read all of the replies, and except for a couple, most are reacting to your own direct quotes of "insulin is gross' and 'no way am I giving him 75 grams of carbs per meal'. In TF, eating 75 grms of healthy carbs is pretty easy per meal. Just add sprouted grains, high carb veggies (carrots, onions, etc) and a fruit at the end of it.

No where did anyone mention eating from the food pyramid. No where. People were reacting to a couple inflammatory and, honestly, dangerous statements. Saying you won't follow the recommended 75/meal directions from the doctors is dangerous when you are still figuring out how carbs, and more importantly, specific carbs (sprouted grains are different from fruit, which are different from veggies, which are different in different combos, etc). A poster here even told you NOT to use insulin yet.

Rather than seeing people attacking you, perhaps view it from them caring about your son. People here CARE about your son living WELL with Type I diabetes. That's why they are stating to 1) not listen to the poster talking about not using insulin, and 2) that that carb level is easily reachable eating TF.

Ami

[serenbat]

The modern medical diet (along with "gross" insulin) is the only thing that has kept diabetics alive.

what diet is this? American? 

 ?

[Alenushka]

Please, do not get offended. You need to take basic nutrition course right away. It will help you a lot. Also, get book on diabetes. Discuss complex carbs with you provider things like buckwheat and qinoa.

Raw milk, kefir etc...all have sugar. Not glucose or fructose but lactose. Either way, the blood sugar goes up. Whatever it is raw or not is irrelevant.

Type I means that pancreas is not working. No amount of sprouts will compensate for the fact that this organ is not making insulin. Insulin is not gross. Insulin is like a  password that allows sugars into the cell. Then cell can make energy. We can;t live without insulin. If body is not making it and the patient is not getting it, the patients will die.

[Intoit]

Originally Posted by thedomesticdiva 

I am not planning on taking my son off of the insulin.  I do not believe, however, that 75 carbs a meal and lots of insulin is healthy.  For 4 years, I have given him food made by GOD, simple and nourishing.  That still makes sense to me.  Thanks for your concern. 

We drink raw, grass-fed Jersey milk and lots of kefir.  There is really no need for more debate about this :)

Bubblingbrooks, we do the cod liver oil but I think I might up his dosage.  From the studies I have seen, I wish we had started sooner.

If anyone could please offer any more advice about feeding him TF, I would greatly appreciate it.  Specifically I was interested in lowering the carbs, and how to treat the higher fat for carb calculations.

Thanks again.

I agree that 75 carbs per meal is not healthy. I don't think that is even healthy for those with a normal functioning pancreas. Simply put, any carb, simple or complex, "natural" or not, when consumed gets pumped out into the bloodstream as glucose. Some of it gets burned immediately, it's one way the body protects itself from being ravaged by high bg.That's why we burn carbs for energy, otherwise we would succumb to the eventual damages of constant hbg, it's not because we need to eat carbs. Secondly, whatever glucose cannot be immediately used is transported into storage by insulin. So the more carbs consumed, the more insulin will be needed. The less consumed, the less glucose pumped into the bloodstream, the less insulin is needed.

I strongly recommend the book  Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution: The Complete Guide to Achieving Normal Blood Sugars. The author is a T1 diabetic and has reversed his diabetic complications and prevented new ones from developing. As a parent it must be very frightening for your child to be diagnosed with T1. The more information you have the better you will be able to deal with making adjustments and enable your son to have a normal healthy life.

[Alenushka]

It interesting that when I was in nursing school in Russia, patient with diabetes were put on high protein diet. I do not know if it is still practiced there, or  if it worked .

[BubblingBrooks]

Originally Posted by swede 

The modern medical diet (along with "gross" insulin) is the only thing that has kept diabetics alive.

The OP realizes this, but she is looking for a way for her son to more then just stay alive, and she is not withholding insulin, as stated further down the thread.
She is looking for a way for her son to thrive on insulin and TF. Which is exactly what we practice in our home. Much to the shock of doctors recently during a checkup.

[serenbat]

I understand what the OP wants but I don't know what this means -  modern medical diet??

I never heard of this and those that I know with Type 1 never heard of this either--does it mean the SAD? or was something else ment by this?

[swede]

What I meant was, before the last 100 years (with the advent of insulin) it didn't matter what  a diabetic ate - they died.  And even before TF came into vogue, people with Type 1 were living longer lives, eating typical american fare, and using insulin.  I have Type 1.  I eat sort of TF - but mostly I just eat whole foods - as LLL says, a variety of foods in as close to their natural state as possible.  No processed stuff, grass fed beef, chicken, vegetables, fruits, some grains (including unsoaked wheat and oats). I do think the newly diagnosed should follow the recommendations of the doctor.  Type 1 diabetes is not a lifestyle disease.  Modern medicine is what has made living with diabetes possible.  

[BubblingBrooks]

Originally Posted by serenbat 

I understand what the OP wants but I don't know what this means -  modern medical diet??

I never heard of this and those that I know with Type 1 never heard of this either--does it mean the SAD? or was something else ment by this?

I wrote that wrong. The modern rec. diet for diabetics. Its high carb, high grain, etc. requiring high insulin dosage. leading to further issues.

[serenbat]

The modern rec. diet for diabetics. Its high carb, high grain, etc. requiring high insulin dosage.

I do know that-

the term "modern medical diet" I had never heard  

[swede]

Originally Posted by BubblingBrooks 

Originally Posted by serenbat 

I understand what the OP wants but I don't know what this means -  modern medical diet??

I never heard of this and those that I know with Type 1 never heard of this either--does it mean the SAD? or was something else ment by this?

I wrote that wrong. The modern rec. diet for diabetics. Its high carb, high grain, etc. requiring high insulin dosage. leading to further issues.

growing kids need lots of carbs.

[BubblingBrooks]

Originally Posted by serenbat 

I do know that-

the term "modern medical diet" I had never heard  

Modern, as in today, rec diet for diabetics. Its not at all hard to understand.

Bowing out as well, since this thread has become a train wreck.

[Intoit]

Originally Posted by swede 

growing kids need lots of carbs.

Why is that? Carbohydrates do not provide any nutrition that cannot be found in nutrient dense food sources. All human bodies need glucose, but to say that glucose must come from dietary carbohydrate is simply incorrect. The liver can produce all the glucose required by the body from protein and fat (glycerol molecules, actually). This process is known as gluconeogenesis.

The consumption of dietary carbohydrate provides excess glucose to the human body. Excess glucose in the bloodstream will literally poison the body over time, so the body must reduce the elevated levels of glucose. The first way to get them out of the blood is to burn them for energy. That is where the misconception of "needing carbs as a primary energy source" comes from. The excess that is left over must then be moved into storage (fat cells), this is accomplished by the release of insulin. Excess consumption of dietary carbohydrate stimulates excess production of insulin. Over time, this puts a lot of stress on the pancreas, and eventually the amount of insulin secreted in proportion to blood glucose becomes less effective, causing more insulin to be pumped out to do the same work (insulin resistance). This can go on for years until the pancreas declines and ceases to function, developing into full blown insulin dependent T2 diabetes.

By raising kids on a diet loaded in carbs (like the traditional SAD), we are setting them up for a future of metabolic disorders. It's not our fault entirely, it's what our governments have been teaching us for the last several decades. Looking at it from a TF standpoint, in most cultures still living traditionally without the high carb fare that we relish in our modern society, cardiovascular disease and metabolic disorders such as diabetes and obesity are unheard of. FWIW, humans did not evolve on grains and sugars, but we are a very hardy creature that can survive many abuses. Improper nourishment prevents us from thriving and causes slow physical degeneration.

I am in no way launching an attack on the PP, just taking an opportunity to educate 

[serenbat]

Modern, as in today, rec diet for diabetics. Its not at all hard to understand.

snide and unrelated to what I had asked- I had no way of knowing what Swede was referring to

it should be notes that there are other diets beside the standard "American" diabetic approach (other cultures do different diets) but the OP only asked about TF style (what it means on here)

Edited by serenbat - 6/20/11 at 2:31pm

[swede]

Originally Posted by serenbat 

snide and unrelated to what I had asked- I had no way of knowing what Swede was referring to

it should be notes that there are other diets beside the standard "American" diabetic approach (other cultures do different diets) but the OP only asked about TF style (what it means on here)

How are Type 1 Diabetics doing in those other countries?

[serenbat]

I PMed you

[swede]

Originally Posted by serenbat 

I PMed you

Thanks.  I saw that.  But how are Type 1 Diabetics doing other places? I am curious. 

[serenbat]

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