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Is something wrong with my latch?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
My DS is not quite 2 weeks old. Sometimes he seems very frustrated and frantically waves his open mouth right near my nipple, but he doesn't latch on. I'm thinking "it's right THERE!!!" and he just gets upset and won't latch on and his breathing gets very fast. He had a fairly prominent tongue tie that was clipped at 4 days old by our crunchy ped, so maybe he is recovering from that still?

Any ideas mamas? I hate to see my little one get so stressed out.
post #2 of 11

Is your nipple at all flat or inverted?  I had a tough time with my oldest with flat nipples.  I didn't think it was an issue, but he did the same thing.  I ended up having to use a nipple shield to latch him, but without being present, it's hard to tell exactly what's happening in your situation.  Do you have a trusted LLL leader nearby that you can contact?

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
No, I don't think so. The only thing I can think of is maybe I have too much milk and he can't get his mouth around it? redface.gif

No, to the LLL question. I am not all that comfortable there unfortunately. I suppose I could go and try again, but they don't meet until almost the end of July.
post #4 of 11

Have you tried varying your positions?  I know in the beginning months, my kids always do best with the football hold.  Another thing to consider is the new position LLL has introduced and is pushing for.  Let me find it and link.

 

Laid-back position for breastfeeding!  Basically, you recline backwards and lay baby facing you on your tummy down the length of your belly towards your hips.  They have discovered that babies get a better latch that way.  Might be worth a shot!  That and a football hold.

 

ETA:  If you are having a lot of supply, this might help too, because gravity will work with you.

 

And another link!

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm terrible at the football hold. I try side lying at night but end up (uncomfortably) propped up on my elbow, because he seems to roll into me too much, or when he's on his side, my nipple is above his face, if that makes sense. I asked the LC in the hospital and she helped me there, but at home I feel totally inept again. Maybe my bed is not firm enough.

I will totally try the laid back approach...I hope it really is as easy as it sounds! Thanks!
post #6 of 11

It is possible that your bed isn't just right.  For my babies, we've always curled around each other.  I kind of get them into a ballish shape, tightly against my belly so they can't fall down.  You do want the nipple upwards so they have to *slightly* reach for it.  I really wish I could help you more!!  Do you have a boppy pillow to use for the football hold?  Maybe try more pillows underneath for support.

 

I hope you guys are able to get some support!  hug.gif  It is so hard adjusting to breastfeeding a new baby, even when you've already nursed.  Each baby nurses so differently.  Don't give up, mama!!  Do you have a copy of The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding?  Check out your library, if you don't.  It really does have some great info in it.

post #7 of 11

I had to learn to flatten out my elbow and lower myself after latching my son in side-lying, I never can get him on without propping myself on my elbow, and he's 9 months old! Try having a pillow near your head and use the elbow prop arm to drag it under your head, then lay your arm down. Also, sometimes my nipples tend to point downward toward the bed in side-lying and I have to lift my whole boob and resettle it before he can latch.

post #8 of 11

That brings up a good question, Erin77.  Beauchamp, are you cradling baby while doing the side-lying?  I have never been able to get a good fit while side-lying and holding baby.  I literally have to have my arm out of the way and have him lying flat on the bed against me, no arm involved.  Does that make sense?

post #9 of 11

Every mama is different and it's virtually impossible to give accurate advice without seeing you and your babe but I can tell you what I suggest reading your question.  I personally think the cross cradle position is an excellent position for beginning mothers because it really helps offer an ability to really manipulate your breast and bring your baby into you so you can work on getting a deep latch.  Just from what you described, I would suggest being a bit more firm when you bring your baby to the breast.  Sometimes little ones are kind of wobbly and bob around  trying to figure it out so it may take you bringing your babe into your breast with a bit more confidence.  I love the laid back position, which is another suggestion to try.  I would suggest making an appt with and IBCLC if you have one around.  They may have one at the hospital in your area and often, they have support classes where they offer free breastfeeding support for new moms. 

 

As for the ops suggestions, I totally agree with most of the recommendations but I would be wary to use a nipple shield without oversight by a health care practitioner.  Generally, they can lead to more problems, such as low weight gain, etc., and so I would wait to discuss that further with an LC.

 

Good Luck Mama!!! I know it can be frustrating when they just wont go on..errrr

post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Thandiwe View Post

That brings up a good question, Erin77.  Beauchamp, are you cradling baby while doing the side-lying?  I have never been able to get a good fit while side-lying and holding baby.  I literally have to have my arm out of the way and have him lying flat on the bed against me, no arm involved.  Does that make sense?


No, he's directly on the bed. It's always seemed like if I use my arm to hold him that's just one more thing that I can mess up, or make him just not comfy, YK? redface.gif When he's on the Brest Friend pillow or the Boppy he's also directly on the pillow, not in my arms.
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Originally Posted by goodygumdrops View Post

Every mama is different and it's virtually impossible to give accurate advice without seeing you and your babe but I can tell you what I suggest reading your question.  I personally think the cross cradle position is an excellent position for beginning mothers because it really helps offer an ability to really manipulate your breast and bring your baby into you so you can work on getting a deep latch.  Just from what you described, I would suggest being a bit more firm when you bring your baby to the breast.  Sometimes little ones are kind of wobbly and bob around  trying to figure it out so it may take you bringing your babe into your breast with a bit more confidence.  I love the laid back position, which is another suggestion to try.  I would suggest making an appt with and IBCLC if you have one around.  They may have one at the hospital in your area and often, they have support classes where they offer free breastfeeding support for new moms. 

 

As for the ops suggestions, I totally agree with most of the recommendations but I would be wary to use a nipple shield without oversight by a health care practitioner.  Generally, they can lead to more problems, such as low weight gain, etc., and so I would wait to discuss that further with an LC.

 

Good Luck Mama!!! I know it can be frustrating when they just wont go on..errrr


I tried the laid back positioning a few times. Once it seemed to work, but he was sort of slumped over and I was holding him up on my arm, if that makes sense. All of the other times, his face falls down into my breast and his nose and face get completely covered, which frustrates us both. I can't see how to be "laid back" and still have his head up enough. headscratch.gif I wish I could, it sounds comfy.



I think he has a real issue with my let down. I've been letting some of the forceful let down spray into a prefold, and compressing a little to speed things up, and he always screams his little head off (poor thing) while this is happening. I'm so frustrated with this frantic latching business! He's still doing it, so I don't *think* it's related to the tongue tie clipping, since that happened at 4 days old and now he's 3 weeks. (Where does the time go?!?) There are many times he seems to want to comfort nurse but doesn't want milk. Sometimes he's accepted a paci and other times he SCREAMS and spits it out. My feelings about the paci are so mixed up. I didn't want to use one EVER with him, and then I thought maybe at 6-8 weeks just for the car and possibly to sleep, or when my 2yo needed me, and now he takes it at times and some times it's the ONLY thing that works, but other times he seems to hate it. I'm torn between meeting his need and my feelings about not wanting to use one. Although I'm not even certain that the paci IS meeting his need. Maybe some times. But then WHAT THE HECK is the need that I can't figure out, YK? I feel SO INEPT. I should be able to figure out what my sweet boy needs so he can calm down and sleep. greensad.gif I feel like a failure.

Sometimes when he is frantically "searching" I will support my breast and be a bit more firm with helping him latch, and he CHOMPS down and it seems like that's what he wants, only to pull off again crying. greensad.gif This happens when I have milk and when there is very little there, so I just don't know. I'm so frustrated and so tired.
post #11 of 11

just want to say that this is exactly what my lo was doing at 2-5 weeks.  he is now 6 weeks and occasionally still does this.  now it's more popping off and on which i think is a learned behavior that is lingering after our rough start.  he still breaks out into a sweat and pants through a couple of feedings a day.  there are several factors that i feel came into play with his "frantic" latching.

-reflux--he would scream when i tilted him down into a feeding position.  he had lots of other 'silent symptoms' like coughing, excessive swallowing, gurgly cry.  he is now on zantac which i'm not happy about, but it has seemed to help to a certain extent. also i tried the "laid back latch" only i was almost sitting up so that he would also be as upright as possible.  basically i had him straddling my thigh, and i would lean back in a glider and sort of gently guide his mouth to my nipple.  didn't always work, though.  i have to say that most of the upright holds that worked well were not very comfortable at all, but when they worked, i just held it as long as i could because he was finally eating peacefully.

 

-needing to burp--all that frantic panting, searching, and popping off and on causes my ds to swallow lots of air. i try to pull him up to burp him as soon as i see him start the open mouth head bobbing.  sometimes it works, sometimes no.

 

-forceful let down--like you i try to pop him off and express into a prefold until it slows down.  i also hold him so that his body is tilted slightly away from mine so there is a bit of a twist in his neck.  i haven't had any success with the "cigarette hold" on my nipple.  i just don't think that my breast is made for that solution, but maybe yours is.  the let down also leads to more air swallowed and the need for more burping. 

 

-sometimes he just wants to suck--i'm a speech language therapist.  pacifiers were not part of my plan! and of course i read all the lll stuff about how pacis can trick a baby out of a much needed meal and mess with your supply.  well, i figured out that if i offered my ds a meal when all he wanted to do was suck on something, he flipped his sh**.  i've had to come to peace with the paci.

 

i think 2 things have really made things better. 1. as frustrating as it is, is just plain time.  he is getting better at feeding.  his system is getting more organized, and he is becoming less fussy. 2. is my ability to just give up for a little while.  i was so concerned that he was going to miss a meal that i would get stressed and it would transfer to him and everything was just effed up and we were both wailing.  i learned to stay calm, stop trying to feed him if he was becoming frantic, give him a pacifier, swaddle and soothe him, and then try again next time.  he's growing and developing well.  my milk supply is overly abundant.  it's ok.

 

i hope that things settle down for you two soon.  if none of this helps, at least know that i feel you.  i'm still frustrated sometimes and tired all the time, but things have been gradually getting better, and they will for you, too. whatever you are doing, you are doing a great job. 

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