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Naomi Aldort claimed to have had a PhD and countless people all over the Internet have tried to find out where she got it to no avail. She never disclosed where she got it and finally, she has dropped that claim from her own web site. She justified charging people $150 an hour under the claim that she had qualifications she does not have. Claiming a doctorate you do not have is a very serious form of fraud.




Oh, I didn't know anything about that. Yes, that would be fraud. However, I don't see how it makes the ideas in her book unworthy. You don't need a PhD to have good ideas on different ways of approaching situations, especially if the approaches result in more peace.



Well, Naomi Aldort felt the need to claim a PhD to sell her book and charge people hundreds of dollars for her advice.

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 I'm not certain that speculating about the causation of a specific mother & child's death is something I care to dignify though.
 


There's nothing speculative about it, tho.

 

They died of AIDS.

post #23 of 33
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There's nothing speculative about it, tho.

 

They died of AIDS.




Exactly. Since they were held up as a triumph of alternative medicine, it's important that the truth be shared in case anyone believes they should follow their example.

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Oh, I didn't know anything about that. Yes, that would be fraud. However, I don't see how it makes the ideas in her book unworthy. You don't need a PhD to have good ideas on different ways of approaching situations, especially if the approaches result in more peace.

 

 

Well her book is a horrible mishmash of half formulated ideas and vague mumbojumbo but I suppose to be fair that is my opinion. However, why would you fork over a dime to someone who consciously lied about their education, and when asked to participate here in the Ask the expert forums used it as her own personal money machine?

 

My questions about AIDS denialism is a fair one. I never knew about Peggy O'Mara's AIDS stuff until the bleach cures AIDS thread. I dug deeper and did not like what I found.


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I'm sure there are lots of interesting threads in Health & Healing about a causal relationship between HIV & AIDS. I'd love to see an updated thread in there detailing peer reviewed research on the subject actually since it's been a long time since I've reviewed any of that information. I'm not certain that speculating about the causation of a specific mother & child's death is something I care to dignify though.

I certainly cannot speak to whether Mothering has an official stance on the issue, but it seems to me that since "Mothering.com is the website of natural family living and advocates natural solutions to parenting challenges. We host discussion of ... alternative and complementary home remedies, informed consent and many other topics from a natural point of view," a patient's right to self determination would be supported, regardless of the specific diagnosis. Or I guess you just meant you were wondering how the MDC membership in general felt about the "movement"?


I think Mothering does have an official stance, considering that Peggy O'Mara is a board member of Maggiore's AIDS denialist organization, Alive and Well. Oh, the irony. http://www.aliveandwell.org/

 

On an unrelated note, I was extremely disappointed to learn that Gavin de Becker (author of The Gift of Fear) is also on the board shy.gif

 

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Just out of curiosity do you guys think that you are really being slick or something and that it's not blatantly obvious that this is just a continuation of the drama from the previous threads? Because this tactic is nothing new. Those of us that have been around a long time have seen it all play out before. You need new material really. Bringing up an article from almost 15 years ago so you get back on the smear campaign is really childish. And it isn't going to get you anything in the long run. Unless your only motivation is to be the topic of conversation on MDC whiner boards. 

 

 

 

 

 

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There's nothing speculative about it, tho.

 

They died of AIDS.


The speculation would be on my part since I am not familiar with all the details of the situation. In any case, criticism of a patient's right to self determination is not something I care to dignify.
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Just out of curiosity do you guys think that you are really being slick or something and that it's not blatantly obvious that this is just a continuation of the drama from the previous threads? Because this tactic is nothing new. Those of us that have been around a long time have seen it all play out before. You need new material really. Bringing up an article from almost 15 years ago so you get back on the smear campaign is really childish. And it isn't going to get you anything in the long run. Unless your only motivation is to be the topic of conversation on MDC whiner boards. 

 

 

 

 

 


Did Mothering/Peggy change her/their/its mind about AIDS denialism 15 years ago?

 

And can you link me to any threads where this issue has "played out" before here?

 

post #29 of 33

I've never heard of this before this thread, so I am obviously no expert on the case. I totally believe that adults have the right to decide on what treatments they do or do not want, but I think it is really sad if medical care was denied to a baby. Am I understanding that correctly? And Mothering supported that? I would've thought a parent would be court ordered to treat the baby. It seems like I am totally lost in threads all over today though!

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There's nothing speculative about it, tho.

 

They died of AIDS.




The speculation would be on my part since I am not familiar with all the details of the situation. In any case, criticism of a patient's right to self determination is not something I care to dignify.


I'm all about patient autonomy, too. But that's not what's being criticized. It's Mothering's advocacy of HIV/AIDS denialism that's being criticized.

post #31 of 33
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Just out of curiosity do you guys think that you are really being slick or something and that it's not blatantly obvious that this is just a continuation of the drama from the previous threads? Because this tactic is nothing new. Those of us that have been around a long time have seen it all play out before. You need new material really. Bringing up an article from almost 15 years ago so you get back on the smear campaign is really childish. And it isn't going to get you anything in the long run. Unless your only motivation is to be the topic of conversation on MDC whiner boards. 

 

 

 

 

 



And this is about the 15th time I have seen you looking for an opinion/question/thread to criticize.  Are you an MDC employee or something?  Do you have that big a problem with dissenting opinions or people questioning what you (and MDC OFFICIAL, apparently) believe?  Is it somehow detrimental to you for people to get their concerns addressed?  Which, it seems to me, just isn't happening, in regards to any concern.  I still say that if you can't stay on topic (which is MDC's endorsement of AIDS denialism, not "smear campaigns," in case that isn't clear), perhaps you shouldn't say anything at all.  Or, as Naomi Aldort put it, "please start a new thread."

 

post #32 of 33
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Did Mothering/Peggy change her/their/its mind about AIDS denialism 15 years ago?

 

And can you link me to any threads where this issue has "played out" before here?

 

 

I've read a couple of older threads on this, and the more recent "Cure for AIDS" thread. But none of them answered this particular question. (Question being, Mothering's stance on AIDS). Though to be fair, I don't think I've finished any of those threads because the idiocy and ignorance of HIV/AIDS the denialists/curists have is at best nauseating. 
 

 

post #33 of 33

While this could be a great discussion if it were posted out of sincerity, it was started by and is being dramatized by Trolls whose main goal is an attempt to continue the smear campaign they are trying to build against Mothering and this community. So we're not doing this.

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